Josh Gattis (before its deleted)

[Canesrule230]

Just the fact that you talked about "ticket sales cratering"...proof positive that you are just making up false statements.

Ticket sales didn't "crater", they were up substantially. Now, if you had bothered to talk about something like "actual attendance", then maybe you'd have a point.

Season ticket sales were higher than in past years, and I'm not just talking about COVID years. That's a fact.

We had a sellout (SELLOUT!) for our second-to-last home game of the year. And I realize it was also the Homecoming game. But still. And Pitt was a Thanksgiving weekend home game. We haven't done well in those games for 35 years (want me to tell you about the East Carolina game on Thanksgiving weekend 1986, the one where an undefeated #1 team in the country played before 30,000 fans?).

Unlike you, I was at nearly every game this year, including aTm, GaTech, and Clemson. So don't talk to me about attendance. The aTm game was their SECOND BIGGEST ATTENDANCE number all-time. And, yes, some of that was Miami fans.

Had a pretty impressive turnout at GaTech. Clemson is a different story, for multiple reasons.

Beta Blake is to blame for a home OOC schedule that features Bethune-Cookman, Southern Miss, and MTSU. That pile of ***** was 3 of our 7 home games.

So, yeah, before you go making up false facts, you should consider the fact that you are EASY to debunk.

Ok I'll be more precise for you... attendance cratered especially towards back of the season. And of course ticket sales were up substantially - pre-season sales went up substantially with the anticipation of the season. The point that you're missing is that that trend will not continue with these results.

You really think ticket sales will be strong going into next year? It doesn't take a genius to realize that there will be a pullback on ticket sales going into next year - And if you can't admit that then you're being disingenuous.

And please stop using away games to make a point. Our fans may not show up but our brand name always draws a crowd at away games - when we play a team with a pulse.

 

[Canesrule230]

I used logic to respond to your false claims about "cratering" attendance.

Are you a ********* who wants to be whipped every single time?

I just saw your response and responded back. I was more precise but lets be real - the driver for those ticket sales was pre-season hype. If we hadn't sold so many pre-season tickets we would have been screwed for the year.

Which is what is likely going to happen going into next year. But please continue to use the good faith that the fan base gave Mario going into the season as your rationale for making your points.

 

[ZuCrew]

You're going to have to get more specific, I have 3 degrees from UM.

Undergrad? 1991.

You speak like a proud alumni.

 

[Applecane]

Ok I'll be more precise for you... attendance cratered especially towards back of the season. And of course ticket sales were up substantially - pre-season sales went up substantially with the anticipation of the season. The point that you're missing is that that trend will not continue with these results.

You really think ticket sales will be strong going into next year? It doesn't take a genius to realize that there will be a pullback on ticket sales going into next year - And if you can't admit that then you're being disingenuous.

And please stop using away games to make a point. Our fans may not show up but our brand name always draws a crowd at away games - when we play a team with a pulse.

We have aTm and Clemson at home. That might help.

 

[InTheCut]

THIS

So genuine serious question to you and the insiders ( @Cribby, @TheOriginalCane, @SouthParkCane and those that I can’t remember their tag names) without going too far into detail.

Mario has been on record saying at least publicly that he strongly feels that coaches should finish out their season prior to getting involved with seeking another job. He’s expressed that NCAA should adopt the NFL model in this case.

So my question is, do you believe that Mario honors that thinking when looking for the next OC and or DC? Meaning if there was either an OC or DC (this is IF he is looking to replace Steele) candidate coaching this past, weekend, he purposely chooses not to reach out until after they completed their season out of respect and his morals?

Again, don’t rip my head off, I’m just being serious cuz I don’t know him (Mario) personally to know how he would operate in that sense.

Cuz we all know other coaches could care less about people finishing their season. They put out fillers and conduct interviews during game week.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Ok I'll be more precise for you... attendance cratered especially towards back of the season. And of course ticket sales were up substantially - pre-season sales went up substantially with the anticipation of the season. The point that you're missing is that that trend will not continue with these results.

You really think ticket sales will be strong going into next year? It doesn't take a genius to realize that there will be a pullback on ticket sales going into next year - And if you can't admit that then you're being disingenuous.

And please stop using away games to make a point. Our fans may not show up but our brand name always draws a crowd at away games - when we play a team with a pulse.

"More precise". Hilarious.

Yeah, the THANKSGIVING WEEKEND PITT GAME attendance "cratered" right after the sellout Homecoming Weekend F$U game.

Wow, what insightful analysis from you...

I realize that attendance numbers are imperfect but...

Bethune-Cookman - 56,795
Southern Miss - 46,422
MTSU - 46,713 (as Hurricane Ian was arriving)
North Carolina - 17,283 (about 10 days after Hurricane Ian made landfall)
Duke - 57,421
F$U - 66,200 (sellout, Homecoming Weekend)
Pitt - 46,428 (Thanksgiving Weekend, never a sellout)

Only game below 46K was a post-hurricane-recovery game.

So, yeah, your "cratering attendance" nonsense was, as I stated, false facts. Lies. More bullcrap from you to spin the narrative that you are desperate to cling to.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You speak like a proud alumni.

I explained this to someone else the other night...

First year at UM - finished #2 (lost to Ped-o State in the Fiasco Bowl)
Second year at UM - undefeated #1 national champs
Third year at UM - finished #2 after bogus loss to Notre Dame
Fourth year at UM - #1 national champs (the lostt at F$U was the first time I saw us lose in person)
Fifth year at UM - 2-loss season
Sixth year at UM - undefeated #1 national champs
Seventh year at UM - lost to Alabama in the Sugar Bowl

And, yes, I have undergrad, grad, and law degrees from UM.

 

[Fluffhead]

You are correct. He has been told to find another job ASAP.

I get that these are involved decisions from boosters, ADs, legal, Mario, etc. But while Miami is tax exempt, it’s not a charity. I appreciate Mario wanting to give guys the chance to land on their feet, but when you fail as spectacularly as the offense did this year, sometimes ripping the bandaid off is needed. Especially if they want to (and need to) be more aggressive with portal guys. I get why people are frustrated here, and candidly, after last year’s hiring process I get why Mario is not getting the benefit of the doubt.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

So genuine serious question to you and the insiders ( @Cribby, @TheOriginalCane, @SouthParkCane and those that I can’t remember their tag names) without going too far into detail.

Mario has been on record saying at least publicly that he strongly feels that coaches should finish out their season prior to getting involved with seeking another job. He’s expressed that NCAA should adopt the NFL model in this case.

So my question is, do you believe that Mario honors that thinking when looking for the next OC and or DC? Meaning if there was either an OC or DC (this is IF he is looking to replace Steele) candidate coaching this past, weekend, he purposely chooses not to reach out until after they completed their season out of respect and his morals?

Again, don’t rip my head off, I’m just being serious cuz I don’t know him (Mario) personally to know how he would operate in that sense.

Cuz we all know other coaches could care less about people finishing their season. They put out fillers and conduct interviews during game week.

I do not believe that Mario has reached out for full-blown conversations with other coaching candidates prior to the last 7 days, no interviews, nothing like that.

Now that Mario has Alonzo on staff, he can keep Mario's hands clean. The "typical way" is that agents and/or third-party intermediaries reach out to university Athletic Director types to gauge interest.

But the conversations about offensive style and POSSIBLE candidates have been taking place.

From what I've heard, Mario is open-minded on OCs, wants to have conversations with a few guys to get a better sense of things. But on defense, I think it's an open secret that he likes Partridge IN CASE Steele decides to step away (either retirement or workload management).

 

[252cane]

I do not believe that Mario has reached out for full-blown conversations with other coaching candidates, no interviews, nothing like that.

Now that Mario has Alonzo on staff, he can keep his hands clean. The "typical way" is that agents and/or third-party intermediaries reach out to university Athletic Director types to gauge interest.

But the conversations about offensive style and POSSIBLE candidates have been taking place.

From what I've heard, Mario is open-minded on OCs, wants to have conversations with a few guys to get a better sense of things. But on defense, I think it's an open secret that he likes Partridge IN CASE Steele decides to step away (either retirement or workload management).

Charlie or Chris?

 

[Canesrule230]

"More precise". Hilarious.

Yeah, the THANKSGIVING WEEKEND PITT GAME attendance "cratered" right after the sellout Homecoming Weekend F$U game.

Wow, what insightful analysis from you...

I realize that attendance numbers are imperfect but...

Bethune-Cookman - 56,795
Southern Miss - 46,422
MTSU - 46,713 (as Hurricane Ian was arriving)
North Carolina - 17,283 (about 10 days after Hurricane Ian made landfall)
Duke - 57,421
F$U - 66,200 (sellout, Homecoming Weekend)
Pitt - 46,428 (Thanksgiving Weekend, never a sellout)

Only game below 46K was a post-hurricane-recovery game.

So, yeah, your "cratering attendance" nonsense was, as I stated, false facts. Lies. More bullcrap from you to spin the narrative that you are desperate to cling to.

Hahahaha everyone knows those numbers are highly inaccurate - if you think there were 46k ppl in the stands for the Pitt Game boy have I got some oceanside property to sell to you in Kansas! Those numbers more correlate with tickets sold - but yea keep going with the narrative that attendance didn't suffer.

Stubhub even had tickets listed for the Pitt game at $1! Boy we really drew a crowd there... As a Miami alumn it pains me to see this but if you're not willing to acknowledge the problem you will never fix it.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I get that these are involved decisions from boosters, ADs, legal, Mario, etc. But while Miami is tax exempt, it’s not a charity. I appreciate Mario wanting to give guys the chance to land on their feet, but when you fail as spectacularly as the offense did this year, sometimes ripping the bandaid off is needed. Especially if they want to (and need to) be more aggressive with portal guys. I get why people are frustrated here, and candidly, after last year’s hiring process I get why Mario is not getting the benefit of the doubt.

I understand what you are saying COMPLETELY.

All I can really say is that are a few things going on which should give SOME "tip of the hat" confidence to true Miami fans that stuff is happening. Particularly when it comes to the (at the current time) recommitment of TVD and Garcia.

I just responded to someone else where I said that I don't think Mario did anything "conversationally" with any candidates prior to a week ago. But to act as if the past week hasn't had..."activity"...would also be incorrect.

If you go back to some things that other people have written about (I believe Cribby was one), I think there are ranges of emotion that lead to ranges of behavior. To use Gattis as an example, yes, some things at Michigan happened which indicated he was going to leave at some point, YET Harbaugh didn't hate the guy, even nominated him for the Broyles. I think "firing" a coach publicly and with no immediate known successor is probably the most hardcore reaction, and usually is an indication that there was bad blood IN ADDITION TO the dissatisfaction with performance.

I do know the FANS are more angry with Gattis than POSSIBLY Mario is, in the sense that Mario had a front-row seat to be able to gauge the EFFORT that Gattis gave to turn around the Titanic during the season. That kind of good-faith effort often buys some goodwill, even if a parting of the ways is inevitable.

That is all. Like I said somewhere else, I PERSONALLY am in favor of Gattis' execution (to paraphrase the immortal John McKay quote), but I just don't see Miami doing that in this situation (and we can't put this all on Mario, as Radakovich supports what Mario is doing too and how he is doing it).

The fact that a HS coach like Coach Macho is already hearing names on the D side is a pretty good indication that this is not "nuclear secrets" level secrecy (although after what was found in Mar-a-Lago...I keed, I keed). I think the O side successor could POSSIBLY happen before December signing day, but may go just past that, but with enough time to target Portal guys.

As for "public announcement thereof"...can't be 100% certain, but let's not pretend that Dan and Alonzo and Mario are unaware that the natives are restless...

 

[Bender]

Charlie or Chris?

Macho has alluded to the best DL evaluator and coach in the country who comes from Florida.

Its Charlie.

 

[252cane]

Macho has alluded to the best DL evaluator and coach in the country who comes from Florida.

Its Charlie.

3 d-line coaches would be too much

 

[WestGA'Cane]

@TheOriginalCane said "Be a man, and we not doing it! Let's gooooo..."

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Hahahaha everyone knows those numbers are highly inaccurate - if you think there were 46k ppl in the stands for the Pitt Game boy have I got some oceanside property to sell to you in Kansas! Those numbers more correlate with tickets sold - but yea keep going with the narrative that attendance didn't suffer.

Stubhub even had tickets listed for the Pitt game at $1! Boy we really drew a crowd there... As a Miami alumn it pains me to see this but if you're not willing to acknowledge the problem you will never fix it.

Again, dope-boy, I already acknowledged that ticket sales and actual butts-in-seats attendance can be different numbers.

Is there ANY DOUBT that the North Carolina number is more "actual attendance" than "ticket sales"?

And even for Pitt, part of the ticket sale numbers would involve SINGLE-GAME sales. Unless you think that 100% of single-game sales happen months in advance. It was Thanksgiving Weekend, people knew the date during the summer, and a chunk of those sales were week-of and walk-up.

Oh, but you're going to try to criticize me AND THEN YOU GO AND CITE STUBHUB PRICES?! Further proof that you are a fact-free joke of a porster.

Again, your FALSE argument was that ticket-sales continued to "crater" all season, which I disproved with the F$U sellout (second to last game) and Thanksgiving weekend (last) game that was comparable to nearly every other Thanksgiving weekend game we've ever hosted. I realize that, you know, FACTS are not exactly helping you with your FALSE argument (which you shifted to "attendance" once I humiliated you), but you're unlikely to change your FALSE argument at this late date, you are probably just going to double-down.

Doesn't matter. You're still wrong. No matter how much "scientific research" you base on things like StubHub prices and "the eye test".

 

[TheOriginalCane]

@TheOriginalCane said "Be a man, and we not doing it! Let's gooooo..."

One of the greatest movie lines of all time...

 

[Fluffhead]

I understand what you are saying COMPLETELY.

All I can really say is that are a few things going on which should give SOME "tip of the hat" confidence to true Miami fans that stuff is happening. Particularly when it comes to the (at the current time) recommitment of TVD and Garcia.

I just responded to someone else where I said that I don't think Mario did anything "conversationally" with any candidates prior to a week ago. But to act as if the past week hasn't had..."activity"...would also be incorrect.

If you go back to some things that other people have written about (I believe Cribby was one), I think there are ranges of emotion that lead to ranges of behavior. To use Gattis as an example, yes, some things at Michigan happened which indicated he was going to leave at some point, YET Harbaugh didn't hate the guy, even nominated him for the Broyles. I think "firing" a coach publicly and with no immediate known successor is probably the most hardcore reaction, and usually is an indication that there was bad blood IN ADDITION TO the dissatisfaction with performance.

I do know the FANS are more angry with Gattis than POSSIBLY Mario is, in the sense that Mario had a front-row seat to be able to gauge the EFFORT that Gattis gave to turn around the Titanic during the season. That kind of good-faith effort often buys some goodwill, even if a parting of the ways is inevitable.

That is all. Like I said somewhere else, I PERSONALLY am in favor of Gattis' execution (to paraphrase the immortal John McKay quote), but I just don't see Miami doing that in this situation (and we can't put this all on Mario, as Radakovich supports what Mario is doing too and how he is doing it).

The fact that a HS coach like Coach Macho is already hearing names on the D side is a pretty good indication that this is not "nuclear secrets" level secrecy (although after what was found in Mar-a-Lago...I keed, I keed). I think the O side successor could POSSIBLY happen before December signing day, but may go just past that, but with enough time to target Portal guys.

As for "public announcement thereof"...can't be 100% certain, but let's not pretend that Dan and Alonzo and Mario are unaware that the natives are restless...

I think all of this is fair. Removing the fact that all of our insiders with unimpeachable track records have said changes are coming, there’s a lot of circumstantial evidence to this effect too. And let’s not kid ourselves, while the natives may be restless, the buyouts and coach contracts are being funded by a few. For the masses, so long as there’s a new OC to sell by season ticket time that’s not part of this decision process or timeline.

My primary concern is if this has any impact on the first round of portal guys. If the answer is no, then let the guy leave when he finds a landing spot. However, if the answer is yes, then he should absolutely already be gone and it’s business.

 

[InTheCut]

I do not believe that Mario has reached out for full-blown conversations with other coaching candidates prior to the last 7 days, no interviews, nothing like that.

Now that Mario has Alonzo on staff, he can keep Mario's hands clean. The "typical way" is that agents and/or third-party intermediaries reach out to university Athletic Director types to gauge interest.

But the conversations about offensive style and POSSIBLE candidates have been taking place.

From what I've heard, Mario is open-minded on OCs, wants to have conversations with a few guys to get a better sense of things. But on defense, I think it's an open secret that he likes Partridge IN CASE Steele decides to step away (either retirement or workload management).

Respect! Appreciate that!

I’ll assume the Partidge at Ole Miss because Mario appreciates his savage and relentless approach in recruiting.

I think someone mentioned it last cycle.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I think all of this is fair. Removing the fact that all of our insiders with unimpeachable track records have said changes are coming, there’s a lot of circumstantial evidence to this effect too. And let’s not kid ourselves, while the natives may be restless, the buyouts and coach contracts are being funded by a few. For the masses, so long as there’s a new OC to sell by season ticket time that’s not part of this decision process or timeline.

My primary concern is if this has any impact on the first round of portal guys. If the answer is no, then let the guy leave when he finds a landing spot. However, if the answer is yes, then he should absolutely already be gone and it’s business.

On your first paragraph, I wouldn't worry about the money aspects. We didn't give more than 2 years to any assistant, so we are not on the hook for more than one remaining year of salary. You and I are both "legal" enough to realize those deals will not be true negotiated buyouts, they will be "setoffs", where the new salary will reduce what we owe on the remaining contract salary. All in all, it's infinitely do-able.

On your second paragraph, multiple of the insiders have talked about how the new "45 day window" for Portal Round 1 is going to boil the decision process down to "do I like the program/direction" more than "who is my particular position coach". Coaching changes will be going on for the next couple of months, and if a Portal kid HARDCORE HARDCORE makes his decision solely on a coordinator...I've got some news for him...

And, again, not to misunderstand...I actually DO sympathize with the Portal kids. Some of them may have had issues at a prior school BECAUSE of who the coach(es) is/were. But the game of coaching musical chairs is just getting started. I will be CURIOUS to see if the two distinct "periods" for Portal movement cause any of these guys to defer decisions from Round 1 to Round 2. Not saying it will, but...just curious...