James Coley better get it together. Use your playmakers!!!

[Awsi Dooger]

I've started to call it the V Minus offense. Imagine the letter V with the point at the nose of our center, and the prongs of the V extending outward into the defense. We only attack outside the V.

South Florida was the exception. Obviously we didn't respect them at all. We ran stacked receiver formations on both sides, with plenty of permutations, inside and outside. I thought Coley was gaining confidence in his personnel. With Morris' ankle injury and the memory of several shaky throws in key situations, i.e. the late Florida pick that nearly went the distance, Coley has instead defaulted to a physical conservative offense. It reminds me a little bit of Kiffin's strategy in his one season at Tennessee, specifically when he went into Alabama and Florida as huge underdog and strategically shortened the game with monotonous power rushes, because he had almost no confidence in his quarterback. It nearly worked at Alabama, when only some blocked kicks spoiled the upset bid. Number of rushing attempts is vital to winning so I'm never fully opposed or overly critical of that type of thing.

Still, this year I don't think we can succeed at Tallahassee with that type of approach. Our defensive personnel is too limited and their quarterback too special. You have to risk a lopsided defeat if it means slightly more chance of the huge upset. The only play today that looked like vintage Canes offense was during the final touchdown drive when Morris ran a boot action and we had plenty of downfield options, and they were spread out. That play produced the shaky pass interference penalty. Florida State is going to out man us but they have been susceptible to burst plays in the past. Throw away that V for at least one game.

 

[poncho0091]

I told yall, Coley is ****in' terrible. His concepts suck. We threw ONE pass in the in the middle of the field today. We "high lowed" the LB. Ran a curl in front of him and when he stepped up to cover it we threw a dig behind his head. Simple ****in' concept and an easy throw. I don't wanna hear this bull**** about us being scared to throw in the middle with Morris. There's plenty of easy throws in the middle of the field. If you can only run a portion of your playbook because your QB can't be trusted THEN HE SHOULDN'T BE YOUR QB.

The guy is ****in' awful. His whole passing game is verticals and out-routes/hitches. We don't utilize the "bubble-slant" concept. We don't utilize the "smash" concept. We don't utilize the "flood concept". Atleast twice in the game we ran the SAME PLAY TWICE IN A ROW!

And we ran that stupid *** reverse again!!!! That **** was snuffed out. Stacy Coley made that play all by himself.

How can anybody in their right mind watch UNC or Wake's offense and then look at our's and say we're not poorly coached? Gotta be naive.

Not sure if serious. Do u actually watch these games?

Not being an *** to you but I see guys open all game long and Morris just doesn't execute properly. The tight ends run free whenever they go out for a pass and I saw one check down to a rb all game long. ( to Hagens)

Do I watch the game? I watch them 3 times over, focusing on different positions every time. WE DON'T UTILIZE THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD.

Watch the USF game a 4th time. Herb Waters caught a TD over the middle. Allen Hurns converted a couple of first downs over the middle of the field. That game was full of easy stuff. Coley and Hurns on the first drive ate USF up. As to the easy throws you're talking about I'm not sure what an easy throw is for Morris at this point. He forced Lewis to make a difficult catch and go to the ground on a 6 yard hitch that should have been a first down. He had a wipe open Coley in the second half that he missed and forced Coley to make the catch out of bounds. Waters was open for an easy TD. Instead he targets Hurns and throws it out of bounds.

This isn't a new development either. Up 7-0 in the UF. Florida CB is playing off coverage on Dorsett. Morris has an easy completion and a first down to keep momentum going and airmails Dorsett. We eventually get the punt blocked.

We've had 2 games all year that we used the middle. USF and GT. Most who were skeptical of Coley's play calling were more impressed and starting to gain confidence in his play calling. Problem is we went right back to avoiding it altogether after that. Let's also add your analysis is based on 1 game against a terrible, overmatched opponent where we played third string guys.

 

[fincane]

I told yall, Coley is ****in' terrible. His concepts suck. We threw ONE pass in the in the middle of the field today. We "high lowed" the LB. Ran a curl in front of him and when he stepped up to cover it we threw a dig behind his head. Simple ****in' concept and an easy throw. I don't wanna hear this bull**** about us being scared to throw in the middle with Morris. There's plenty of easy throws in the middle of the field. If you can only run a portion of your playbook because your QB can't be trusted THEN HE SHOULDN'T BE YOUR QB.

The guy is ****in' awful. His whole passing game is verticals and out-routes/hitches. We don't utilize the "bubble-slant" concept. We don't utilize the "smash" concept. We don't utilize the "flood concept". Atleast twice in the game we ran the SAME PLAY TWICE IN A ROW!

And we ran that stupid *** reverse again!!!! That **** was snuffed out. Stacy Coley made that play all by himself.

How can anybody in their right mind watch UNC or Wake's offense and then look at our's and say we're not poorly coached? Gotta be naive.

Not sure if serious. Do u actually watch these games?

Not being an *** to you but I see guys open all game long and Morris just doesn't execute properly. The tight ends run free whenever they go out for a pass and I saw one check down to a rb all game long. ( to Hagens)

Do I watch the game? I watch them 3 times over, focusing on different positions every time. WE DON'T UTILIZE THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD.

Watch the USF game a 4th time. Herb Waters caught a TD over the middle. Allen Hurns converted a couple of first downs over the middle of the field. That game was full of easy stuff. Coley and Hurns on the first drive ate USF up. As to the easy throws you're talking about I'm not sure what an easy throw is for Morris at this point. He forced Lewis to make a difficult catch and go to the ground on a 6 yard hitch that should have been a first down. He had a wipe open Coley in the second half that he missed and forced Coley to make the catch out of bounds. Waters was open for an easy TD. Instead he targets Hurns and throws it out of bounds.

This isn't a new development either. Up 7-0 in the UF. Florida CB is playing off coverage on Dorsett. Morris has an easy completion and a first down to keep momentum going and airmails Dorsett. We eventually get the punt blocked.

We've had 2 games all year that we used the middle. USF and GT. Most who were skeptical of Coley's play calling were more impressed and starting to gain confidence in his play calling. Problem is we went right back to avoiding it altogether after that. Let's also add your analysis is based on 1 game against a terrible, overmatched opponent where we played third string guys.

Middle of the field. Has not using the middle of the field kept us from moving the football? Wake Forest was the only team not named a healthy Florida otherwise known as "the best defense in college football when healthy" to keep us south of 500 yards and the number was 391 today. We attacked the middle a number of times against Florida and I'm pretty sure each time we were inches away from a pick.

Is his job to put up points and yards and wins or to do it in a way some people find most appealing? Did we not score points against UNC because of turnovers or James Coley's lack of attacking the middle of the field? When Stephen Morris can start to consistently hit the easy throw then I'll look at Coley's "poor scheme". Mark Whipple loved attacking the middle of the field with a broken QB with bad mechanics and the inability to read a defense. That was lovely.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Lulz at this thread. Everyone was complaining about Fisch last year. Remember the great offense we had that would start hot, then **** itself for 2 1/2 quarters only to get hot again towards the end of the 4th quarter? Sure we may have put up big numbers, but we were putting up big numbers this season as well before the last 2 games. This is not a James Coley problem. This is a QB problem. If your QB doesn't have pocket presence, can't read a defense and locks in on his first option then how many options do you have. I'm not fully sold on Coley yet, but to blame him when you have a mentally shot QB is misguided.

I agree with your post, however, we had over 500 yards last week...those are pretty big numbers.

 

[SFbayCane]

I dont know why this is a huge surprise to anyone. This is only the second year in coach Coley's career that he's actually called plays (the other being his one year at FIU under Mario). He's learning on the job here, which is something we've seen fail at UM before. Coley has always been highly regarded as a recruiter but never even thought of as an OC.

 

[SFbayCane]

I never complained about coach Fisch. I was a big fan of his. He made both Jacory and Morris look competent. no OC before or since has accomplished that.

 

[NVA CANE]

Lulz at this thread. Everyone was complaining about Fisch last year. Remember the great offense we had that would start hot, then **** itself for 2 1/2 quarters only to get hot again towards the end of the 4th quarter? Sure we may have put up big numbers, but we were putting up big numbers this season as well before the last 2 games. This is not a James Coley problem. This is a QB problem. If your QB doesn't have pocket presence, can't read a defense and locks in on his first option then how many options do you have. I'm not fully sold on Coley yet, but to blame him when you have a mentally shot QB is misguided.

I agree with your post, however, we had over 500 yards last week...those are pretty big numbers.

We did? Cot **** it didn't seem like it. Goes to prove my point further.

 

[NVA CANE]

I never complained about coach Fisch. I was a big fan of his. He made both Jacory and Morris look competent. no OC before or since has accomplished that.

Agree that he made Jacory and Morris play on a higher level. But his play calling was maddening at times. Our red zone offense last year was not that good and he would get away from the run game too often. Also our offense would just shut down and be incapable of moving down field once the 1st quarter ended. Then they wouldn't come back to life until half way through the 4th quarter. I don't blame that on Fisch. I blame that on Morris, cause we saw some flashes of that problem this year as well, UF being a good example (granted they were a great defense). I just can't blame Coley when I see a lot of the problems from last year to this year. The difference this year is Morris has turned the ball over much more than last year.

 

[FullyERicht]

Just from an argumentative standpoint:

You can't claim James Coley doesn't have middle of the field routes, and then when people cite games with such routes, detractor say "well it doesn't count it was only USF and GT and FAU.". Clearly it's part of the play book.

There are a multitude of reasons he may chose to avoid it in certain games. Has it ever occurred to peopl
e that philosophically Coley believes in running the football? His offense at FSU was a top 5 rush offense last year.

WCD aka Cityboycane, has been calling for Miami to run a spread passing offense for years, guided by local spread QBs. We saw what that looked like with Pat Nix and Jedd Fisch.

I'll take the offensive philosophy that won us 5 titles. Real QBs using play action. It works, it travels well, it allows you to control
The game against good defenses, it helps your defense, and with a QB with elite skill and or a very high IQ will put up tons of points.

Golden has this one right. He's realized that as long as you can recruit for it, a balanced pro style attack is a better bet. He also knows that three star kids from Dade with low football IQ are a liability in this offense, and went to NJ and Cali to get kids better suited for such an offense.

 

[cane since birth]

There have been plays over the middle he ran this season, the ones that come to mind are the usf game and fau game, morris does at times over throw people as we saw in the UF and UNC games, if i dont have confidence in a player throwing in a certain spot, im not goin to call those plays

What routes did we throw in the middle against USF and FAU?

And if you don't have enough to confidence in your QB to utilize the middle of the field THEN HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE YOUR QB.

Well the ones that come to mind is the TD pass to waters in the usf game, then there were the two drops by coley during the fau game, morris is the best QB on the team but he does overthrow a lot of receivers and overthrowing one in the middle of the field usually doesnt end well

 

[canesupremacy]

I cant believe people first blame the OC for not attacking the middle and not the QB. The routes are there. Its the same reason jimmy graham didnt get the ball thrown to him. You cant say he runs faster in the nfl compared to college and that is why he is a great catcher. This is typical american attitudes now. Always blame tge person in power and never the player or student or child.

 

[CANE]

James Coley called a good offense today..... i dont understand this thread?

Dear lord Zone. We on the same page bruh.

I don't watch the same game as most of these guys

Yep. Didn't expect to read this much negativity. Wow.

 

[hoover437]

I have not read any of the post after the first page, so forgive me if this is discussed. However, how does Stephen go from a final four games last year of 10-0 with the same playmakers back, yet he looks like he did against Virginia with the arena football offensive coordinator. I'm smh at this QB play this year. Who would have thought we would be having this kind of conversation after game 7. Maybe there's something to Jimbo not putting up a fight for Coley.

 

[Jassid82]

Some good points in this thread..a few points..

1) No doubt in my mind that if Fisch was our OC we would not be undefeated. He wouldnt have had the balls to put the ball in the OLs hands like Coley did the last 2 games. He would have tried to let Morris win it. JMO. And I loved Fisch. He is the reason that Jacory even got a TRYOUT with the dolphins. Who would have thought that after his junior year as horrible as he played?

2) I dont know whos to blame for this offense. Whether it be Morris or Coley. I think its a little of both. Coley is reverting back to the "UF gameplan" too much. He is calling plays not to put Morris in a position to F up. I agree with WildcatDefense that our playbook looks like the "Dennis Erickson" playbook in 1994 right about now. (About 4-5 plays in the whole **** thing) BUT what has Morris done to gain his trust? I am starting to feel like maybe Ryan Williams should get some extra snaps this week in practice in case things get out of hand too fast in Tally.

3) Its simple, we run this playbook in Tally and we will get run out of the building. FSU will run the exact same defense that UF ran in the second half of our game. They put 6-8 guys in the box and attempted to kill Duke and Dallas. BC was able to run on them so maybe it could work. But if Stephen Morris wants to get his reputation back he needs to play his a$$ off in Tally. I really dont see it playing out any other way.

P.S. - Am I crazy to think our Defense will hold there own against FSUs offense and we will lay out the blueprint on how to stop Jameis Winston whether we win or lose? I really think this defense will come to play and show up on Sat. I am predicting a UF type showing from our defense. Now whether that is enough, who knows.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Fisch was a lot better than people either realize or want to give him credit for.

 

[wushah]

Like most things, it's probably a combination of Morris and Coley.

Morris is just too inconsistent. His mechanics are poor, and it hurts him...repeatedly. That, in turn, handcuffs Coley. The question is why hasn't Coley been able to rectify Morris' mechanics? Is it due to his ankle? Something else? I don't know the answer, but clearly when Morris nails his mechanics, he nails his throws. If he did that, it would open up the offense tremendously. Just my $.02.

 

[Cincycane]

People fail to realize that we didn't have the ball that much in the 1st half against wake because they were playing keep away...That being said we still had over 400 yards of offense. It's just not the way some of you guys thought it would be. Guys were spoiled by the way the offense looked against S.Fla and now we expect the offense every week not going to happen... Wake up fellas teams take away some things you like to do so live with it, we will get better once Morris get his head on straight...

 

[MizCane]

Need a QB to get them the ball. Ours is a dripping sack of llama stool.

that same QB and Fisch had a a field day putting up points and racking up yards... Dont like the offense play calling and some of our route combinations are doo doo

Yea... We really lit up the score board against KSU, ND and FSU last year.

 

[Dwinstitles]

wescored b 4 with Coley...........Its Morris

u guy r retarded

its not Coleys fault SM wont throw over the middle

Its definitely Coley's fault that we are not throwing over the middle, because most of the plays Coley runs do not include a route over the middle. First half, we ran 4 passing plays that even included a route over the middle.

But "u guy are retarded" because Coley chooses play calls that don't run over the middle must be Stemo's fault.

WAIT WAIT WAIT
SO u tellin me that no one runs over the middle the whole fkin game? nonsense, Im sure TEs run over the middle get out of here with that **** cuz that doesnt make n sense. So just 1 team in the country doesnt run routes over the middle and its Miami. seems legit.

 

[millertime26]

some of you fans are crazy the way Morris is playing would you really throw it in the middle of the field ? Coley is doing the best he can, When you see him bring in his recruits and that should change.