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I am not an Arroyo fan. And I do believe UM can and should do better than Arroyo. But, he's nowhere near the level of incompetence we witnessed this year.

To borrow a metaphor I read earlier, I don't think hiring Arroyo is the equivalent of taking home a 3 at last call and convincing yourself she's a 9. But, it is a lot like taking home a chubby (but low maintenance) 5, then asking her to move in after a panic attack in the shower the next day over the thought of dying alone.
He's not as bad as he's made out to be be, he's a QB coach by trait. The goal is to get someone better but if this buyout thing with Gattis is legit, maybe he's a cheap quick fix that comes here cheap on UNLV Dollar.
 
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I have to laugh at the obsession many CIS members have insisting Herbert was awful in college, horribly coached. His success is the NFL has nothing to do with Mario and the staff at Oregon. How could it be? He only threw for 6,600 yards and a 61-14 TD-INT ratio his JR/SR years.

IMO there are six starting QBs in the NFL I would not trade under any circumstances. Herbert is one of them.

Mahomes
Wells
Burrow
Lawrence
Herbert
Hurts

I’d make a serious attempt to sign Lamar if I were Baltimore, but would struggle with the $250M price tag set by Wilson, Murray, and Watson. Out of control.
Wells?
 
I have to laugh at the obsession many CIS members have insisting Herbert was awful in college, horribly coached. His success is the NFL has nothing to do with Mario and the staff at Oregon. How could it be? He only threw for 6,600 yards and a 61-14 TD-INT ratio his JR/SR years.

IMO there are six starting QBs in the NFL I would not trade under any circumstances. Herbert is one of them.

Mahomes
Wells
Burrow
Lawrence
Herbert
Hurts

I’d make a serious attempt to sign Lamar if I were Baltimore, but would struggle with the $250M price tag set by Wilson, Murray, and Watson. Out of control.
People 100% went over board with the Herbert argument against Mario to the point where it is now untenable. The knock against Mario with Herbert is that Herbert is on an HOF trajectory and had an offense that wasn’t centered around that skill set in college. It was a run first offense and people use that as evidence that no matter the personnel Mario wants an offense that they perceive as ancient.

Stating that Mario and the staff didn’t develop Herbert is utter nonsense. You don’t go top 10 in the draft and put up the numbers he did his rookie year if he wasn’t developed.
 
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That’s simply not true.

Monken consistently schemes up via numbers and spacing an advantage for his offense. Having elite OL certainly helps, but the Georgia WRs weren’t Bama or Ohio st level

this film break down does an excellent job of illustrating that



This is great stuff.
 
That’s simply not true.

Monken consistently schemes up via numbers and spacing an advantage for his offense. Having elite OL certainly helps, but the Georgia WRs weren’t Bama or Ohio st level

this film break down does an excellent job of illustrating that


What a good coach
 
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So Arroyo gets no credit cuz of Herbert but Joe Brady gets credit for Burrow? U man cant even keep up with your nonsense. Mullen was a disaster HC, yet no one mentions that, but Arroyo supposed to be judged by getn let go by UNLV. I dont think i have ever seen a game of theirs, i dont even know whats their mascot, thats how irrelevant they are. As others have said Arroyo should not be first or even top 5, but he aint some useless bum like Gattfish.
 
People 100% went over board with the Herbert argument against Mario to the point where it is now untenable. The knock against Mario with Herbert is that Herbert is on an HOF trajectory and had an offense that wasn’t centered around that skill set in college. It was a run first offense and people use that as evidence that no matter the personnel Mario wants an offense that they perceive as ancient.

Stating that Mario and the staff didn’t develop Herbert is utter nonsense. You don’t go top 10 in the draft and put up the numbers he did his rookie year if he wasn’t developed.
100%. Plenty of QBs with video game college numbers aren’t starting in the NFL. Let alone a backup.

Would anyone trade Herbert for Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray? Straight up.
 
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I have to laugh at the obsession many CIS members have insisting Herbert was awful in college, horribly coached. His success is the NFL has nothing to do with Mario and the staff at Oregon. How could it be? He only threw for 6,600 yards and a 61-14 TD-INT ratio his JR/SR years.

IMO there are six starting QBs in the NFL I would not trade under any circumstances. Herbert is one of them.

Mahomes
Wells
Burrow
Lawrence
Herbert
Hurts

I’d make a serious attempt to sign Lamar if I were Baltimore, but would struggle with the $250M price tag set by Wilson, Murray, and Watson.

Out of control.


Did you mean to type Wells? Do you mean Allen?
 
He's not as bad as he's made out to be be, he's a QB coach by trait. The goal is to get someone better but if this buyout thing with Gattis is legit, maybe he's a cheap quick fix that comes here cheap on UNLV Dollar.
Cheap quick fix? As in we are hurting for money? Have you paid any attention to how we’ve been throwing money around. There are so many other little contractual details that could hold up a buyout. Money hasn’t been an issue here recently. A couple Million dollars won’t force us into a “cheap quick fix”
 
So Arroyo gets no credit cuz of Herbert but Joe Brady gets credit for Burrow? U man cant even keep up with your nonsense. Mullen was a disaster HC, yet no one mentions that, but Arroyo supposed to be judged by getn let go by UNLV. I dont think i have ever seen a game of theirs, i dont even know whats their mascot, thats how irrelevant they are. As others have said Arroyo should not be first or even top 5, but he aint some useless bum like Gattfish.
And Joe Brady was fired as OC in Carolina.
 
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People 100% went over board with the Herbert argument against Mario to the point where it is now untenable. The knock against Mario with Herbert is that Herbert is on an HOF trajectory and had an offense that wasn’t centered around that skill set in college. It was a run first offense and people use that as evidence that no matter the personnel Mario wants an offense that they perceive as ancient.

Stating that Mario and the staff didn’t develop Herbert is utter nonsense. You don’t go top 10 in the draft and put up the numbers he did his rookie year if he wasn’t developed.
Agree that some people go overboard with criticism of Mario and Arroyo with respect to Herbert. However, one of the prime criticisms we’ve had for our OCs the past 10+ years, including with Gattis, is that they try to make their players fit their schemes rather than fitting their schemes to their players. And that same criticism fits for Mario and Arroyo with the offense they ran with Herbert. Sure they put up solid point totals, but can anyone honestly say that they got the most they could’ve out of Herbert?
 
And Joe Brady was fired as OC in Carolina.
None of the LSU high powered stuff worked there. Yet people are convinced we would recreate LSU 2019. We can win alot of games with Arroyo. People are overly invested and emotional about a decision they cant control and its making them irrational. Its more impressive to me that Arroyo put up 35 points a game and wasnt running some high tempo slang it everywhere offense
 
100%. Plenty of QBs with video game college numbers aren’t starting in the NFL. Let alone a backup.

Would anyone trade Herbert for Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray? Straight up.
Absolutely not but it is a double edged sword. Many wish that Mario leaned on a talent like Herbert more than he did. Still the suggestion that Herbert wasn’t developed cheapens and makes that argument ludicrous.
 
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None of the LSU high powered stuff worked there. Yet people are convinced we would recreate LSU 2019. We can win alot of games with Arroyo. People are overly invested and emotional about a decision they cant control and its making them irrational. Its more impressive to me that Arroyo put up 35 points a game and wasnt running some high tempo slang it everywhere offense
Of course it didn’t work, Carolina was not a talented offense.

Not like Buffalo, with a MVP/Top 5 QB, elite WRs, and a pretty good first-year OC calling plays. Brady reports to him.
 
I am not an Arroyo fan. And I do believe UM can and should do better than Arroyo. But, he's nowhere near the level of incompetence we witnessed this year.

To borrow a metaphor I read earlier, I don't think hiring Arroyo is the equivalent of taking home a 3 at last call and convincing yourself she's a 9. But, it is a lot like taking home a chubby (but low maintenance) 5, then asking her to move in after a panic attack in the shower the next day over the thought of dying alone.

By that math, Gattis is like ******* sandpaper …
 
Cheap quick fix? As in we are hurting for money? Have you paid any attention to how we’ve been throwing money around. There are so many other little contractual details that could hold up a buyout. Money hasn’t been an issue here recently. A couple Million dollars won’t force us into a “cheap quick fix”
That's why I said if the buyout money issue was true. I'm not prepared to tell someone else how to spend money that's not mine. I just know all these buyouts are likely starting to add up. They had to buyout Manny at 8M and his staff then hire a new staff and buyout some of the new staff including Mario at 9M according to 247 and Oregon Live, so that's 17M before you even paid the new staff anything. Now you would have to buyout Gattis whose one of the highest paid OCs in football only a year into it, also I would imagine we paid the 500k buyout to get him here from Michigan and then you got to pay the new OC and likely buy him out as well on top of all the NIL stuff and facility upgrades. I just know this stuff can't get pretty complicated behind the scenes and isn't that simple.
 
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