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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
Still here.
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Those of you waiting for a Gattis to be fired...he won’t. The mopes are correct but they miss the point.

If he was going to be fired he would have been by now. That’s obvious.

But if Mario is waiting for some coaching changes after bowls and playoffs the waiting makes sense.

Iowa plays their bowl 12/31. I read they are under pressure to make changes to one of the worst offenses (yeah even worse than ours) after then.

Early smoke was they were looking at Gattis and they just so happened to sign the qb that played under Gattis that made the playoffs.

This allows the appearance that Gattis is leaving vs getting fired and Mario allows him to save face after an abysmal year.

Doing one of his assistants a solid doesn’t go unnoticed in the coaching ranks. It’s a cut throat business, no doubt. Doesn’t mean you have to go about it ****ting on your assistants on the way out.

Just an opinion and hopeful thinking but certainly a plausible scenario.

If Gattis doesn’t leave by 1st couple of weeks in Jan count me in among the mopes.
 
Salt said:
Those of you waiting for a Gattis to be fired...he won’t. The mopes are correct but they miss the point.

If he was going to be fired he would have been by now. That’s obvious.

But if Mario is waiting for some coaching changes after bowls and playoffs the waiting makes sense.

Iowa plays their bowl 12/31. I read they are under pressure to make changes to one of the worst offenses (yeah even worse than ours) after then.

Early smoke was they were looking at Gattis and they just so happened to sign the qb that played under Gattis that made the playoffs.

This allows the appearance that Gattis is leaving vs getting fired and Mario allows him to save face after an abysmal year.

Doing one of his assistants a solid doesn’t go unnoticed in the coaching ranks. It’s a cut throat business, no doubt. Doesn’t mean you have to go about it ****ting on your assistants on the way out.

Just an opinion and hopeful thinking but certainly a plausible scenario.

If Gattis doesn’t leave by 1st couple of weeks in Jan count me in among the mopes.
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I don't get how firing a guy for coaching an offense that went multiple games without scoring a touchdown is ****ting on a guy. You fire the guy and say the results weren't good enough. End of. The day after the season ends. That's walking that accountability talk Mario does all the time.
 
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Ghandi said:
How many coaches were hired after that date?

Any earth shattering hires?
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Not sure about rest of country. But I do know it wasn’t the first time Mario replaced a coordinator north of Feb. Did the same with Leavitt at UO. So for those saying “if he’s not fired yet he won’t be” isn’t correct based on Mario’s past moves.
 
Ludwig would be great, but I would be concerned because I'm not sure that our players could grasp his offense.
 
blushrts said:
I don't get how firing a guy for coaching an offense that went multiple games without scoring a touchdown is ****ting on a guy. You fire the guy and say the results weren't good enough. End of. The day after the season ends. That's walking that accountability talk Mario does all the time.
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I am referring to some on here that wanted him gone like after mid season. What you say is true but not the whole story. There are also contractual reasons for Mario to let this play out this way as well.

My point is that just because he still is here isn’t some slam dunk evidence that he stays.

Of course each week the window of time shrinks. But for me it’s the first week or so in Jan that if doesn’t happen by then we are probably stuck another year with him.
 
Timing is the key variable

Recruiting /ESD

Bowl games

My speculation is that Mario learned his lesson on OC candidates and already has an agreement with the next guy…. At the sametime Mario is very respectful to the coaching industry

Therefore, it’s gonna happen quick, Gattis announces he’s leaving for a new school (Iowa?) and Mario announces the next OC since that school’s bowl game is done
 
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wspcane said:
I think you are conflating two points. Yes, the hiring of someone reasonably can wait until the end of their season. That applies to the interview process too. However, that has absolutely zero bearing on the firing of Josh Gattis. You do not need to have his replacement lined up to fire Gattis. And frankly, as objective and patient as I am, this is starting to feel a whole lot like the Manny situation last year in that he was going to stay if they couldn't get Mario.

If Mario had fired Gattis by now, this conversation would have a completely different tenor. At this point, while Mario does not owe us any explanation or move on a timeline, people are 100% well within their rights to react to it negatively and question whether or not a change will happen. And that is 100% on Mario.
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This is what I started wondering about as well... is this basically a situation like last year when Miami was going to keep Manny if they didn't get Mario. Is Mario big game hunting and if he doesnt find someone that he wants he will stick with Gattis?
 
Ludwig would be a good hire, certainly not the drastic philosophical change that many of us want but I think his feel for the game and play-calling alone would be a MASSIVE upgrade from what we had last year.

I love how he uses TEs and Utah RBs are clearly well-coached.
 
Shogungts said:
This is what I started wondering about as well... is this basically a situation like last year when Miami was going to keep Manny if they didn't get Mario. Is Mario big game hunting and if he doesnt find someone that he wants he will stick with Gattis?
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This is kind of my fear, but that is candidly a ****** way to go about doing business. I felt the same way about how they handled last year. If someone is not the right guy, they are not the right guy. It is not and should not be Garrett Riley, using an example, and that is the only acceptable alternative to Gattis. Just the same as last year should not have been Mario or bust, once you decide Manny is not the best person to run the program. But this year is even more egregious as there are dozens of people out there that are better suited to run this offense with more success in a vision that Mario wants. At least last year you could say Mario, Kiffin, and maybe one or two others.
 
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blushrts said:
I don't get how firing a guy for coaching an offense that went multiple games without scoring a touchdown is ****ting on a guy. You fire the guy and say the results weren't good enough. End of. The day after the season ends. That's walking that accountability talk Mario does all the time.
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Bingo. This guy gets it.
 
Cane6 said:
Timing is the key variable

Recruiting /ESD

Bowl games

My speculation is that Mario learned his lesson on OC candidates and already has an agreement with the next guy…. At the sametime Mario is very respectful to the coaching industry

Therefore, it’s gonna happen quick, Gattis announces he’s leaving for a new school (Iowa?) and Mario announces the next OC since that school’s bowl game is done
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Ideally yes but not Mario's style based on history. Even at Oregon he was making hires in late February. It is important for portal recruiting that it be done quick but hopefully he bucks his own trend.
 
wspcane said:
This is kind of my fear, but that is candidly a ****** way to go about doing business. I felt the same way about how they handled last year. If someone is not the right guy, they are not the right guy. It is not and should not be Garrett Riley, using an example, and that is the only acceptable alternative to Gattis. Just the same as last year should not have been Mario or bust, once you decide Manny is not the best person to run the program. But these year is even more egregious as there are dozens of people out there that are better suited to run this offense with more success in a vision that Mario wants. At least last year you could say Mario, Kiffin, and maybe one or two others.
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While I don't disagree with you and think the way they handled it last year was not great, I give them a little bit more of a pass than I normally would as I think they looked at it as 'we are leaning Manny is not the right guy, but aren't necessarily ready to pull the plug, but we know Mario is the right guy and if we don't get him this year, we may never so that tips the scales.' I don't think that is how Mario is viewing Gattis, but who knows.
 
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Shogungts said:
While I don't disagree with you and think the way they handled it last year was not great, I give them a little bit more of a pass than I normally would as I think they looked at it as 'we are leaning Manny is not the right guy, but aren't necessarily ready to pull the plug, but we know Mario is the right guy and if we don't get him this year, we may never so that tips the scales.' I don't think that is how Mario is viewing Gattis, but who knows.
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I agree with 100%. I also think last year had some outside factors. Like do Ruiz, Mas brothers, etc contribute whatever they did for anyone other than Mario?
 
In the business world, it’s quite common to discreetly interview candidates for a role that is currently held by another. You hire the new candidate first with the understanding that you will then fire the incumbent. It happens all of the time, especially when trying to avoid a prolonged vacancy that could further hurt the business.

Does this practice extend to sports? Sometimes. ADs often send out feelers and conduct interviews in neutral locations when looking for a new HC. These initial interviews occur prior to the current HC being fired (or at least before it becomes public). This is not uncommon.

Is this what Mario is up to? No clue, but I sincerely hope so.
 
Cane6 said:
Timing is the key variable

Recruiting /ESD

Bowl games

My speculation is that Mario learned his lesson on OC candidates and already has an agreement with the next guy…. At the sametime Mario is very respectful to the coaching industry

Therefore, it’s gonna happen quick, Gattis announces he’s leaving for a new school (Iowa?) and Mario announces the next OC since that school’s bowl game is done
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Cane6 said:
Timing is the key variable

Recruiting /ESD

Bowl games

My speculation is that Mario learned his lesson on OC candidates and already has an agreement with the next guy…. At the sametime Mario is very respectful to the coaching industry

Therefore, it’s gonna happen quick, Gattis announces he’s leaving for a new school (Iowa?) and Mario announces the next OC since that school’s bowl game is done
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@jhtheking I got you for disagreeing when Gattis is fired. You can take the ban too
 
Gables Cane said:
In the business world, it’s quite common to discreetly interview candidates for a role that is currently held by another. You hire the new candidate first with the understanding that you will then fire the incumbent. It happens all of the time, especially when trying to avoid a prolonged vacancy that could further hurt the business.

Does this practice extend to sports? Sometimes. ADs often send out feelers and conduct interviews in neutral locations when looking for a new HC. These initial interviews occur prior to the current HC being fired (or at least before it becomes public). This is not uncommon.

Is this what Mario is up to? No clue, but I sincerely hope so.
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That's because there is still a business to run. You can't run without a CFO or a Director of XYZ or fill in the job in many cases. There is nothing for an OC to do right now besides recruit, and he hardly has been doing that.
 
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