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Kj Jefferson...commits to UCF

Memnon said:
He's a solid dual threat QB, limited arm talent but is a big bodied physical bruiser as a runner.

I'm not sure he'd necessarily be an elevating factor; if we used him how Kendal Briles used him then we might have something. But I would suspect the Offense would remain fairly conservative with KJ because he leaves a lot to be desired as a passer in terms of making full field reads.

He'd be a QB that Mario loves, similar to what he had with Anthony Brown, he would help out the run game a lot, so if we're leaning into being a run heavy Offense he's a great fit.

But if we're looking for a QB that can put the team on his back & lead us to a 10+ win season & carry the Offense, I'm not so sure he's capable of that.

I would imagine he's a take if we miss on other options.
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this. I agree fully,

KJ is a great runner. No question about that. And by all accounts, is a good teammate and a good fit culture wise.

However, if we end up with KJ, instead of one of Ward/Howard, I will make a prediction:

IF he's healthy and had a full spring, (and that's a big IF), .... Emory is your starter opening day 2024.

Emory is a much more natural passer than KJ, and at the end of the day, when you have the OL we have and the RB room we will put together, you pick the heady guy who can sling the rock over the athlete who doesn't have the same level of arm talent. If you could overcome passing deficiencies with great size and athleticism, then Jacurri would have been your starter at some point this year.

"anyway, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
 
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RedSquare said:
this. I agree fully,

KJ is a great runner. No question about that. And by all accounts, is a good teammate and a good fit culture wise.

However, if we end up with KJ, instead of one of Ward/Howard, I will make a prediction:

IF he's healthy and had a full spring, (and that's a big IF), .... Emory is your starter opening day 2024.

Emory is a much more natural passer than KJ, and at the end of the day, when you have the OL we have and the RB room we will put together, you pick the heady guy who can sling the rock over the athlete who doesn't have the same level of arm talent.

"anyway, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
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I’d bet every penny I have that scenario would not end up with Emory starting on opening day.
 
MikeCanes said:
I’d bet every penny I have that scenario would not end up with Emory starting on opening day.
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maybe. but that's why it's a "prediction," and not a "bet." ... and the starter will be the one that wins the job in an open competition. I'm not convinced that KJ beats out Emory. But it's a moot point, since I think we don't end up with KJ and Emory may not be ready for spring.
 
Memnon said:
He's a solid dual threat QB, limited arm talent but is a big bodied physical bruiser as a runner.

I'm not sure he'd necessarily be an elevating factor; if we used him how Kendal Briles used him then we might have something. But I would suspect the Offense would remain fairly conservative with KJ because he leaves a lot to be desired as a passer in terms of making full field reads.

He'd be a QB that Mario loves, similar to what he had with Anthony Brown, he would help out the run game a lot, so if we're leaning into being a run heavy Offense he's a great fit.

But if we're looking for a QB that can put the team on his back & lead us to a 10+ win season & carry the Offense, I'm not so sure he's capable of that.

I would imagine he's a take if we miss on other options.
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Yep.

He’d be a read-option battering ram.

The passing game would struggle because he isn’t going to see what the **** is going on through the bunched up mess we run and lack of motion to expose the defense.

The offense would probably have a pretty decent down to down efficiency rating.

Poor explosive rating, especially in the passing game.

And a ton of close, coin flip games because we’ve bled the clock and turned everything into a one possession game. And then it’s just pure luck how those turn out.

Basically Mario’s offense every year he’s been a coach.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
KJ Jefferson in 2021 and 2022 was actually in a very similar situation as he'd be here.

Playing for an OL centered head coach, who has hired a coach somewhat unorthodox to what he knows to call his offense.

Pittman hiring Briles and Mario hiring Dawson.

In those 2 years:

2021 -- KJ was 9th in the country in passer rating. Better than Jordan Travis, Will Levis, Tyler Van Dyke, Sam Howell, Desmond Ridder, Aidan O'Connell, and Kenny Pickett. That's the 2 state QBs plus 5 NFL starters.
-- 9th in the country in yards per attempt. That's better than Bryce Young, Matt Corral, and all the guys I mentioned above. Only names above him include Stroud, Bennett, Hooker, Caleb Williams
-- 15th in the country in completion percentage. Again better than Bryce Young, Pickett, Levis, etc
-- He also ran for 664 yards, which is over 50 per game, with 6 TDs. Accounted for 27 TDs overall with only 4 INTs in 13 games. In the SEC West.

2022 -- KJ was 6th in the country in passer rating. Better than Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, Jordan Travis, Max Duggan, Sam Hartman, and Stetson Bennett.
-- 20th in the country in yards per attempt. Better than McCarthy, DTR, Michael Penix Jr, Will Levis, etc
-- 8th in the country in completion percentage. Better than Jayden Daniels, Clayton Tune, and CJ Stroud
-- He also ran for 640 yards, which is over 58 per game, with 9 TDs. Accounted for 31 TDs with only 4 INTs in 10 games. In the SEC West.

In 2023, Briles moved on to TCU, and Arkansas hired a guy named Daniel Enos. I've never heard of him, but apparently he's not the best coordinator known to man. Who knew? Jefferson's numbers sunk, and he got hurt multiple times.

Make no mistake, this kid is a good football player. No, he's not an NFL passer. But he can ABSOLUTELY get the job done in this scheme, with this OL, this defense, and these weapons. No doubt about it.

And this is probably my single favorite thing about him and why I feel he'd be successful here:

Everybody thinks he sucks.

I LOVE that. The average person who gives their opinion and is really vocal about this stuff went to pre-first grade. If the average person hates him, that means he's actually really good. Because the average person is a ******* moron. (PS you’re entitled to not think he’s great. He’s in the portal. Very few kids there are great. They almost always have warts. I just think the majority of people who are yelling from the rooftops that he sucks didn’t actually watch him play. If you did and you’ve studied him and you say he’s useless, consider your opinion respected. I disagree.)

If we miss on Ward, sign me up for this kid. He would excel in this offense. He's basically what we all want Jacurri Brown to be. Big, mobile, accurate, experienced, tough, can run and throw, and he's 24 years old. We need some adults in that room. The last one we had was basically a mute. Someone who can come in and show Emory and Judd how to work, and also, maybe bringing this guy in helps keep Jacurri. Who better to continue to learn under than a **** carbon copy of the player you're trying to be?

He's been successful, and most adult helmet wearers tell me he stinks. Sign me up.
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You don’t need to sell me bro. I’m all in.
 
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RedSquare said:
this. I agree fully,

KJ is a great runner. No question about that. And by all accounts, is a good teammate and a good fit culture wise.

However, if we end up with KJ, instead of one of Ward/Howard, I will make a prediction:

IF he's healthy and had a full spring, (and that's a big IF), .... Emory is your starter opening day 2024.

Emory is a much more natural passer than KJ, and at the end of the day, when you have the OL we have and the RB room we will put together, you pick the heady guy who can sling the rock over the athlete who doesn't have the same level of arm talent. If you could overcome passing deficiencies with great size and athleticism, then Jacurri would have been your starter at some point this year.

"anyway, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
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@RedSquare if we aren't able to get Ward/Howard, do you a Transfer QB that you would prefer over the others?
 
This is not brilliance or anything anybody else here hasn't seen.The biggest difference between two one read QB's. One is a Dual Threat and the other a pocket passer. One can do something with the ball when he is about to be sacked or injured.

TVD got injured the last 2 seasons and had a tendency to lock on to his primary WR, sometimes he couldn't even unlock from Restrepo. TVD had all the time in the world this season and still stayed locked on too much. TVD even loved to throw into double and triple coverage and loved to force the ball into coverage. All three of the guys being recruited can improvise, instead of getting sacked or injured. What I am getting at is all three QB's had porous OL's and all three are obvious upgrades over TVD. Nobdy should really be crapping on KJ either with a 64% completion percentage with Dan ***** as his OC. He had 68% prior to *****. Dawson made Clayton Tune look like a borderline junnernaut. Think about it. That is if Mario will leave Dawson TF alone!
 
Take based on his “I’m out this *****” portal announcement alone. Also a short fat powerful dude playing qb would be objectively fun, throwing mechanics be damned.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Mario doesn’t have an offense. He hired an offensive coordinator named Shannon Dawson. Coach Dawson runs the offense.
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Dude you are so clueless. Didn’t you see last season right before every bad play call Mario approached Dawson and demand he call Mario’s play? The successful plays Dawson called.
 
RedSquare said:
this. I agree fully,

KJ is a great runner. No question about that. And by all accounts, is a good teammate and a good fit culture wise.

However, if we end up with KJ, instead of one of Ward/Howard, I will make a prediction:

IF he's healthy and had a full spring, (and that's a big IF), .... Emory is your starter opening day 2024.

Emory is a much more natural passer than KJ, and at the end of the day, when you have the OL we have and the RB room we will put together, you pick the heady guy who can sling the rock over the athlete who doesn't have the same level of arm talent. If you could overcome passing deficiencies with great size and athleticism, then Jacurri would have been your starter at some point this year.

"anyway, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
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Galactically stupid opinion. You’re entitled to it but straight buffoonery.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
KJ Jefferson in 2021 and 2022 was actually in a very similar situation as he'd be here.

Playing for an OL centered head coach, who has hired a coach somewhat unorthodox to what he knows to call his offense.

Pittman hiring Briles and Mario hiring Dawson.

In those 2 years:

2021 -- KJ was 9th in the country in passer rating. Better than Jordan Travis, Will Levis, Tyler Van Dyke, Sam Howell, Desmond Ridder, Aidan O'Connell, and Kenny Pickett. That's the 2 state QBs plus 5 NFL starters.
-- 9th in the country in yards per attempt. That's better than Bryce Young, Matt Corral, and all the guys I mentioned above. Only names above him include Stroud, Bennett, Hooker, Caleb Williams
-- 15th in the country in completion percentage. Again better than Bryce Young, Pickett, Levis, etc
-- He also ran for 664 yards, which is over 50 per game, with 6 TDs. Accounted for 27 TDs overall with only 4 INTs in 13 games. In the SEC West.

2022 -- KJ was 6th in the country in passer rating. Better than Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, Jordan Travis, Max Duggan, Sam Hartman, and Stetson Bennett.
-- 20th in the country in yards per attempt. Better than McCarthy, DTR, Michael Penix Jr, Will Levis, etc
-- 8th in the country in completion percentage. Better than Jayden Daniels, Clayton Tune, and CJ Stroud
-- He also ran for 640 yards, which is over 58 per game, with 9 TDs. Accounted for 31 TDs with only 4 INTs in 10 games. In the SEC West.

In 2023, Briles moved on to TCU, and Arkansas hired a guy named Daniel Enos. I've never heard of him, but apparently he's not the best coordinator known to man. Who knew? Jefferson's numbers sunk, and he got hurt multiple times.

Make no mistake, this kid is a good football player. No, he's not an NFL passer. But he can ABSOLUTELY get the job done in this scheme, with this OL, this defense, and these weapons. No doubt about it.

And this is probably my single favorite thing about him and why I feel he'd be successful here:

Everybody thinks he sucks.

I LOVE that. The average person who gives their opinion and is really vocal about this stuff went to pre-first grade. If the average person hates him, that means he's actually really good. Because the average person is a ******* moron. (PS you’re entitled to not think he’s great. He’s in the portal. Very few kids there are great. They almost always have warts. I just think the majority of people who are yelling from the rooftops that he sucks didn’t actually watch him play. If you did and you’ve studied him and you say he’s useless, consider your opinion respected. I disagree.)

If we miss on Ward, sign me up for this kid. He would excel in this offense. He's basically what we all want Jacurri Brown to be. Big, mobile, accurate, experienced, tough, can run and throw, and he's 24 years old. We need some adults in that room. The last one we had was basically a mute. Someone who can come in and show Emory and Judd how to work, and also, maybe bringing this guy in helps keep Jacurri. Who better to continue to learn under than a **** carbon copy of the player you're trying to be?

He's been successful, and most adult helmet wearers tell me he stinks. Sign me up.
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Excellence! 🎯
 
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