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James Coley better get it together. Use your playmakers!!!

DaU83 said:
CANE4LIFE said:
DaU83 said:
Dandycane said:
Need a QB to get them the ball. Ours is a dripping sack of llama stool.
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that same QB and Fisch had a a field day putting up points and racking up yards... Dont like the offense play calling and some of our route combinations are doo doo
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See Im not buying that. So what, Fisch was such an amazing genius and the minute he left, Coley has totally wrecked Morris? Morris is a SENIOR QB with a bunch of starts, so Coley has taught him NOT to go through his progressions, has messed up all his footwork, taught him to panic in the pocket and starting running around when he doesnt have to, and taught him to throw off his back foot as he's moving back?

I dont buy it. Im not saying Im sold on Coley, but Im not buying that Morris' implosion this season is because of Coley, rather the opposite, I think its Morris' implosion that has really limited what Coley can do.
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You don't have to buy it... there's clear as day proof of Morris putting up numbers with Fisch... our offense looks nothing like that.
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As of now we are better statistically than we were last year. Personally I like Coley over Fisch. He has shown more commitment to the run game. We've grinded out 2 straight games on the ground.
 
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wescored b 4 with Coley...........Its Morris

u guy r retarded

its not Coleys fault SM wont throw over the middle
 
canesglory said:
WildcatDefense said:
I told yall, Coley is ****in' terrible. His concepts suck. We threw ONE pass in the in the middle of the field today. We "high lowed" the LB. Ran a curl in front of him and when he stepped up to cover it we threw a dig behind his head. Simple ****in' concept and an easy throw. I don't wanna hear this bull**** about us being scared to throw in the middle with Morris. There's plenty of easy throws in the middle of the field. If you can only run a portion of your playbook because your QB can't be trusted THEN HE SHOULDN'T BE YOUR QB.

The guy is ****in' awful. His whole passing game is verticals and out-routes/hitches. We don't utilize the "bubble-slant" concept. We don't utilize the "smash" concept. We don't utilize the "flood concept". Atleast twice in the game we ran the SAME PLAY TWICE IN A ROW!

And we ran that stupid *** reverse again!!!! That **** was snuffed out. Stacy Coley made that play all by himself.

How can anybody in their right mind watch UNC or Wake's offense and then look at our's and say we're not poorly coached? Gotta be naive.
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Not sure if serious. Do u actually watch these games?

Not being an *** to you but I see guys open all game long and Morris just doesn't execute properly. The tight ends run free whenever they go out for a pass and I saw one check down to a rb all game long. ( to Hagens)
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man you saw guys open running corner routes, as WildCat said we are not running routes over the middle of the field. We just aren't and it's annoying as ****.
 
Dwinstitles said:
wescored b 4 with Coley...........Its Morris

u guy r retarded

its not Coleys fault SM wont throw over the middle
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Its definitely Coley's fault that we are not throwing over the middle, because most of the plays Coley runs do not include a route over the middle. First half, we ran 4 passing plays that even included a route over the middle.

But "u guy are retarded" because Coley chooses play calls that don't run over the middle must be Stemo's fault.
 
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canesglory said:
WildcatDefense said:
I told yall, Coley is ******' terrible. His concepts suck. We threw ONE pass in the in the middle of the field today. We "high lowed" the LB. Ran a curl in front of him and when he stepped up to cover it we threw a dig behind his head. Simple ******' concept and an easy throw. I don't wanna hear this bull**** about us being scared to throw in the middle with Morris. There's plenty of easy throws in the middle of the field. If you can only run a portion of your playbook because your QB can't be trusted THEN HE SHOULDN'T BE YOUR QB.

The guy is ******' awful. His whole passing game is verticals and out-routes/hitches. We don't utilize the "bubble-slant" concept. We don't utilize the "smash" concept. We don't utilize the "flood concept". Atleast twice in the game we ran the SAME PLAY TWICE IN A ROW!

And we ran that stupid *** reverse again!!!! That **** was snuffed out. Stacy Coley made that play all by himself.

How can anybody in their right mind watch UNC or Wake's offense and then look at our's and say we're not poorly coached? Gotta be naive.
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Not sure if serious. Do u actually watch these games?

Not being an *** to you but I see guys open all game long and Morris just doesn't execute properly. The tight ends run free whenever they go out for a pass and I saw one check down to a rb all game long. ( to Hagens)
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Do I watch the game? I watch them 3 times over, focusing on different positions every time. WE DON'T UTILIZE THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD.
 
Maybe he didnt call plays over the middle bcs most of morris's interceptions were over the middle, morris needs to learn to read the defense plain and simple, he was missing open guys all day
 
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Honestly...it's ******' alarming to me how many people can't understand how a good OC can make a QB look stellar if he uses the right concepts. The QB's we've faced the past couple weeks don't have half the talent of Morris yet they performed surgery on our defense at times.

I don't wanna hear this garbage about how Morris is scared to throw over the middle of the field or how Coley is handcuffed. That's bull****. Morris is scared to throw in the middle but he'll throw deep into double coverage? We're not using the middle of the field. We're not attacking it at all. Everything on this offense is vertical and outside. It's almost identical to Miramar's passing offense. LOL (Matter of fact, didn't Coley coach in South Florida? That explains everything.)

Coley's offense shows no imagination. And forget the concepts (which are non-existent), the play-calls themselves often suck and make little sense.

Somebody show me slants. Show me digs. Show me stick routes. Show anything in the middle of the field. How 'bout a little hitch route inside of the LB's. Show me the quick easy throws. Matter of fact, go all the way back to the Spring game to prove your point. I'll wait.
 
zone3cane said:
porterhouse77 said:
zone3cane said:
dwreck27 said:
A QB like price who Dosent kill drives and completes dink dunk passes for 5-7 yes at a time would be great
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lol so you want Price over Stephen Morris, hilarious.

Price did throw that interception on the last drive right? smh
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I wouldn't take Price over Morris, but I would take Bryn Renner at UNC over him.
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Bryn Renner is the QB of a 2-5 team.... GOOD CHOICE.
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So by your logic you'd rather have Tim tebow than tony romo, you know cuz he's a winner?

The kinds of throws that Renner makes routinely are the ones that Stephen misses...and misses a lot. It's all or nothing with Morris. While our defense may not be elite talent, our offense is pretty darn close, it's just missing the cerebral trigger man. Renner can go through multiple progressions and read coverages, I'm sorry after watching Morris for this long...he doesn't have that.
 
There have been plays over the middle he ran this season, the ones that come to mind are the usf game and fau game, morris does at times over throw people as we saw in the UF and UNC games, if i dont have confidence in a player throwing in a certain spot, im not goin to call those plays
 
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A good offense? Are you for real? Did you watch the game? We played wake forest today. Not Alabama. Get a freakin clue.
 
cane since birth said:
There have been plays over the middle he ran this season, the ones that come to mind are the usf game and fau game, morris does at times over throw people as we saw in the UF and UNC games, if i dont have confidence in a player throwing in a certain spot, im not goin to call those plays
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What routes did we throw in the middle against USF and FAU?

And if you don't have enough to confidence in your QB to utilize the middle of the field THEN HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE YOUR QB.
 
Can't blame coley. That's foolish. It's all mental with Morris. When you're worried bout getting your ankle injured again. You sacrifice technique hence the throws off his back foot and sailing & errant throws. Just my opinion, coley play calling is handcuffed with Morris inconsistency hence the runs and dink and donk throws. Sprinkled with the occasion bombs
 
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Lulz at this thread. Everyone was complaining about Fisch last year. Remember the great offense we had that would start hot, then **** itself for 2 1/2 quarters only to get hot again towards the end of the 4th quarter? Sure we may have put up big numbers, but we were putting up big numbers this season as well before the last 2 games. This is not a James Coley problem. This is a QB problem. If your QB doesn't have pocket presence, can't read a defense and locks in on his first option then how many options do you have. I'm not fully sold on Coley yet, but to blame him when you have a mentally shot QB is misguided.
 
Some of these posters are clueless! Morris is handicapping the OC's! Anybody that watches the games can see that.
 
cane since birth said:
There have been plays over the middle he ran this season, the ones that come to mind are the usf game and fau game, morris does at times over throw people as we saw in the UF and UNC games, if i dont have confidence in a player throwing in a certain spot, im not goin to call those plays
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So you're using games against 2 horrible opponents that our 3rd string players got to play in.

This middle of the field thing has been a hot issue since game 1, but people seem to be confused over whether its playcalling or the QB which is why I made sure to really pay attention to the receiver routes today, and I'll be watching in every game for the rest of the season. After watching today's game, I saw very few receivers run routes toward the middle of the field on passing plays.

To say you don't have confidence in a player to make that play is one thing, but to completely neuter your offensive ability by not being able to use the field that is given to you is just stupid. Even if the read progression has the middle field receiver as a last resort, you still make that option available. Today when the play was directed at receivers going over the middle, we had success.

I know Morris has not looked great this year, but if not for the UNC game, people would not be freaking out the way they are. Guess what people, every QB has horrible games. Peyton Manning has had horrible games. I don't think Morris is all world and its obvious his mechanics and mental game have been off this season, but people need to relax over the UNC game. He made mistakes today, but he is not the reason we struggled today. We had bigger problems because our defense was letting them convert too many third downs and sustain long drives, we got **** ball spotting from the refs, and we missed a fg and a scoring opportunity when 2 plays in a row we could not run for the first down and turned it over instead.
 
WildcatDefense said:
canesglory said:
WildcatDefense said:
I told yall, Coley is ****in' terrible. His concepts suck. We threw ONE pass in the in the middle of the field today. We "high lowed" the LB. Ran a curl in front of him and when he stepped up to cover it we threw a dig behind his head. Simple ****in' concept and an easy throw. I don't wanna hear this bull**** about us being scared to throw in the middle with Morris. There's plenty of easy throws in the middle of the field. If you can only run a portion of your playbook because your QB can't be trusted THEN HE SHOULDN'T BE YOUR QB.

The guy is ****in' awful. His whole passing game is verticals and out-routes/hitches. We don't utilize the "bubble-slant" concept. We don't utilize the "smash" concept. We don't utilize the "flood concept". Atleast twice in the game we ran the SAME PLAY TWICE IN A ROW!

And we ran that stupid *** reverse again!!!! That **** was snuffed out. Stacy Coley made that play all by himself.

How can anybody in their right mind watch UNC or Wake's offense and then look at our's and say we're not poorly coached? Gotta be naive.
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Not sure if serious. Do u actually watch these games?

Not being an *** to you but I see guys open all game long and Morris just doesn't execute properly. The tight ends run free whenever they go out for a pass and I saw one check down to a rb all game long. ( to Hagens)
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Do I watch the game? I watch them 3 times over, focusing on different positions every time. WE DON'T UTILIZE THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD.
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Watch the USF game a 4th time. Herb Waters caught a TD over the middle. Allen Hurns converted a couple of first downs over the middle of the field. That game was full of easy stuff. Coley and Hurns on the first drive ate USF up. As to the easy throws you're talking about I'm not sure what an easy throw is for Morris at this point. He forced Lewis to make a difficult catch and go to the ground on a 6 yard hitch that should have been a first down. He had a wipe open Coley in the second half that he missed and forced Coley to make the catch out of bounds. Waters was open for an easy TD. Instead he targets Hurns and throws it out of bounds.

This isn't a new development either. Up 7-0 in the UF. Florida CB is playing off coverage on Dorsett. Morris has an easy completion and a first down to keep momentum going and airmails Dorsett. We eventually get the punt blocked.
 
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