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Jacob Coker graduating early, potential Miami QB?

Consigliere said:
Next Year's Offense (minus the QB)

RB: Duke

FB: Tucker

WR: Scott/Coley/Griffin etc.
WR: Dorsett/Lewis/Jones etc.

OT: Flowers
OT: Gadbois/Gall
OG: Bunche
OG: Felicano (maybe Tackle)
C: McDermott

TE: Walford/Sandland
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Gall and Feliciano are guards. I think this offensive line is a bit weaker than this year's...a bit of a question mark at the other tackle position (who starts opposite Flowers) and you always miss a guy like Brandon Linder.

That said, you want your QB to have some pocket awareness and that is my biggest question mark with WIlliams and Crow. I just don't know how they are at that facet of the game.
 
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Haven't read through the whole thread but 2 things;

1.Don't want anyone named Coker anywhere near the program again.'

2. Why can't we start a true frosh next year? The Noles are doing so, and may other teams have started true frosh. So why can't Golden and Coley coach 'em up and get them ready?

If we are ever going to be back, we need to quit with excuses running a year ahead of time.
 
Call me crazy (the **** you just call me?) but I welcome change on the OL. For as much as we've hyped them up as some strength of the team, they are now going on year 2 of getting their asses whipped against any good DL. I've had about enough of this group under-performing against quality opponents. I don't know if it's Kehoe's fault or theirs, but I'm ready for some fresh blood.
 
VinnDogg said:
Haven't read through the whole thread but 2 things;

1.Don't want anyone named Coker anywhere near the program again.'

2. Why can't we start a true frosh next year? The Noles are doing so, and may other teams have started true frosh. So why can't Golden and Coley coach 'em up and get them ready?

If we are ever going to be back, we need to quit with excuses running a year ahead of time.
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Redshirt freshman Winston is..
 
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WhatTheHell said:
Call me crazy (the **** you just call me?) but I welcome change on the OL. For as much as we've hyped them up as some strength of the team, they are now going on year 2 of getting their asses whipped against any good DL. I've had about enough of this group under-performing against quality opponents. I don't know if it's Kehoe's fault or theirs, but I'm ready for some fresh blood.
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I agree. That's why I keyed on the OL depth as to what I'm looking for this week. We've got the best class in the country for 2014 so we need some guys to pave the way for them.
 
gogeta4 said:
SFbayCane said:
rudebuddha said:
However it works out we will be starting a green qb next year, which is why I was surprised when everyone was saying 2014 was going to be the year we make a national run.
This is the year. Seasoned, veteran team with talent everywhere.
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Although I dont 'fully' disagree with your point, Ryan Williams started nine games as a true freshman at Memphis State. He will be in his 4th year in our program if/when he is named starter next year. I expect him to get a fair amount of reps throughout this season starting with the entire second half against Savannah State. I wouldnt say he'll be completely green but yeah, Im with you.
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the only problem i have...is when they bring Ryan in they sdo so with a watered down playbook...where all he may do is throw off of play action bootlegs.

I'd like to see him line up in the shotgun against Sav State and sling it a bit like he did for Memphis freshman year.....i may have seen the most of Ryan Williams as he and my younger cuz are best friends...ive been watching dude play since like his 9th grade yr. Doesnt have a big arm, but he is accurate in the mid range game.
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I'll take accuracy in mid-range passing and good decisions if we have to. Big gun is nice, but not everything. We had to shorten our offense to accommodate Steve Walsh and we won a national championship with it. That seems like the opposite of what some feel about Morris, who has a big gun but sometimes is not always accurate with mid-range stuff. Do you agree?
 
VinnDogg said:
Haven't read through the whole thread but 2 things;

1.Don't want anyone named Coker anywhere near the program again.'

2. Why can't we start a true frosh next year? The Noles are doing so, and may other teams have started true frosh. So why can't Golden and Coley coach 'em up and get them ready?

If we are ever going to be back, we need to quit with excuses running a year ahead of time.
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Lets watch what happens in three weeks when the freshman QB from FSU goes into Clemson for a night game.

Yes, things are changing w/r/t the QB position. Kids are graduating high school more ready to compete at QB. (high school offenses are better now, the advent of the 7 on 7 summer programs, etc.). That said, freshman still struggle more than older QBs when playing elite level competition.

Again, if the QB battle is CLOSE, Im favor Ryan Williams. If one of the youngins straight up wins the spring/summer battle, then by all means, toss em in the fire without seasoning.
 
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SFbayCane said:
VinnDogg said:
Haven't read through the whole thread but 2 things;

1.Don't want anyone named Coker anywhere near the program again.'

2. Why can't we start a true frosh next year? The Noles are doing so, and may other teams have started true frosh. So why can't Golden and Coley coach 'em up and get them ready?

If we are ever going to be back, we need to quit with excuses running a year ahead of time.
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Lets watch what happens in three weeks when the freshman QB from FSU goes into Clemson for a night game.

Yes, things are changing w/r/t the QB position. Kids are graduating high school more ready to compete at QB. (high school offenses are better now, the advent of the 7 on 7 summer programs, etc.). That said, freshman still struggle more than older QBs when playing elite level competition.

Again, if the QB battle is CLOSE, Im favor Ryan Williams. If one of the youngins straight up wins the spring/summer battle, then by all means, toss em in the fire without seasoning.
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I'd think the opposite, if the battle is close, give it to the younger guy who still has time to develop. I'm not fundamentally opposed to a 2 QB system where both guys are getting a lot of burn. Maybe against elite competition narrow it down to 1, but in the ACC, we should have 7-8 relatively wins every year once we are operating at our peak. Obviously have a ways to go to get there, but no reason to ever win less than 8 against our comp.
 
BlackKeysFan said:
SFbayCane said:
VinnDogg said:
Haven't read through the whole thread but 2 things;

1.Don't want anyone named Coker anywhere near the program again.'

2. Why can't we start a true frosh next year? The Noles are doing so, and may other teams have started true frosh. So why can't Golden and Coley coach 'em up and get them ready?

If we are ever going to be back, we need to quit with excuses running a year ahead of time.
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Lets watch what happens in three weeks when the freshman QB from FSU goes into Clemson for a night game.

Yes, things are changing w/r/t the QB position. Kids are graduating high school more ready to compete at QB. (high school offenses are better now, the advent of the 7 on 7 summer programs, etc.). That said, freshman still struggle more than older QBs when playing elite level competition.

Again, if the QB battle is CLOSE, Im favor Ryan Williams. If one of the youngins straight up wins the spring/summer battle, then by all means, toss em in the fire without seasoning.
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I'd think the opposite, if the battle is close, give it to the younger guy who still has time to develop. I'm not fundamentally opposed to a 2 QB system where both guys are getting a lot of burn. Maybe against elite competition narrow it down to 1, but in the ACC, we should have 7-8 relatively wins every year once we are operating at our peak. Obviously have a ways to go to get there, but no reason to ever win less than 8 against our comp.
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Im normally of the same opinion that you stated in bold. In this application Im breaking from that mindset.

Please note my specific take here: I believe Ryan Williams will BEGIN THE 2014 SEASON as the starting QB. It will be up to him to see how long he holds the job. I believe we go into Lincoln on week 3. We will play two patsies in weeks 1 and 2. If I had to guess, I'd guess that Williams starts thru game 3 @ Nebraska. We'll know more then.


Also make note that 2014 starts the final four national championship format, so dropping a game isnt as critical as in years past.
 
WhatTheHell said:
Call me crazy (the **** you just call me?) but I welcome change on the OL. For as much as we've hyped them up as some strength of the team, they are now going on year 2 of getting their asses whipped against any good DL. I've had about enough of this group under-performing against quality opponents. I don't know if it's Kehoe's fault or theirs, but I'm ready for some fresh blood.
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The problem with that is two of our BEST linemen are graduating, everyone else is coming back.

Gadbois and Gall LOOK the part, it will be interesting to see how they do.

Also think there's a chance young McDermott gets some time at RT as a true frosh. That kid is a beast.
 
Ernie McCracken said:
That said, you want your QB to have some pocket awareness and that is my biggest question mark with WIlliams and Crow. I just don't know how they are at that facet of the game.
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The more I watch successful QBs, the more I think that pocket awareness and the ability to remain poised under blitz/collapsing pocket is the earmark of very good QBs.
 
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Consigliere said:
Next Year's Offense (minus the QB)

RB: Duke

FB: Tucker

WR: Scott/Coley/Griffin etc.
WR: Dorsett/Lewis/Jones etc.

OT: Flowers
OT: Gadbois/Gall
OG: Bunche
OG: Felicano (maybe Tackle)
C: McDermott

TE: Walford/Sandland
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I'd be shocked if Isadora wasn't starting at one of the guard spots. He would've been our 6th or 7th OLineman this year.
 
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AlexCane said:
Ernie McCracken said:
That said, you want your QB to have some pocket awareness and that is my biggest question mark with WIlliams and Crow. I just don't know how they are at that facet of the game.
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The more I watch successful QBs, the more I think that pocket awareness and the ability to remain poised under blitz/collapsing pocket is the earmark of very good QBs.
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True story: When Butch Davis recruited Ken Dorsey, the kid did not have many offers. The one thing that stood out to Butch and his keen recruiting eye was one stat - Ken Dorsey hadn't been sacked one time throughout high school.

That told Butch that either Dorsey had an amazing offensive line in high school, or the kid had a knack for knowing when to get rid of the ball.

The kid got an offer, and the rest is history.
 
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CanEs4life04 said:
Consigliere said:
Next Year's Offense (minus the QB)

RB: Duke

FB: Tucker

WR: Scott/Coley/Griffin etc.
WR: Dorsett/Lewis/Jones etc.

OT: Flowers
OT: Gadbois/Gall
OG: Bunche
OG: Felicano (maybe Tackle)
C: McDermott

TE: Walford/Sandland
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I'd be shocked if Isadora wasn't starting at one of the guard spots. He would've been our 6th or 7th OLineman this year.
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I agree with Isadora being up there at guard but it depends more on Felicano and Bunche, where are they playing. Also, Isidora is injured so maybe Gall can get there faster.

OT: Flowers
OT: Felicano
OG: Isidora/Gall
OG: Bunche
C: McDermott

or

OT: Flowers
OT: Bunche/Gadbois
OG: Isidora/Gall
OG: Felicano
C: McDermott
 
AlexCane said:
So now we're comparing Manning and Ryan Williams?
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Wake up. Don't be a simpleton. The dude made Williams' throwing spirals consistently an issue. We're comparing the importance of throwing consistent spirals and looking pretty.
 
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