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Wow.

Two crap coaches - Golden and McElwain, hoo-doo'd their respective schools to give them unearned contract extensions, even as they continually crapped the bed.

They couldn't coach - but they 'outcoached' their respective university administrations. (who, with credentials, are supposed to be smart)
 
Who would want this job. Win the sec east twice, sec Corch of the year once, in two complete seasons, and get fired. Whomever goes there is going to be in the worst possible situation and under a ton of pressure. Plus their cupboard is relatively empty at this point. ***** the Gaytes. Would love randy to stay or a les miles hire.

I think a lot of people will want this job. Fertile recruiting ground, boo$sters, good talent on roster, etc

Anyway, we are just over halfway through the season, that’s a long way to go before season end to hire a coach. Do they poach someone or hire someone who’s out of work?
 
Who would want this job. Win the sec east twice, sec Corch of the year once, in two complete seasons, and get fired. Whomever goes there is going to be in the worst possible situation and under a ton of pressure. Plus their cupboard is relatively empty at this point. ***** the Gaytes. Would love randy to stay or a les miles hire.

I think a lot of people will want this job. Fertile recruiting ground, boo$sters, good talent on roster, etc

Anyway, we are just over halfway through the season, that’s a long way to go before season end to hire a coach. Do they poach someone or hire someone who’s out of work?

All you need is to have 1 good season and you can get paid 6 years salary even if you end up only coaching 3 years. That's college football now. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
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They are happy about Gammage bailing. They don't think he's that good.

Just a day or so ago they were sucking his dyck.




Exactly.

Here is the article from the Rivals UF site.

https://florida.rivals.com/news/gammage-talks-gators-and-more

The Gaytors have had multiple WRs committed for three months, and Gammage has still been a part of their class. Oh, but NOW they are "pushing him out".

It's a load of crap. The kid has done nothing wrong to lose his spot. ****, if UM pushed Sitkowski out, everyone would understand why, but Gammage? Yeah, it's just more Gaytor lies and excuses. Kid's been nothing but a loyal soldier for a long time.

And even if the Gaytors are claiming he was being "phased out", what does that mean about their recruiting? That a kid can be a "placeholder" for a year? That UF will hold a kid's commit for THREE MONTHS after other guys commit, and then "phase him out" with THREE MONTHS left before NSD?

Regardless of the reasons, let's show these kids what UF recruiting is all about. Lies, moneybags, and terrible corches.

FWIW, I've previously seen references to Gammage not being good enough for their class along with another guy they talked about pushing out when guys like Lamar Chase committed.They got really ****y. Gammage has been loyal and was there early. If some other guys bail they'll regret it.



Yes, I've seen references from their arrogant FANS about pushing out Gammage, and that was when they still deluded themselves into thinking they would get Pope to flip.

Regardless, it's still a terrible way to handle Gammage, and I think they will lose some of those WRs who are "better" than him.
 
They are happy about Gammage bailing. They don't think he's that good.

Just a day or so ago they were sucking his dyck.




Exactly.

Here is the article from the Rivals UF site.

https://florida.rivals.com/news/gammage-talks-gators-and-more

The Gaytors have had multiple WRs committed for three months, and Gammage has still been a part of their class. Oh, but NOW they are "pushing him out".

It's a load of crap. The kid has done nothing wrong to lose his spot. ****, if UM pushed Sitkowski out, everyone would understand why, but Gammage? Yeah, it's just more Gaytor lies and excuses. Kid's been nothing but a loyal soldier for a long time.

And even if the Gaytors are claiming he was being "phased out", what does that mean about their recruiting? That a kid can be a "placeholder" for a year? That UF will hold a kid's commit for THREE MONTHS after other guys commit, and then "phase him out" with THREE MONTHS left before NSD?

Regardless of the reasons, let's show these kids what UF recruiting is all about. Lies, moneybags, and terrible corches.

FWIW, I've previously seen references to Gammage not being good enough for their class along with another guy they talked about pushing out when guys like Lamar Chase committed.They got really ****y. Gammage has been loyal and was there early. If some other guys bail they'll regret it.



Yes, I've seen references from their arrogant FANS about pushing out Gammage, and that was when they still deluded themselves into thinking they would get Pope to flip.

Regardless, it's still a terrible way to handle Gammage, and I think they will lose some of those WRs who are "better" than him.

Do they get the SFla treatment like we get though when something like this occurs?
 
He wasn't misinterpreted at all. He unprompted brought up death threats in response to a question about the teams performance implying that his job had been made more difficult by fans threatening his family and players. That's not a generalized statement, why would general fan misbehavior be making HIS job harder? Not to mention he clarified in his second press conference that his family had received death threats but that he hadn't reported them and didn't plan to because he felt the threats were 'manageable ' whatever that's supposed to mean. So there's no misinterpretation.



Uh, no, that's not what happened.

First, the "death threats" comment came in response to a question on whether his coaches should get credit for "hanging in there". So the question was about the ability of the coaches to be resilient to pressure, not about whether their jobs "had been made more difficult".

Second, the context under which he was making the "death threat" comment was in a rambling bit about society in general, the level of anger that is displayed, and what is happening out there "NATIONALLY". So, yes, I was actually accurate in my first statement about the vagueness of whether McSharkfvcker was trying to talk about specific threats, or the way that society (generally) responds with anger and hatred in these situations.

Finally, as for whether his "family" had received threats, and whether he reported it to the police, he made it clear in the FIRST press conference that he was not commenting further, and that he had not reported it to the police. He then repeated that in the second press conference, while trying to soften the original comments by describing the death threats as "one or two misguided remarks" and calling the Gaytor fans "passionate" and "unbelievable".

Look, I understand why the Gaytor fans want to get rid of McSharkfvcker, but let's not BS about the situation and ignore the fact that (a) his first comments were vague, and (b) he tried to soften the blow in his second set of comments. Instead, Gaytor fans are trying to turn his words into very fact-specific falsehoods that are somehow allow UF to fire him for cause.





"Here's the full context of McElwain's comments. He was asked first about how his team has continued to fight, despite the suspensions, injuries and everything else. Then he was asked this follow-up question:

Q: Don't the coaching staff, coaches, these guys deserve some credit for hanging in there?

McElwain: "Credit in this business is internal, it's never external. You know, I think ... it's ... you know a good lesson for the way things are. There's a lot of hate in this world and a lot of anger and yet it's freedom to show it. The hard part is obviously when the threats against your own players, death threats to your families, the ill will that's brought upon out there, and yet I think it's really one of those deals that really is a pretty good testament to what's going on out there nationally. A lot of angry people. In in this business we're the ones they take the shots at and that's the way it is."

Not the response I was expecting. I wasn't alone there. Here's the next snippet:

Q: Death threats?
McElwain: "Mmmhmmm."

Q: Can you expand?
"No."

McElwain was then asked if he was "shocked by the level of the vitriol."

McElwain: "No, here's the one thing. You're in the business, that's all part of it. You get it. When it's directed towards your players, when it's directed to families, wives, that kind of thing ... and yet at the same time they know what they signed up for as well. That's part of the business."

The news conference turned back to football but returned to the threats twice more. McElwain was asked if he, personally, had received a threat. He shook his head and said, "Let's move (on)."

The final question was how the threats were communicated and if they felt the need to turn them over to law enforcement.

McElwain: "Nah. It is what it is."
Why would he bring it up specifically when asked about his coaches if he wasn't talking about himself? And again in his second press conference he clarified that he had received threats but that they were 'manageable' when people wondered why he hadn't reported anything. He reiterated that to the UAA when they met with him a second time this week. Forget the fan base, he had numerous chances to clarify to his superiors and stuck to his guns that his family and players were threatened and he wouldnt provide any additonal details. And that's why he's being fired with cause because the UAA found zero evidence to substantiate his claims. Nobody misinterpreted him, you're reaching. Doesn't matter anyway he's gone.



Once again, you are wrong. You are not a lawyer, you don't understand these matters.

There IS NO "cause". Just because he doesn't provide actionable intelligence to a BOOSTER CLUB doesn't mean there is cause to fire him. That is why there is a NEGOTIATION to get him to accept less than his full buyout.

Look, you can choose to dig your heels on this and believe all the lies being spread by UF internet board administrators. If you haven't learned anything from Houston Nutt and his case, you will soon. No matter what Gaytor fans CHOOSE to believe, the case is not nearly as open-and-shut as the idiot posters would have you believe.

Again, anyone who has heard, read, and/or compiled even two of McSharkfvcker's press conferences will be able to testify that the man rambles and indulges in vague cliches. There is no doubt that he will be able to defend himself behind a variety of defenses. First, as I accurately pointed out, his first press conference claims were couched in terms of a NATIONAL culture of fans speaking in hateful terms. Crikey, you only have to go to Tallahassee to find MULTIPLE fans verbally assaulting Jimbo Fisher, and Jimbo has at least won a national championship. Second, the Corch will easily be able to claim "well, my coaches and/or my players told me what they've heard" and that he just reported it. Finally, McSharkfvcker will be able to claim that some of the threats were verbal, and thus make it nearly impossible to disprove him.

But this is the game that Gaytors and SemenHoles play EVERY TIME that a player is accused (though it is playing out in a different fashion now). If someone doesn't DELIVER THE PROOF IMMEDIATELY, then the accusation must be untrue. Setting aside the fact that life doesn't work that way, there is a long, long way to go for anyone at UF to EVER be able to prove that the Corch "lied".

And in the end, are we really trying to act as if the lily-white virginal Gaytor fans have not EVER expressed any death wishes towards their corches or players? Heck, we've been snapshotting vile stuff that Gaytor fans have posted on the internet (remember that awesome Gaytor fan who said that one of your WR recruits looked like he could catch the football "with his lips"?), and that's just scratching the surface. McSharkfvcker could easily request the internet posting history of any of the UF boards, and the admins won't be able to hide behind the defense of "we erased the bad postings".

Players read those sites. Corches read those sites. Things are said verbally. Things are said over the phone (without being recorded). The corches have Twitter accounts, Facebook pages, e-mail addresses. If you HONESTLY believe that Gaytor fans are so wonderful, and would NEVER resort to issuing death threats and death wishes, you are sadly mistaken. ****, there are plenty of fans at nearly every university in the country that get overly worked up - and that is EXACTLY what McSharkfvcker was talking about in his press conference.

Never claimed to be a lawyer, so not even sure what you're referring to there.

But I've shared on here before one of my best friends is an attorney in Gainesville and that's where I get all my information. And he was one of the attorney's counceled before the University made this decision. So believe what you want. If you think any of these issues haven't been thought through, then idk what to tell you. You keep referring to his press conferences when I've already told you the UAA met with him on TWO different occasions and he reiterated that his family and players have received death threats and then refused to cooperate with the university's investigation. LMAO@ hm being able to slink away with vague references to mean comments on Twitter or on message boards. Seriously? That's absurd wishful thinking.



Look, I've got no quarrel with you, I just am tired of the line of propaganda that comes out of Gaytor "sources".

So let me clarify. I'm not denying your friend's connection or insight. I have no doubt that Gaytor bigwigs would LOVE to use McSharkfvcker's statements against him as "cause", but they will fail.

Even the things you cite, that McSharkfvcker said to the UAA, are not grounds for dismissal for cause, as those are private statements.

At any rate, exactly what I predicted has come to pass. Apparently, both sides have settled on 75% of the contractual buyout. UF saves 3 million, and McSharkfvcker can take a job over the next few months.

Unfortunately for Gaytor fans, I don't think there is some "strong" candidate who has a preference for Florida, not an alum, not a prior coach, and not a rising name such as Urban was when he took the job. I'm not saying that UF won't get a good coach hired, but it will likely be a lesser known name who is doing well at a lower level. And while that might work out great in the long run, it is also a risk (see, generally, Al Golden, etc.).

At any rate, if UF delays in hiring a new coach until after the season, I think that more recruits will defect. It's going to take a lot of work to turn things around, and it's not going to be easy to get a good coach at this point. ****, I'm grateful that Richt came aboard to wipe out the stench of Shannon and Golden, so that when Richt finally hangs it up, Miami will once again be a desirable job.
 
Just because he doesn't provide actionable intelligence to a BOOSTER CLUB doesn't mean there is cause to fire him.

FYI, the UAA isn't a "booster club", it is the arm of the university that employs the coaches.



I know exactly what it is. In addition to being a UM alum, I also have a graduate degree from UF, and my sister is an alum. The UAA is a non-profit, and while its creation preceded the creation of modern-day booster organizations, that is essentially the role it serves. It is an enhanced booster club, but I do realize there is a separate organization for the Gaytor Boosters.

And if you want proof of how incestuous it all is, then realize that all the employees of the booster club have official UF e-mail addresses.
 
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Gators did the right thing and cut their losses now. Another year of Shark ****** would have set them back another 2-3 years.


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Smh LOL #AllBite18

I almost feel bad for them... But, I **** sure can't wait til 2019.
 
So UF gunna enter the bidding war with UT over Gruden too, that just will end in Gruden getting a pay raise at ESPN?
 
Uh, no, that's not what happened.

First, the "death threats" comment came in response to a question on whether his coaches should get credit for "hanging in there". So the question was about the ability of the coaches to be resilient to pressure, not about whether their jobs "had been made more difficult".

Second, the context under which he was making the "death threat" comment was in a rambling bit about society in general, the level of anger that is displayed, and what is happening out there "NATIONALLY". So, yes, I was actually accurate in my first statement about the vagueness of whether McSharkfvcker was trying to talk about specific threats, or the way that society (generally) responds with anger and hatred in these situations.

Finally, as for whether his "family" had received threats, and whether he reported it to the police, he made it clear in the FIRST press conference that he was not commenting further, and that he had not reported it to the police. He then repeated that in the second press conference, while trying to soften the original comments by describing the death threats as "one or two misguided remarks" and calling the Gaytor fans "passionate" and "unbelievable".

Look, I understand why the Gaytor fans want to get rid of McSharkfvcker, but let's not BS about the situation and ignore the fact that (a) his first comments were vague, and (b) he tried to soften the blow in his second set of comments. Instead, Gaytor fans are trying to turn his words into very fact-specific falsehoods that are somehow allow UF to fire him for cause.





"Here's the full context of McElwain's comments. He was asked first about how his team has continued to fight, despite the suspensions, injuries and everything else. Then he was asked this follow-up question:

Q: Don't the coaching staff, coaches, these guys deserve some credit for hanging in there?

McElwain: "Credit in this business is internal, it's never external. You know, I think ... it's ... you know a good lesson for the way things are. There's a lot of hate in this world and a lot of anger and yet it's freedom to show it. The hard part is obviously when the threats against your own players, death threats to your families, the ill will that's brought upon out there, and yet I think it's really one of those deals that really is a pretty good testament to what's going on out there nationally. A lot of angry people. In in this business we're the ones they take the shots at and that's the way it is."

Not the response I was expecting. I wasn't alone there. Here's the next snippet:

Q: Death threats?
McElwain: "Mmmhmmm."

Q: Can you expand?
"No."

McElwain was then asked if he was "shocked by the level of the vitriol."

McElwain: "No, here's the one thing. You're in the business, that's all part of it. You get it. When it's directed towards your players, when it's directed to families, wives, that kind of thing ... and yet at the same time they know what they signed up for as well. That's part of the business."

The news conference turned back to football but returned to the threats twice more. McElwain was asked if he, personally, had received a threat. He shook his head and said, "Let's move (on)."

The final question was how the threats were communicated and if they felt the need to turn them over to law enforcement.

McElwain: "Nah. It is what it is."
Why would he bring it up specifically when asked about his coaches if he wasn't talking about himself? And again in his second press conference he clarified that he had received threats but that they were 'manageable' when people wondered why he hadn't reported anything. He reiterated that to the UAA when they met with him a second time this week. Forget the fan base, he had numerous chances to clarify to his superiors and stuck to his guns that his family and players were threatened and he wouldnt provide any additonal details. And that's why he's being fired with cause because the UAA found zero evidence to substantiate his claims. Nobody misinterpreted him, you're reaching. Doesn't matter anyway he's gone.



Once again, you are wrong. You are not a lawyer, you don't understand these matters.

There IS NO "cause". Just because he doesn't provide actionable intelligence to a BOOSTER CLUB doesn't mean there is cause to fire him. That is why there is a NEGOTIATION to get him to accept less than his full buyout.

Look, you can choose to dig your heels on this and believe all the lies being spread by UF internet board administrators. If you haven't learned anything from Houston Nutt and his case, you will soon. No matter what Gaytor fans CHOOSE to believe, the case is not nearly as open-and-shut as the idiot posters would have you believe.

Again, anyone who has heard, read, and/or compiled even two of McSharkfvcker's press conferences will be able to testify that the man rambles and indulges in vague cliches. There is no doubt that he will be able to defend himself behind a variety of defenses. First, as I accurately pointed out, his first press conference claims were couched in terms of a NATIONAL culture of fans speaking in hateful terms. Crikey, you only have to go to Tallahassee to find MULTIPLE fans verbally assaulting Jimbo Fisher, and Jimbo has at least won a national championship. Second, the Corch will easily be able to claim "well, my coaches and/or my players told me what they've heard" and that he just reported it. Finally, McSharkfvcker will be able to claim that some of the threats were verbal, and thus make it nearly impossible to disprove him.

But this is the game that Gaytors and SemenHoles play EVERY TIME that a player is accused (though it is playing out in a different fashion now). If someone doesn't DELIVER THE PROOF IMMEDIATELY, then the accusation must be untrue. Setting aside the fact that life doesn't work that way, there is a long, long way to go for anyone at UF to EVER be able to prove that the Corch "lied".

And in the end, are we really trying to act as if the lily-white virginal Gaytor fans have not EVER expressed any death wishes towards their corches or players? Heck, we've been snapshotting vile stuff that Gaytor fans have posted on the internet (remember that awesome Gaytor fan who said that one of your WR recruits looked like he could catch the football "with his lips"?), and that's just scratching the surface. McSharkfvcker could easily request the internet posting history of any of the UF boards, and the admins won't be able to hide behind the defense of "we erased the bad postings".

Players read those sites. Corches read those sites. Things are said verbally. Things are said over the phone (without being recorded). The corches have Twitter accounts, Facebook pages, e-mail addresses. If you HONESTLY believe that Gaytor fans are so wonderful, and would NEVER resort to issuing death threats and death wishes, you are sadly mistaken. ****, there are plenty of fans at nearly every university in the country that get overly worked up - and that is EXACTLY what McSharkfvcker was talking about in his press conference.

Never claimed to be a lawyer, so not even sure what you're referring to there.

But I've shared on here before one of my best friends is an attorney in Gainesville and that's where I get all my information. And he was one of the attorney's counceled before the University made this decision. So believe what you want. If you think any of these issues haven't been thought through, then idk what to tell you. You keep referring to his press conferences when I've already told you the UAA met with him on TWO different occasions and he reiterated that his family and players have received death threats and then refused to cooperate with the university's investigation. LMAO@ hm being able to slink away with vague references to mean comments on Twitter or on message boards. Seriously? That's absurd wishful thinking.



Look, I've got no quarrel with you, I just am tired of the line of propaganda that comes out of Gaytor "sources".

So let me clarify. I'm not denying your friend's connection or insight. I have no doubt that Gaytor bigwigs would LOVE to use McSharkfvcker's statements against him as "cause", but they will fail.

Even the things you cite, that McSharkfvcker said to the UAA, are not grounds for dismissal for cause, as those are private statements.

At any rate, exactly what I predicted has come to pass. Apparently, both sides have settled on 75% of the contractual buyout. UF saves 3 million, and McSharkfvcker can take a job over the next few months.

Unfortunately for Gaytor fans, I don't think there is some "strong" candidate who has a preference for Florida, not an alum, not a prior coach, and not a rising name such as Urban was when he took the job. I'm not saying that UF won't get a good coach hired, but it will likely be a lesser known name who is doing well at a lower level. And while that might work out great in the long run, it is also a risk (see, generally, Al Golden, etc.).

At any rate, if UF delays in hiring a new coach until after the season, I think that more recruits will defect. It's going to take a lot of work to turn things around, and it's not going to be easy to get a good coach at this point. ****, I'm grateful that Richt came aboard to wipe out the stench of Shannon and Golden, so that when Richt finally hangs it up, Miami will once again be a desirable job.

No qualms with you either, just clarifying.

The issue isn't really the comments, it's the position he put the university in. If he had received death threats, especially any targeted at players, he had an obligation to report that to the university. Because in the event those threats were legitimate and some crazy carried through on them, the university would be liable. The university is obligated to take steps to protect their student-athletes. So not only did he not report anything (the university found out at the PC like everyone else), but then when asked about them he refused to provide any additional details OR cooperate with the investigation they launched. He essentially obstructed an investigation. THATS the issue. So his words at the original PC are irrelevant, they met with him a second time and he doubled down on receiving threats but not providing any details so he himself isn't even claiming to be misinterpreted.

And that's why he's mutually agreeing to part ways, because either way it isn't a good look for him. Either he received them and his actions to follow put the university in a tenuous situation or he lied (and I'm told they have evidence of this) and his reputation will take a serious hit publicly were all those details to get out. He isn't negotiating on the buyout just to be nice, it's because UF has leverage. I'd be very surprised if he gets 75% of his buyout too.

But I agree with your other points. I'm fine taking a chance on a high upside guy because the truth is I doubt UF competes nationally for 3-4 years. I said it prior to this season but McElwain is the worse recruiter in UF's modern history, our talent on both lines of scrimmage is decimated and there's no QB on the roster, it's going to take a while.
 
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I almost feel bad for them... But, I **** sure can't wait til 2019.



LOL... That won't last.

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I think boo$ters got to them. No interviews, no media, i'm staying committed. F all that, Does not smell right AT ALL
 
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Sad day for all of us here on the tears thread. We got a lot of mileage out of that old shark fcker, but it looks like his time is done. I can only hope that whatever happens, uf has to pay the whole buyout and that they miss on the top 4 coaches on their wish list.

Rip McSharkfcker, you will be missed.

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We lost a good one today.
He had a lot of good work left to do in Gayinesville
I'm very disappointed by the news today.

This is true. They're celebrating. But... Lets not forget that just a few months ago these same cucks on GheyBait were talking about how they'd be in the SECCG and how bad Richt is and how McEltooth is better and how we wouldn't be good, in addition to all of the talk about our guys flipping to them. We were the ones calling Mac a corch and talking about them tanking this year. Our commits mostly seem solid. Let's not forget that we were right and they were wrong. We hit it out of the park and those Bîtches whiffed.

It's a sad day.
With the shark fuucker we had a guaranteed decay and gaytor fan agony over the next few years.
Now they will have a glimmer of hope and optimism.
And there is alway the possibility they hit a Hail Mary and get a good coach.
Mctooth delivered. He will be missed.

Should we fly flags at half staff???

How could you even ask?
 
So UF gunna enter the bidding war with UT over Gruden too, that just will end in Gruden getting a pay raise at ESPN?

Do they have the cash after they pay McSharky?

https://www.seccountry.com/tennesse...den-10-million-year-also-eyeing-bobby-petrino

"As reported by The Read Optional’s Oliver Connolly and Trey Wallace, Tennessee officials have offered the Super Bowl-winning coach “over $10 million a year” to lead the Volunteers. Connolly and Wallace also report the Vols are eyeing TCU’s Gary Patterson, Louisville’s Bobby Petrino and Purdue’s Jeff Brohm."

At that price, I'm praying that they or uf get him. What a disaster that would be.
 
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