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SWFLHurricane said:
No it hasn't...
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When you finish 15th-25th in recruiting but finish top 3 in portal class every year it definitely takes the sting out, that’s all I’m saying. I’m old school so I still think you need to recruit well the classic way, but look at who FSU landed in the portal the last few years...Verse, Bell, Coleman...these are future 1st round draft picks. You couldn’t do that in the old days.
 
DoctorKrazey said:
When you finish 15th-25th in recruiting but finish top 3 in portal class every year it definitely takes the sting out, that’s all I’m saying. I’m old school so I still think you need to recruit well the classic way, but look at who FSU landed in the portal the last few years...Verse, Bell, Coleman...these are future 1st round draft picks. You couldn’t do that in the old days.
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So....

Big Manny is allegedly elite HS recruiter...

...allegedly mid-tier portal recruiter...

...and allegedly sub-par gameday coach (even though his coordinators are responsible for 99% of on field calls)...

am I tracking mopes?

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We byke?
 
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lindend said:
This is what happens when moms eliminates Miami from consideration due to distance.

If you remember, D$ also had both Riley and Scott on commit watch that weekend if everything worked out. Riley followed through, Scott's recruitment imploded after the visit.
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Yeah remember the meltdown when everyone was feeling sky high for the kid and then he visited and D$ was like “Miami has work to do”

It all makes sense now
 
Damiencane86 said:
The original question was speaking to his development of personnel vs comparing his recruiting abilities. But yes, winning is the ultimate goal and if you win enough those details tend to be cast aside.
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Right. And there is more than one way to build a roster. FSU built through the portal, then doubled down on it with Travis back and looking to make a run after a top 10 finish. What they lack in HS recruiting, they’re trying to make up for in portal raiding, likely thinking if they win, HS will improve.

We were told trust the process, wins don’t matter, and now we are being told wins matter.

So…. Let’s ******* win…
 
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Empirical Cane said:
@Lance Roffers

What does your gut tell you on...

- Zo's first full year as Dir, Player Personnel
- Can this new formulation of staff develop and elevate talent beyond their assigned HS star rating?
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1. With Zo in place, they’ve started running it more like a pro room. What I mean by that is they’ve emphasized eyes on players and talking with them in person.

Having to “look” the part is becoming more important than under previous staffs.

2. For the most part, I subscribe to the wisdom of the crowd as being true. Marketplaces- in aggregate- tend to outperform single entities in the long run. Several books have been written on it.

So, with that, my point is that overall, Miami isn’t going to beat the market SOLELY by trying to be smarter. Simply put, you need dudes. Dudes who have that vividness that your grandma could evaluate them. Watch Francis Mauigoa move at his size for an example.

Where you CAN beat the market is in single, individual pockets. The players 15-25 in your class. Emphasize edges, players who have traits that have proven to be 35% successful vs. 30% for their neighbors etc.

When I evaluate a Miami class (all I can do is speak for myself through my eyes), I would often say that “he would not be a take for me” on at least the bottom five players. Sometimes more.

Last year I had zero players I said wouldn’t be a take for me. This year I have one (Juan Minaya, but I acknowledge there is a dearth of tackles in 2023).

Winning against like-minded peers is all about finding edges. Variance will come into play and there’s nothing you can do about it, but having sound process in place might result in one extra key player per class than your competitors without that process. This might not sound like a lot, but can be a razor margin that builds on itself over time.

To finally answer: I think there is evidence to suggest this staff will evaluate better than recruiting sites will (beating the market). Keep in mind recruiting sites utilize offers to shape their rankings more than they do film, which means you are evaluating better than your peers if you’re beating the market.

As far as development goes, I’m not sure I can say I have much evidence that they develop better than their peers. I DO think there is evidence they can develop better than their predecessors. You saw several players take massive steps forward under the staff last year without too many steps back.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
This is where I put my foot down. This is a comical spin zone considering NIL and the stark recruiting advantage we should have with Mario.

Mike Norvell cannot recruit high school players. Like, he sucks donkey balls. I think half of CIS can recruit better.

2020: Norvell’s 2020 transition class ranked 22nd nationally on the 247composite. They had 25 signees and 13 of them (yes, over 50%) are no longer on the roster. There were eight blue-chippers, and five of them bolted. Poor recruiting and poor evaluations ✅

2021: Norvell bump class ranked 23rd on the 247composite. 17 signees, only 9 are on the active roster today. Poor recruiting and poor evaluations ✅

2022: Composite class ranks 21st. Blue chip ratio drops to 35%. Infamous Travis Hunter de-commitment along with Nyjalik Kelly, Trevion Williams, Nicco Marchiol, Aliou Bah, etc. Poor recruiting ✅ (too early for evaluations in fairness).

2023: FSU off an amazing season…19th ranked class on 247Composite. De commitments from Cedric Baxter, Gabe Harris, Keldric Faulk, Rod Kearney. Poor recruiting ✅ (too early for evaluations in fairness).

The dude. Cannot. Recruit. It’s been said ad nauseam, everyone on here makes fun of him and has done so for years in regards to his corny demeanor and vanilla/uninspiring recruiting tactics…but now we want to change the narrative? Off a double-digit win season, he barely scrapes the top 20 and most of his best players are pillaged? C’mon man. Mario Cristobal has no excuse to finish behind Norvell in high school recruiting. None. Zero.
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What Norvell is doing so far reminds me of Mullen in a sense with HS recruiting and he may have more long term success than Mullen did at UF but he better hope that Duffy or whoever takes over after JT leaves is the GOODS or it WILL go bad really quick.

Creative offensive coach that isn't a closer in recruiting for HS kids can end up very bad which is exactly what we went through. They had their best season since 2016 and have nothing but a bowl win to show it. Didn't even win their DIVISION

to their credit, they DID win more in 2022 than I predicted so there's that
 
Jaxcane4 said:
It's been established prison Mike is getting his talent in the portal with a sprinkle of HS recruits.
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Just pointing out the inconsistency of some that criticize every 3 star takes while at the same time praising Semenhole Prison Mike for his 3 star takes. Others are more consistent and I can respect that.
 
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flagator86 said:
What Norvell is doing so far reminds me of Mullen in a sense with HS recruiting and he may have more long term success than Mullen did at UF but he better hope that Duffy or whoever takes over after JT leaves is the GOODS or it WILL go bad really quick.

Creative offensive coach that isn't a closer in recruiting for HS kids can end up very bad which is exactly what we went through. They had their best season since 2016 and have nothing but a bowl win to show it. Didn't even win their DIVISION

to their credit, they DID win more in 2022 than I predicted so there's that
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Norvell runs a badass offensive system and got hot early in the portal, which makes getting new transfers easier. It’s a sustainable method as long as he hits on QB, as you said.

Norvell isn’t a good enough recruiter to maintain a program at elite levels, but can have them top-20 several years with his system.
 
Lance Roffers said:
1. With Zo in place, they’ve started running it more like a pro room. What I mean by that is they’ve emphasized eyes on players and talking with them in person.

Having to “look” the part is becoming more important than under previous staffs.

2. For the most part, I subscribe to the wisdom of the crowd as being true. Marketplaces- in aggregate- tend to outperform single entities in the long run. Several books have been written on it.

So, with that, my point is that overall, Miami isn’t going to beat the market SOLELY by trying to be smarter. Simply put, you need dudes. Dudes who have that vividness that your grandma could evaluate them. Watch Francis Mauigoa move at his size for an example.

Where you CAN beat the market is in single, individual pockets. The players 15-25 in your class. Emphasize edges, players who have traits that have proven to be 35% successful vs. 30% for their neighbors etc.

When I evaluate a Miami class (all I can do is speak for myself through my eyes), I would often say that “he would not be a take for me” on at least the bottom five players. Sometimes more.

Last year I had zero players I said wouldn’t be a take for me. This year I have one (Juan Minaya, but I acknowledge there is a dearth of tackles in 2023).

Winning against like-minded peers is all about finding edges. Variance will come into play and there’s nothing you can do about it, but having sound process in place might result in one extra key player per class than your competitors without that process. This might not sound like a lot, but can be a razor margin that builds on itself over time.

To finally answer: I think there is evidence to suggest this staff will evaluate better than recruiting sites will (beating the market). Keep in mind recruiting sites utilize offers to shape their rankings more than they do film, which means you are evaluating better than your peers if you’re beating the market.

As far as development goes, I’m not sure I can say I have much evidence that they develop better than their peers. I DO think there is evidence they can develop better than their predecessors. You saw several players take massive steps forward under the staff last year without too many steps back.
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I think your "15-25" take is critical and oft overlooked.

Fortifying the lower layers with B and B+ caliber players will help the As and boost the team's performance in much greater ways than Cs will.

They'll be better positioned to get that "margin" play, that stop on 3rd and 2 when a C allows a full 2yd gain. That block on O for .5 secs longer that springs the RB to make the 3rd and 2. The extra 1 yd after the catch where a C drops it, or gets stopped in his tracks.

Miami has been forever now always those margins away from Ws.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
I think your "15-25" take is critical and oft overlooked.

Fortifying the lower layers with B and B+ caliber players will help the As and boost the team's performance in much greater ways than Cs will.

They'll be better positioned to get that "margin" play, that stop on 3rd and 2 when a C allows a full 2yd gain. That block on O for .5 secs longer that springs the RB to make the 3rd and 2. The extra 1 yd after the catch where a C drops it, or gets stopped in his tracks.

Miami has been forever now always those margins away from Ws.
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And we've heard a lot (perhaps too much) about "raising the floor."
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
FSU feels good on McCray?

Lord if they finish with a better recruiting class than us…it’s going to be ugly in here. And I’ll be right there ****ed the f^ck off. Unacceptable to finish last amongst the Big 3 Florida schools with what is allegedly HANDS DOWN the best recruiter in the state.
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Best recruiter but his team looked by far the worst
 
Norvell has been at FSU 3 seasons. This his is 4th. He had 2 losing seasons and a ok one winning 10 games with a bowl game. If u can be here saying that strategy is proven now, man shouldn't be arguing with you at this point. Everyone already seen that uan bipolar. Let them drop 2 early games and yall tunes will change again
 
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