Josh Gattis (before its deleted)

[htownkidd]

Which OC is which?

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Regardless of what Clemson did AS A TEAM (win the ACC), the passing game was horrendous. The Clemson passing game was Miami-like, even though they won twice as many games.

You can't say "but Gattis is still employed" when Brandon Streeter was ALSO still employed until a few hours ago.

Clemson’s season also just ended less than 2 weeks ago. This could have been in motion since then and Dabo was just waiting for TCU’s season to end. We likely will never know for sure, but they are not on the same timeline as us in terms of staff changes.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Which OC is which?

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Regardless of what Clemson did AS A TEAM (win the ACC), the passing game was horrendous. The Clemson passing game was Miami-like, even though they won twice as many games.

You can't say "but Gattis is still employed" when Brandon Streeter was ALSO still employed until a few hours ago.

Bottomline is....Riley wasn't coming to UM....Plain and simple. I'll bet you come the start of next yr, Clemson's coaching staff will be 10x what we'll have.

 

[Cane6]

Which OC is which?

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Regardless of what Clemson did AS A TEAM (win the ACC), the passing game was horrendous. The Clemson passing game was Miami-like, even though they won twice as many games.

You can't say "but Gattis is still employed" when Brandon Streeter was ALSO still employed until a few hours ago.

Dabo promoted a “Clemson guy” to OC in Streeter… low risk low reward

Streeter made $925k as a first year OC

Yes Clemson offense was bad this year, but based on investments Dabo still got way better returns than Mario

 

[88]

Here we are again.

Program in a tough spot with the easy fix right in front of everyone’s face but the guy in charge.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

dabo hired the guy everyone said would be a HR here. we....

Right. And I am just as angry that we didn't get Riley, particularly after arguing against the morons who said that Riley wouldn't leave TCU.

But it's not "because we didn't fire Gattis earlier", as Dabo similarly DID NOT FIRE HIS OC until he was ready to name a new one.

Let's be mad about missing on Riley. That's legit.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Dabo promoted a “Clemson guy” to OC in Streeter… low risk low reward

Streeter made $925k as a first year OC

Yes Clemson offense was bad this year, but based on investments Dabo still got way better returns than Mario

Won the ACC with an OC that made $925,000....in the meantime at the University of Excuses....we go 5-7 with an OC that makes $1.8 million, and his sorry *** is still here. Talk about a complete embarrassment.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Dabo promoted a “Clemson guy” to OC in Streeter… low risk low reward

Streeter made $925k as a first year OC

Yes Clemson offense was bad this year, but based on investments Dabo still got way better returns than Mario

I don't disagree with your cost-benefit analysis.

But the argument earlier (not from you, from others) was "not firing Gattis earlier cost us Riley". Which is simply not true.

 

[Yoyo82]

There are no excuses.

I have said that Dabo and Mario are doing THE EXACT SAME THING.

Retaining a coordinator until they offer the replacement.

People can yell about it, but Dabo and Mario both waited to fire their OCs.

Mario will officially **** this up (on the coaching side, I'm not addressing the impact on recruiting for now) if he hires a poor replacement, but not because he kept a coordinator on until he was ready to hire the replacement.

I understand why people are restless and angry, but Dabo just pulled the exact same move.

But Dabo went 11-3 and has earned the benefit of the doubt.

Mario was just given the most resources and biggest budget in Miami football history and then had the worst season imaginable. He's burned all the fans' patience.

Edit: also Dabo had a game a month+ after our last game.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Or TVD doesn’t care and only wants NIL?

Nope. Not about NIL

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Clemson’s season also just ended less than 2 weeks ago. This could have been in motion since then and Dabo was just waiting for TCU’s season to end. We likely will never know for sure, but they are not on the same timeline as us in terms of staff changes.

Which, of course, is the EXACT SAME THING that some Miami fans (including myself) were arguing.

Let's be made that Mario/Miami missed out on Riley. But don't lie and say we are on different timelines for firing. Yes, Miami missed a bowl game, but both Mario and Dabo are waiting on a new OC hire before publicizing an OC firing.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

I don't disagree with your cost-benefit analysis.

But the argument earlier (not from you, from others) was "not firing Gattis earlier cost us Riley". Which is simply not true.

He should've been fired the second this season ended....PERIOD...There was no bowl game, and not ONE recruit commited to UM because of Gattis....None. So please explain to me what use there was keeping his sorry *** until now???

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Which, of course, is the EXACT SAME THING that some Miami fans (including myself) were arguing.

Let's be made that Mario/Miami missed out on Riley. But don't lie and say we are on different timelines for firing. Yes, Miami missed a bowl game, but both Mario and Dabo are waiting on a new OC hire before publicizing an OC firing.

Riley had absolutely NO interest coming to UM....If he did, he could have easily held out longer.

 

[Cane6]

I don't disagree with your cost-benefit analysis.

But the argument earlier (not from you, from others) was "not firing Gattis earlier cost us Riley". Which is simply not true.

I don’t think we are in a position to say if it’s true or not

However, firing Gattis and finding a replacement OC are separate actions, but for whatever reason, to the detriment of the program, Mario has connected them

 

[TheOriginalCane]

But Dabo went 11-3 and has earned the benefit of the doubt.

Mario was just given the most resources and biggest budget in Miami football history and then had the worst season imaginable. He's burned all the fans' patience.

Benefit of the doubt? Let's not keep moving the goalposts around.

Some people are arguing that the non-firing of Gattis cost us Riley, which is not true.

If Dabo/Clemson represents a more attractive lateral move to Riley, that's the current reality. I don't like it, but there's only one way to change it.

 

[Yoyo82]

Benefit of the doubt? Let's not keep moving the goalposts around.

Some people are arguing that the non-firing of Gattis cost us Riley, which is not true.

If Dabo/Clemson represents a more attractive lateral move to Riley, that's the current reality. I don't like it, but there's only one way to change it.

Yeah I don't think it cost us Riley. I never made that argument. As was said, Mario hasn't even spoken to Riley.

 

[soddyCane]

Give me good news @Cribby or I swear to god I’ll…

 

[htownkidd]

Which, of course, is the EXACT SAME THING that some Miami fans (including myself) were arguing.

Let's be made that Mario/Miami missed out on Riley. But don't lie and say we are on different timelines for firing. Yes, Miami missed a bowl game, but both Mario and Dabo are waiting on a new OC hire before publicizing an OC firing.

I think we are talking in circles but trying to say the same thing. Yes, Coach Cristobal may be waiting on an OC before firing Gattis but if that’s even the case (which we don’t truly know), then that’s the problem. 6 weeks to find a new OC with all of this money and hundreds of options out there? That’s a whole different issue in itself. If that is the case then he definitely struck out on someone, probably more than one…which just brings us right back full circle to last cycle. His process, his need to micromanage and have his hands on the offense, and many more things all makes things much more difficult for him and he needs to re evaluate. This is a make or break off season for him in terms of this hire/what he does with the offense. He better get it right or he thought this season was bad? Hah.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I don’t think we are in a position to say if it’s true or not

However, firing Gattis and finding a replacement OC are separate actions, but for whatever reason, to the detriment of the program, Mario has connected them

However, firing Streeter and finding a replacement OC are separate actions, but for whatever reason, Dabo has connected them



Just changed two words and omitted one clause. Obviously, "not firing an OC weeks in advance of a hire" did not seem to pose an impediment to Dabo in landing Riley.

That outcome sucks, but it's reality.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I think we are talking in circles but trying to say the same thing. Yes, Coach Cristobal may be waiting on an OC before firing Gattis but if that’s even the case (which we don’t truly know), then that’s the problem. 6 weeks to find a new OC with all of this money and hundreds of options out there? That’s a whole different issue in itself. If that is the case then he definitelt struck out on someone, probably more than one…which just brings us right back full circle to last cycle. His process, his need to micromanage and have his hands on the offense, and many more things all makes things much more difficult for him and he needs to re evaluate. This is a make or break off season for him in terms of this hire/what he does with the offense. He better get it right or he thought this season was bad? Hah.

And we can agree on the "6 weeks" concept if it turns out that we hire a guy who was available 6 weeks ago.

Make no mistake, I'm angry about this. ****, you can even ask @wspcane , we talked about the chances of Riley at the UM-GaTech game. He was skeptical, while I was more bullish that Riley was a viable target.

So, yes, I'm incredibly disappointed. But it's also not wrong to point out that somehow, magically, Dabo was not "prevented" from making a job offer to Riley BECAUSE HE STILL HAD ANOTHER OC ON THE PAYROLL.

That's a fact.

 

[Cane6]

However, firing Streeter and finding a replacement OC are separate actions, but for whatever reason, Dabo has connected them



Just changed two words and omitted one clause. Obviously, "not firing an OC weeks in advance of a hire" did not seem to pose an impediment to Dabo in landing Riley.

That outcome sucks, but it's reality.

I don’t know what you are trying to argue here


Clemson’s season hasnt been over for 2 weeks yet… Miami’s has been over for 45 days

Clemsons not firing their OC didn’t hinder them from bringing in QB and WR recruits and transfers