Golden Slurpers vs Golden Haters

[dk72]

I don't hate Golden. I just don't want him as coach of UM.

I do however hate Shalala.

So you want a highly-regarded coach fired, and you hate someone who is widely regarded as one of the better university presidents around, and who was a major player in fighting back against the NCAA witch hunt. Got it. You're clueless.

 

[cane33]

Goldens here for 3 more at minimum. This thread is premature. Maybe middle of year 5.

3 more years of losing to Duke. Yay.

 

[Miami82]

What will it take for these two camps to shake hands and come to some kind of agreement so that this isn't the longest offseason in the history of football offseasons?

What's it going to be?

Why can't there be some middle ground?

Why does everyone either love Golden or loathe Golden?

There is a middle ground, and the vast majority of us are in it. The problem is that the "Slurpers" side has an agenda and labels everyone a "Hater" if you don't agree with them. It's right out of the Trolling 101 handbook.

 

[Miami82]

Not true at all.
The players, particularly the seniors, were a big reason for the defensive performance.
This argument is still TBD.

You also said we would have a Top 30 defense that would break records for a defensive turnaround. Your opinion is a joke.

These dumb MF'ers said this **** last year as well.

 

[Miami82]

LOL, the usual suspects trotting out the same dried up excuses...3 more years, just wait till he gets his recruits in here.

 

[sebastian91]

What will it take for these two camps to shake hands and come to some kind of agreement so that this isn't the longest offseason in the history of football offseasons?

What's it going to be?

Why can't there be some middle ground?

Why does everyone either love Golden or loathe Golden?

There is a middle ground, and the vast majority of us are in it. The problem is that the "Slurpers" side has an agenda and labels everyone a "Hater" if you don't agree with them. It's right out of the Trolling 101 handbook.

Plagiarism. At least cite the source.

 

[Ned_Zawalski]

LOL, the usual suspects trotting out the same dried up excuses...3 more years, just wait till he gets his recruits in here.

So you don't think we're getting better?

 

[poncho0091]

Why is everyone's solution to fire Donofrio? How about we give the guy a chance to play guys they recruited for the system they want to implement instead these jags that they felt compelled to play because how they stuck with the team and were good sports through it all.
And why are we not allowing them the opportunity to correct the mistakes they've made. 3 years in and I'm sure they learned a lot. Golden and Donofrio are not dumb contrary to popular belief. Maybe they came in a little to sure of themselves and their system that worked for them at Temple but maybe they also have it in them to tweak it some.

Probably for the same reason people wanted Randy out in his 4th year.

 

[poncho0091]

I'm an advocate of Al Golden. Even if he doesn't bring this team back to greatness, I appreciate his loyalty to the "U" and to the players even after the administration deceitfully failed to mention the Shapiro scandal -- but ultimately, I am already sold on his ability to have Frank Beamer-Like Results i.e. perpetual 10 game winning seasons and the occasional BCS game -- here's to hoping he can take us a step further...

If you don't have faith in this regime, root for whoever wins the national championship in any given year -- the rest of us are sick of your constant complaining and whining.

We haven't had a 10 win season yet and you are already sold on his ability to have Frank Beamer like results of consistent 10 win season? This is why people are fighting over the issue so much.

 

[poncho0091]

LOL, the usual suspects trotting out the same dried up excuses...3 more years, just wait till he gets his recruits in here.

So you don't think we're getting better?

It's honestly hard to say. Our schedule is significantly weaker this year than the previous year. If this year's team played last year we'd still be a 6-7 win imo.

 

[Miami82]

LOL, the usual suspects trotting out the same dried up excuses...3 more years, just wait till he gets his recruits in here.

So you don't think we're getting better?

**** no. Did you actually watch this season?

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Why is everyone's solution to fire Donofrio? How about we give the guy a chance to play guys they recruited for the system they want to implement instead these jags that they felt compelled to play because how they stuck with the team and were good sports through it all.
And why are we not allowing them the opportunity to correct the mistakes they've made. 3 years in and I'm sure they learned a lot. Golden and Donofrio are not dumb contrary to popular belief. Maybe they came in a little to sure of themselves and their system that worked for them at Temple but maybe they also have it in them to tweak it some.

Probably for the same reason people wanted Randy out in his 4th year.

And Randy had gone through 3 dc's and 3 oc's by then. He also tanked his 4th season with his most talented team and his recruiting was slipping.
Nothing like what we're seeing with Golden.

 

[whoopingcane]

Golden slurpers fill your eyes
Smiles awake you when you rise
Sleep pretty darling do not cry
And I will sing a lullabye

 

[Topgoon]

really cant believe anyone would be so dumb at this point to believe that this defense will get significantly better.

Actually it can get better. There is no problem with the underlying defensive scheme. The problem is D'Onofrio is trying to employ it with the wrong personnel. I don't support his stubborness to maintain the scheme he wants despite the lack of quality, athletic players to employ it. It's wrong. But to say the defense could not be successful with the right players is incorrect.

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Unfortunately, the "right" players for this to work would have to come from the NFL.

Let's say this again..... the teams that pasted us for 500+ yds came nowhere near that against teams WITH MUCH LESS TALENT THAN OURS. Imagine how much yardage we would have given up with....say... Western Carolina University's defensive roster and this defensive scheme.

It would appear that this defensive philosophy needs mostly first round draft picks to succeed. We don't have that, so why continue to try to make it work?

I'd bet the ranch that if we had swapped coaching staffs with FSU, they would have lost a couple of games this year.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

I'm a slurper as well. You can't understate the cloud over the program. He took a program that was bottomed out, and has built a great foundation. Nobody can say that the program isn't miles ahead of where he inherited it after 3 years. Undeniable progress is being made. You can't compare him to Malzahn or other guys who have had early success because this is a different gig. ****, after last year we were wondering how Muschamp got his team to 11-1 and a #3 ranking in the allmighty SEC and now he's the worst coach in D1.

So maybe we don't actually know a ******* thing. We are fans so by nature we are crazy. But if you don't see that the program has a clear direction and is in much better hands than it was, I don't know what to tell you. You don't change a culture, install new systems, and build quality depth and experience in 3 years. Its a process and I enjoy where we are right now, with confidence that it will improve.

Al knows all about that cloud. Haunts him to this day.

/splace

 

[FullyERicht]

The real question is will the Shannonites be satiated with a D'Onofrio firing, or does the quest to avenge their hero only end in Al's demise?

(Do tell us, 82, poncho, TP, etc etc)

 

[Miami82]

The real question is will the Shannonites be satiated with a D'Onofrio firing, or does the quest to avenge their hero only end in Al's demise?

(Do tell us, 82, poncho, TP, etc etc)

LOL, sorry troll I wasn't a radio fan. Nice try in deflecting from the issue at hand.

 

[MD C A N E]

Why is everyone's solution to fire Donofrio? How about we give the guy a chance to play guys they recruited for the system they want to implement instead these jags that they felt compelled to play because how they stuck with the team and were good sports through it all.
And why are we not allowing them the opportunity to correct the mistakes they've made. 3 years in and I'm sure they learned a lot. Golden and Donofrio are not dumb contrary to popular belief. Maybe they came in a little to sure of themselves and their system that worked for them at Temple but maybe they also have it in them to tweak it some.

Probably for the same reason people wanted Randy out in his 4th year.

And Randy had gone through 3 dc's and 3 oc's by then. He also tanked his 4th season with his most talented team and his recruiting was slipping.
Nothing like what we're seeing with Golden.

Lol cause Golden hasn't not fired his BFF after putting two of the worst defenses in UM history, he is doing a better job?

 

[NoVaCaneFan]

I hate: Shalala, D'Noforio, and Uncle Jethro.....I like Golden but his defense is the most pathetic excuse that I've ever seen.

if you defend our defense and losing to Dook than you are a Sunshine Pumper

 

[poncho0091]

The real question is will the Shannonites be satiated with a D'Onofrio firing, or does the quest to avenge their hero only end in Al's demise?

(Do tell us, 82, poncho, TP, etc etc)

Well since I'm not a shannonite, this question is for someone else to answer. The problem with those blindly supporting Golden are no better than those who supported Shannon. You people can't take your feelings out of this and look at the situation objectively. Objectively, Shannon got put out in his 4th year. He never had a full team of just his players (year 5 is when that happens, year 1 is the rebuild, year 2 is continue to rebuild and hopeful improvement on the field from the 2nd year guys, year 3 we better start looking like we are on track and the original freshman should be looking like potential NFL players now).

Shannon year 1, horrible as expected with all Coker's players (KW and Kirby). Year 2 was still not great, and lots of young players and busted veterans (Marve and Harris). Year 3, We looked like we were back. The swag was in effect. We finally had a decent OC in Whipple compared to Nix. We faded near the end, but still got 9 wins and nearly beat Wisconsin despite playing like crap. Year 4 immediate meltdown by the team and fanbase as the wheels fell off. Team looked disinterested and we just stopped showing up for every game. Everyone was too worried about their swag and didn't improve. The USF loss was the last straw, a team who wasn't that good and we had no business losing to. Even those who supported Shannon were jumping off the wagon and he was out.

Golden honestly had a free pass from everyone because of this whole NCAA thing. All he had to do was make it look like we were improving every year, seeing good player development and look like we were not a joke. If he could have done that, we could have hit year 4 with no more than 8 wins every year and he would still be safe as long as we looked like we were on the right track and not a joke.

Year 1. Despite 6 wins, we looked much different on the field. I think Fisch did wonders with Jacory. Our defense was decent (with Randy's leftovers) and Golden showed enthusiasm and excitement that Randy never had. Most everyone was happy. Year 2. 7 wins. Our defense was horrible, but everyone understood we were in a rebuild and lacked some talent and depth and were dealing with NCAA issues. Also our offense looked impressive and gave everyone hope that year 3 would be a big year especially with the soft *** schedule we had. Despite these issues, Golden had pulled in 2 solid recruiting classes. Year 3 Most expected anywhere between 8-10 wins. All we wanted was to see that our defense looked like it had improved, our young guys to look like they had improved, and to look like we were still on the upswing. Instead, Our defense went from WOAT last year and showed pretty much no improvement (our early schedule was nothing but running teams, so we could just stack the box, and we still gave up a lot of passing yards). Our offense changed. I don't know if it's better or worse now, but there is potential and we had injuries. Sometimes it looks real nice, and others it looks like crap. Just as bad as the defense though is our young guys do not appear to have improved and some of them look like they've just gotten slow and useless. We have chickillo for example who showed promise in year 1 and has progressively faded with each passing year. We're asking guys to cover way more space than they should be covering by basically giving the offense the first 5-7 yards of the field for free. Then we look like a joke against bad teams. We have become everyones heisman game.

I don't want everyone to be fired. I'm not a Golden hater, but I am concerned with what I have been seeing. We are in year 3 and our defense looks they are not improving. Even worse, since everyone wants to harp on our lack of talent, our players who were looking like they could be something are not showing improvement and in some cases declining. Shannon started with similar conditions to Golden in terms of talent. Why does Golden get a pass for lack of development and in game adjustments in year 3 when Shannon did not. Shannon with all his staff turnover still managed 9 wins like Golden in year 3. I guess if Golden gets 7 wins next year, he gets a pass while Shannon did not even though Golden's recruiting classes will be close to on par with Shannons. Everyone says Golden should be allowed enough time for a team with only his players an worse, some don't want his clock to start until after this season. Shannon did not get that.