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mossmadness said:
F+ offensive rankings:

Year before Arroyo:

2016: 9

With him:

2017: 41
2018: 41
2019: 19

He had Justin Herbert all 3 years.
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S.CarolinaCane said:
A lot of people that don't watch football?
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Lol. You're probably right.

But what I was intending with my original point got twisted inside-out.

There simply aren't many that consider his offense 'innovative' in the way they think of Kiffin or Kliff or Mullen or 'Insert-Air-Raid / 'Power-Spread' / 'Flavor of the Month' -name-here'. There's even fewer on this board who would have thought hiring 2020 Monken differently than they think of a 'typical, Mario, ball-control offense'.

Realistically: Do you think if the Todd Monken resume of 2020 (the one that Kirby hired) showed up on CIS as the leading replacement for Josh Gattis, would this board have been thrilled?

I contend there would have been a meltdown. 70% of CIS would have said, "hard pass" or "we could do so much better with the budget we have" (and throw out a bunch of 'sexier' OC names). 2020 Todd Monken would have been dragged on this board and Mario would have been raked through the coals. And yet - that offense and that coordinator just won 2 Championships.

Me? I'd be THRILLED with Kliff or Mullen or Candle or Ruggiero or any of many names that get tossed around here. I want a fun and exciting offense to watch. This is entertainment, after all. But I'm also not so easy to dismiss some of the names that get 'automatically kicked to the curb' just because they're 'vanilla'.

Monken is available? Give me a Monken. The Georgia offense DOMINATES the line of scrimmage and in doing so, takes what the defense gives them (reminds me of a modern day version of the Dorsey-era Canes) without fear or impunity. It is Machiavellian. But it is also very simple. And that was my point.
 
E1k said:
I am begging yall to actually watch the games instead of just throwing out stats you googled, do that after u watched the games to back up what you saw. Not the other way around.
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My friend I believed Herbert sucked. I thought he'd belly flop in the league.
 
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mossmadness said:
F+ offensive rankings:

Year before Arroyo:

2016: 9

With him:

2017: 41
2018: 41
2019: 19

He had Justin Herbert all 3 years.
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Yeah, and that 2017 statistic might, juuust miiiiight, be impacted by the fact that Herbert missed 5 games, of which Oregon lost 4 of them.

Maybe that 2017 number is higher if he had Herbert for ALL of that year.

Herbert had great numbers all 3 years, and the team got better every year. Yeah, but we should be focused on an awful 2016 team that went 4-8 team with a great offense and a terrible defense.

Again, the coaches' jobs are to win games, not to maximize one player's draft position or stats.

I can't believe anyone would argue for "the #9 offense" and a 4-8 team over "the #19 offense" and a 12-2 team.
 
Sebastian needs to be on Gattis heels, Soon as he tries to make public appearance:
 
mossmadness said:
F+ offensive rankings:

Year before Arroyo:

2016: 9

With him:

2017: 41
2018: 41
2019: 19

He had Justin Herbert all 3 years.
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I was on the neutral side when it came to Arroyo but thats a yeeesh. I still blame Mario as that's the offense he wants to run no matter whose his OC
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Yeah, and that 2017 statistic might, juuust miiiiight, be impacted by the fact that Herbert missed 5 games, of which Oregon lost 4 of them.

Maybe that 2017 number is higher if he had Herbert for ALL of that year.

Herbert had great numbers all 3 years, and the team got better every year. Yeah, but we should be focused on an awful 2016 team that went 4-8 team with a great offense and a terrible defense.

Again, the coaches' jobs are to win games, not to maximize one player's draft position or stats.

I can't believe anyone would argue for "the #9 offense" and a 4-8 team over "the #19 offense" and a 12-2 team.
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And your excuse for 2018 is….
 
Yeah, and that 2017 statistic might, juuust miiiiight, be impacted by the fact that Herbert missed 5 games, of which Oregon lost 4 of them.
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Using that logic we should keep Gattis because Van Dyke was hurt/missed 5 games along with most of the o-line.

Seriously....I can't say Tyler Van Dyke? Is this part of the new updates?
 
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CanesSkins26 said:
And your excuse for 2018 is….
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Excuse?

Oregon had the 25th highest scoring offense in 2018. That's all I care about. Points on the board. The only stat that matters.

I have no idea how that "41st in total offense for 2018" stat was compiled. I'm not sure that Oregon should apologize for having good running backs, including 2018 and 2019 when Verdell and Dye went for 1,800 yards combined each year.

Here's the reality. From the Taggart year (2017) through 2019, Oregon threw the ball more and more each year (and that's the entire team, not just Herbert alone, considering he missed 5 games in 2017).

So...you know...Oregon continued to call Herbert's number more and more each year.

I don't know what some of these people want. Oregon scored points, consistently, all 3 years Cristobal/Arroyo were involved. Oregon won more games each and every year. Herbert got more of the offensive focus each and every year. What are some people expecting, that a team suddenly goes "Air Raid" for a year just because they have a 4th year QB and in spite of the fact that they have a great running attack all 3 years?

Just ridiculous.
 
mossmadness said:
F+ offensive rankings:

Year before Arroyo:

2016: 9

With him:

2017: 41
2018: 41
2019: 19

He had Justin Herbert all 3 years.
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TheOriginalCane said:
Yeah, and that 2017 statistic might, juuust miiiiight, be impacted by the fact that Herbert missed 5 games, of which Oregon lost 4 of them.

Maybe that 2017 number is higher if he had Herbert for ALL of that year.

Herbert had great numbers all 3 years, and the team got better every year. Yeah, but we should be focused on an awful 2016 team that went 4-8 team with a great offense and a terrible defense.

Again, the coaches' jobs are to win games, not to maximize one player's draft position or stats.

I can't believe anyone would argue for "the #9 offense" and a 4-8 team over "the #19 offense" and a 12-2 team.
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Or the fact Taggert called the plays in 2017.
 
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My2Sense said:
Lol. You're probably right.

But what I was intending with my original point got twisted inside-out.

There simply aren't many that consider his offense 'innovative' in the way they think of Kiffin or Kliff or Mullen or 'Insert-Air-Raid / 'Power-Spread' / 'Flavor of the Month' -name-here'. There's even fewer on this board who would have thought hiring 2020 Monken differently than they think of a 'typical, Mario, ball-control offense'.

Realistically: Do you think if the Todd Monken resume of 2020 (the one that Kirby hired) showed up on CIS as the leading replacement for Josh Gattis, would this board have been thrilled?

I contend there would have been a meltdown. 70% of CIS would have said, "hard pass" or "we could do so much better with the budget we have" (and throw out a bunch of 'sexier' OC names). 2020 Todd Monken would have been dragged on this board and Mario would have been raked through the coals. And yet - that offense and that coordinator just won 2 Championships.

Me? I'd be THRILLED with Kliff or Mullen or Candle or Ruggiero or any of many names that get tossed around here. I want a fun and exciting offense to watch. This is entertainment, after all. But I'm also not so easy to dismiss some of the names that get 'automatically kicked to the curb' just because they're 'vanilla'.

Monken is available? Give me a Monken. The Georgia offense DOMINATES the line of scrimmage and in doing so, takes what the defense gives them (reminds me of a modern day version of the Dorsey-era Canes) without fear or impunity. It is Machiavellian. But it is also very simple. And that was my point.
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Many on this board will not accept with anything less than an Air Raid guru.
 
I am not an Arroyo fan. And I do believe UM can and should do better than Arroyo. But, he's nowhere near the level of incompetence we witnessed this year.

To borrow a metaphor I read earlier, I don't think hiring Arroyo is the equivalent of taking home a 3 at last call and convincing yourself she's a 9. But, it is a lot like taking home a chubby (but low maintenance) 5, then asking her to move in after a panic attack in the shower the next day over the thought of dying alone.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Yeah, and that 2017 statistic might, juuust miiiiight, be impacted by the fact that Herbert missed 5 games, of which Oregon lost 4 of them.

Maybe that 2017 number is higher if he had Herbert for ALL of that year.

Herbert had great numbers all 3 years, and the team got better every year. Yeah, but we should be focused on an awful 2016 team that went 4-8 team with a great offense and a terrible defense.

Again, the coaches' jobs are to win games, not to maximize one player's draft position or stats.

I can't believe anyone would argue for "the #9 offense" and a 4-8 team over "the #19 offense" and a 12-2 team.
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I have to laugh at the obsession many CIS members have insisting Herbert was awful in college, horribly coached. His success is the NFL has nothing to do with Mario and the staff at Oregon. How could it be? He only threw for 6,600 yards and a 61-14 TD-INT ratio his JR/SR years.

IMO there are six starting QBs in the NFL I would not trade under any circumstances. Herbert is one of them.

Pat Mahomes
Josh Allen
Joe Burrow
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Jalen Hurts

I’d make a serious attempt to sign Lamar if I were Baltimore, but would struggle with the $250M price tag set by Wilson, Murray, and Watson.

Out of control.
 
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