Kalen Deboer



Right on time, your incel personality chose to take center stage.

For a mopey ****head such as yourself, who constantly chooses to beat on the "good recruiter is not the same as a good coach" drum, you have strangely decided to put all your chips on "#3 recruiting class" as some sort of rapid referendum on Kalen DeBoer.

Meanwhile, Alabama is 8-2 with a loss to Vanderbilt and questions as to whether DeBoer is losing his current roster. And, hey, DeBoer might purge the old guys like Neon Deion does, but that still means we need to see what he does when he gets his own guys in place.

Boy, that huge Alabama win over Mercer has you gassed up. Are you a CFP Committee member?
 
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If DeBoer beats Oklahoma and our crush, Hugh, their last game, they finish 10-2 in his first season.

After 10 games with a qb who can barely throw (but run really well) they are averaging a full touchdown more per game so far in comparison to last year, and their defense ppg allowed has sightly improved 1 ppg. Both units (scoring ppg) are in the top 10 in the country this year.

Did he inherit Sabans players and infrastructure ? Sure. But did he inherit losing 10 draft picks, 31 scholarship losses to the portal, and losing 10 total dbs ? Yep.

The guy lost NEARLY 50% of the magical Saban roster in year 1 and is 8-2 with the strong possibility of being 10-2. He’s doing this with basically a top 5/10 overall SOS.

Auburn has played better later in their season relative to the beginning (the dynamic between Freeze and DeBoer remains super interesting) and an upset could lessen the impact of these basic points. But if the regular season holds out like it should (10-2) with nearly half the roster gone from last year and a top 10 SOS it’s still super impressive as a year 1 coach with the insane pressure to follow Saban.

Again they could have a bad upset their last two games, but if it holds, given the challenges in following Saban, dealing with incredible roster loss, and having a very challenging schedule makes year 1 at a macro level so far look really good.

I don't think this season tells you anything about Deboer. Inertia is a **** of a thing when it comes to big time coaches leaving programs. Coker rode it for 3 years.
 
Right on time, your incel personality chose to take center stage.

For a mopey ****head such as yourself, who constantly chooses to beat on the "good recruiter is not the same as a good coach" drum, you have strangely decided to put all your chips on "#3 recruiting class" as some sort of rapid referendum on Kalen DeBoer.

Meanwhile, Alabama is 8-2 with a loss to Vanderbilt and questions as to whether DeBoer is losing his current roster. And, hey, DeBoer might purge the old guys like Neon Deion does, but that still means we need to see what he does when he gets his own guys in place.

Boy, that huge Alabama win over Mercer has you gassed up. Are you a CFP Committee member?
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If DeBoer beats Oklahoma and our crush, Hugh, their last game, they finish 10-2 in his first season.

After 10 games with a qb who can barely throw (but run really well) they are averaging a full touchdown more per game so far in comparison to last year, and their defense ppg allowed has sightly improved 1 ppg. Both units (scoring ppg) are in the top 10 in the country this year.

Did he inherit Sabans players and infrastructure ? Sure. But did he inherit losing 10 draft picks, 31 scholarship losses to the portal, and losing 10 total dbs ? Yep.

The guy lost NEARLY 50% of the magical Saban roster in year 1 and is 8-2 with the strong possibility of being 10-2. He’s doing this with basically a top 5/10 overall SOS.

Auburn has played better later in their season relative to the beginning (the dynamic between Freeze and DeBoer remains super interesting) and an upset could lessen the impact of these basic points. But if the regular season holds out like it should (10-2) with nearly half the roster gone from last year and a top 10 SOS it’s still super impressive as a year 1 coach with the insane pressure to follow Saban.

Again they could have a bad upset their last two games, but if it holds, given the challenges in following Saban, dealing with incredible roster loss, and having a very challenging schedule makes year 1 at a macro level so far look really good.


You make some interesting points.

But let's take a closer look.

You say Milroe "can barely throw". Yet the stats don't show that. He's the #5 quarterback in the country by QBR and seems to be slotted as the #4 QB in the upcoming NFL draft. If that's a guy who "can barely throw", then give me that at Miami every single year.

Offensive points production - Yes, there is an improvement from 2023 (regular season) to 2024. But that is almost due to the OOC schedule, particularly two games. In 2023, Alabama lost to Texas (OOC) and struggled with USF. This year, Alabama destroyed USF and Wisconsin. Therefore, almost all of the "offensive improvement" came in September in two OOC games, because the SEC offensive production is nearly identical between 2023 (regular season) and 2024.

Defensive points allowed - Similar to what is described above, when you look at SEC only, Alabama is actually giving up nearly 7 points per game MORE than they did last year. Through 6 SEC games, Alabama has given up 160 points, while they gave up 161 points in 8 SEC games in 2023 (regular season). Again, any defensive improvement has come from the OOC games, as Alabama shut out Western Kentucky and Wisconsin in 2024, and held USF and Mercer to a combined 23 points.

The moral of the story? Add Texas to the SEC and replace that OOC game with a much weaker opponent like Wisconsin (and/or cripple the Wisconsin QB at the beginning of the game).

Yes, Alabama lost a bunch of guys. And in a weird way, this seems to be right in DeBoer's wheelhouse. He has not yet stayed at a head coaching job very well, so he seems to be good at a quick turnaround, though it is less certain how "permanent" his turnarounds are. Full credit to DeBoer for keeping things together for Year 1 at Alabama.

You keep talking about this 10-2, let's see what transpires. I'm willing to give credit that is earned.

Ultimately, it's possible that DeBoer can ramp things up for the first few years, but that could be Norvell-like and/or Sanders-like, we just don't know yet. I would like to see how things go once DeBoer has his own players in place and he is spending his fifth year in Tuscaloosa.
 
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I don't think this season tells you anything about Deboer. Inertia is a **** of a thing when it comes to big time coaches leaving programs. Coker rode it for 3 years.

I agree about sample size being early when trying to follow a big time period of time, but Coker is not a good comparison at all.

1. Coker inherited an absolute monster from Butch. DeBoer actually inherited a roster which was almost 50% reduced that gets ignored because of all Saban accomplished in his career. Those accomplishments are not as relevant as the massive losses DeBoer actually inherited, coupled with massive pressure following Saban, and again losing 10 dbs in an era when the secondary is more important than ever.
2. Prior to becoming the head coach at Alabama, DeBoer was 104-12 overall as a head coach coming off a national title runner up game (1 NAIA, 1 mid D1, 1 power five with very good success at the minimum at all 3).

Prior to becoming the head coach at Miami Coker had a career he record of 0-0.

Prior history of success needs to matter. Especially one as lopsided as that comparison.
 
That is a troll account and a troll fake tweet. I don’t like this continuing to be spread.


Whether it is a troll account and/or a fake tweet, Koht has been suspended and removed from the team and he will be entering the Portal.

So WHATEVER the reason, it appears to be something substantial. Whether the reason is THIS ALLEGED TWEET, we are not yet sure.

I'm not relying on Big Money Carl, and I'm not ruling it out either.
 
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Whether it is a troll account and/or a fake tweet, Koht has been suspended and removed from the team and he will be entering the Portal.

So WHATEVER the reason, it appears to be something substantial. Whether the reason is THIS ALLEGED TWEET, we are not yet sure.

I'm not relying on Big Money Carl, and I'm not ruling it out either.

The reason he is gone from the team is not because he messaged and sent DeBoer’s daughter any inappropriate pics or pictures at all. I know that for a fact, ya’ll need to dead that **** right the **** now.

If this was a random tweet started about…idk, Chase Smith, majority of people in this thread wouldn’t be doing this and would immediately shoot down this rumor from this bull**** *** account.
 
November is almost over. Why wouldn't she be 18 yet (likely)?
So, what some Miami fans are saying is, "He is a five star player at a position of need, and he committed no 'crime', so let's get him!"

Yea, a solid no for me. At the very best he is dumber than a box of rocks or he has a substance problem and cannot control himself. Neither, seems like what we need.
 
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I agree about sample size being early when trying to follow a big time period of time, but Coker is not a good comparison at all.

1. Coker inherited an absolute monster from Butch. DeBoer actually inherited a roster which was almost 50% reduced that gets ignored because of all Saban accomplished in his career. Those accomplishments are not as relevant as the massive losses DeBoer actually inherited, coupled with massive pressure following Saban, and again losing 10 dbs in an era when the secondary is more important than ever.
2. Prior to becoming the head coach at Alabama, DeBoer was 104-12 overall as a head coach coming off a national title runner up game (1 NAIA, 1 mid D1, 1 power five with very good success at the minimum at all 3).

Prior to becoming the head coach at Miami Coker had a career he record of 0-0.

Prior history of success needs to matter. Especially one as lopsided as that comparison.


1. Uhhh, OK...you mentioned that Alabama lost 10 draft picks, but the 2000 Butch team lost 7 draft picks: Dan Morgan, Damione Lewis, Santana Moss, Reggie Wayne, James Jackson, Leonard Myers, and Andre King. Three of those guys should be in the NFL HOF. The ONLY difference between what Coker inherited vs. what DeBoer inherited is "the Portal losses". And if you think that Alabama's Portal losses were a big deal, fine. But I see a lot of those Alabama Portal losses on the FSU roster DOING NOTHING.

2. As for DeBoer's lofty W-L record pre-Alabama, 5 of his 9 seasons (and 70 of his games) were at NAIA Sioux Falls. And then 2 of his 9 seasons (and 18 of his games) were at Fresno State. Which only leaves TWO reasonably comparable seasons at Washington, which were undoubtedly two great years. But that's it. The only thing you should be comparing to 0-0 Coker is DeBoer's two years at Washington.

I've never said DeBoer is terrible. I've never said he is the second coming of Saban. I've only said that I want to see him coach at a P4 program for longer than 2 years before I lock in on any opinion.

A year ago, Prison Mike Norvell looked pretty **** impressive too.
 
The reason he is gone from the team is not because he messaged and sent DeBoer’s daughter any inappropriate pics or pictures at all. I know that for a fact, ya’ll need to dead that **** right the **** now.

If this was a random tweet started about…idk, Chase Smith, majority of people in this thread wouldn’t be doing this and would immediately shoot down this rumor from this bull**** *** account.


I believe you are confusing a few issues. Causality. Transparency. Perception vs. Reality.

There may have been a reason why Koht was removed from the team. That is fine. But he may have done ADDITIONAL things that are discovered later which reinforce the original decision. IN THE ABSENCE of transparency, perhaps there are questions about whether there is one reason or multiple reasons. Who knows.

As for the guy tweeting the information on the social media activity, I would hope that Koht and/or the DeBoers would take swift action to address that and to release anything that helps to dispel any inaccurate rumors.

I'm not a spring chicken, I don't spend my days dealing with social media, I don't know every detail of how that works. I know that Todd Golden (Gator basketball coach) is accused of posting things and then deleting the posts. I have no idea how traceable that stuff is. So I'm just waiting to get more information on any of these types of "social media" accusations.

As for our posters, we had a guy get slammed yesterday for posting (and getting mad about) a "Quarterback Hot List" that omitted anyone on a bye week (Cam Ward), so there is a lot of confusing and misleading information that circulates the internet, even from so-called sports journalists.
 
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