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[Cityboy4life82]

is in a boot. (Glad to make your morning.) Ben Jones is also banged up and was on crutches (for the 2 people that care about this).

Also, Tano and I watch the live games together and I think he's remarked at every game that "we have a ****ing linebacker [Shayon Green] playing d end." I kind of disregarded him, because at least in pads and on tv and from my vantage point at Joe Robbie, Shayon seems fit for the job.

Well, I saw him today w/o pads and you know what, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

I don't want this thread to devolve into whether the defense's ails are a result of scheme (D'Onofrio) or players. That topic has been discussed ad nauseum on this board. But, next time you wonder why our D-line is getting mauled at the point of attack and being pushed back 5 yards, and you wonder why we can't stop the run game, just remember, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

This isn't intended to disparage Green. Dude is seemingly a hard worker and giving 100%. But, he should be at LB. Physically, he's closer to E. Johnson and Perryman, than he is to Chick.

We have too many players on this team that were recruited at one position, and moved to the "next weight class," so to speak. For example, we recruit TEs to play OL (Cory White), DBs to play LB (Cornelius, Armbrister), LBs to play DE (Green, Cain), and so forth and so on. (And I'm sure I'm missing some other examples.) Sure, it works on occasion (Eric Winston), but when you talk about fielding a physical team, this isn't optimal. I think with Golden this **** is done - as it appears he prefers a big team - but this is hampering us right now.

Those players are built for a one gap scheme. If Randy was running the defense those players would have a huge impact and Miami would have a very good defense. A two gap scheme can make a lot of players look bad.

In a 4-3 one gap scheme cain and green are the perfect size for defensive end.

 

[hawaiicane]

is in a boot. (Glad to make your morning.) Ben Jones is also banged up and was on crutches (for the 2 people that care about this).

Also, Tano and I watch the live games together and I think he's remarked at every game that "we have a ****ing linebacker [Shayon Green] playing d end." I kind of disregarded him, because at least in pads and on tv and from my vantage point at Joe Robbie, Shayon seems fit for the job.

Well, I saw him today w/o pads and you know what, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

I don't want this thread to devolve into whether the defense's ails are a result of scheme (D'Onofrio) or players. That topic has been discussed ad nauseum on this board. But, next time you wonder why our D-line is getting mauled at the point of attack and being pushed back 5 yards, and you wonder why we can't stop the run game, just remember, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

This isn't intended to disparage Green. Dude is seemingly a hard worker and giving 100%. But, he should be at LB. Physically, he's closer to E. Johnson and Perryman, than he is to Chick.

We have too many players on this team that were recruited at one position, and moved to the "next weight class," so to speak. For example, we recruit TEs to play OL (Cory White), DBs to play LB (Cornelius, Armbrister), LBs to play DE (Green, Cain), and so forth and so on. (And I'm sure I'm missing some other examples.) Sure, it works on occasion (Eric Winston), but when you talk about fielding a physical team, this isn't optimal. I think with Golden this **** is done - as it appears he prefers a big team - but this is hampering us right now.

Those players are built for a one gap scheme. If Randy was running the defense those players would have a huge impact and Miami would have a very good defense. A two gap scheme can make a lot of players look bad.

In a 4-3 one gap scheme cain and green are the perfect size for defensive end.

Congratulations! Epic troll job.

:rollcanes:

 

[DapperSlapper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohnfI09nhBc

 

[GhostofVenice01]

is in a boot. (Glad to make your morning.) Ben Jones is also banged up and was on crutches (for the 2 people that care about this).

Also, Tano and I watch the live games together and I think he's remarked at every game that "we have a ****ing linebacker [Shayon Green] playing d end." I kind of disregarded him, because at least in pads and on tv and from my vantage point at Joe Robbie, Shayon seems fit for the job.

Well, I saw him today w/o pads and you know what, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

I don't want this thread to devolve into whether the defense's ails are a result of scheme (D'Onofrio) or players. That topic has been discussed ad nauseum on this board. But, next time you wonder why our D-line is getting mauled at the point of attack and being pushed back 5 yards, and you wonder why we can't stop the run game, just remember, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

This isn't intended to disparage Green. Dude is seemingly a hard worker and giving 100%. But, he should be at LB. Physically, he's closer to E. Johnson and Perryman, than he is to Chick.

We have too many players on this team that were recruited at one position, and moved to the "next weight class," so to speak. For example, we recruit TEs to play OL (Cory White), DBs to play LB (Cornelius, Armbrister), LBs to play DE (Green, Cain), and so forth and so on. (And I'm sure I'm missing some other examples.) Sure, it works on occasion (Eric Winston), but when you talk about fielding a physical team, this isn't optimal. I think with Golden this **** is done - as it appears he prefers a big team - but this is hampering us right now.

Those players are built for a one gap scheme. If Randy was running the defense those players would have a huge impact and Miami would have a very good defense. A two gap scheme can make a lot of players look bad.

In a 4-3 one gap scheme cain and green are the perfect size for defensive end.

Congratulations! Epic troll job.

:rollcanes:

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[Canesfan1899]

Golden better be able to make all those d linemen from this past class develop FAST.

Or we are in deep **** for a long time. McCord and Hamilton need to be impact DE's next year IMO.

 

[Cityboy4life82]

is in a boot. (Glad to make your morning.) Ben Jones is also banged up and was on crutches (for the 2 people that care about this).

Also, Tano and I watch the live games together and I think he's remarked at every game that "we have a ****ing linebacker [Shayon Green] playing d end." I kind of disregarded him, because at least in pads and on tv and from my vantage point at Joe Robbie, Shayon seems fit for the job.

Well, I saw him today w/o pads and you know what, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

I don't want this thread to devolve into whether the defense's ails are a result of scheme (D'Onofrio) or players. That topic has been discussed ad nauseum on this board. But, next time you wonder why our D-line is getting mauled at the point of attack and being pushed back 5 yards, and you wonder why we can't stop the run game, just remember, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

This isn't intended to disparage Green. Dude is seemingly a hard worker and giving 100%. But, he should be at LB. Physically, he's closer to E. Johnson and Perryman, than he is to Chick.

We have too many players on this team that were recruited at one position, and moved to the "next weight class," so to speak. For example, we recruit TEs to play OL (Cory White), DBs to play LB (Cornelius, Armbrister), LBs to play DE (Green, Cain), and so forth and so on. (And I'm sure I'm missing some other examples.) Sure, it works on occasion (Eric Winston), but when you talk about fielding a physical team, this isn't optimal. I think with Golden this **** is done - as it appears he prefers a big team - but this is hampering us right now.

Those players are built for a one gap scheme. If Randy was running the defense those players would have a huge impact and Miami would have a very good defense. A two gap scheme can make a lot of players look bad.

In a 4-3 one gap scheme cain and green are the perfect size for defensive end.

Congratulations! Epic troll job.

:rollcanes:

You laugh but I am very serious. If Randy was the DC, Um would rank around 20th or higher in defense because of the scheme he uses. The two gap scheme that coach D'O uses is not only complicated but requires players who are physically and mentally able to play that scheme. Randy always ran a one gap scheme. Now think about what are the strengths of a one gap system.

If you asked Green, chick, Grimble, Pierre, Cain and L Robinson to line up and beat the blocks of the offensive tackles by getting up field, they would have great success because of their speed.

Now have those same players line up and engage a 350 lb offensive tackle head on while trying to maintain leverage, that is a battle they can not win because of their size. This is the very reason most college defenses dont run a 2 gap scheme. Look at the stars.

Chick 4 star
Grimble 5 star
Robinson 3 star
Green 3 star
Pierre 4 star

Do you think all those players are a bust? Place those players in a one gap system and we would be having a different conversation.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

is in a boot. (Glad to make your morning.) Ben Jones is also banged up and was on crutches (for the 2 people that care about this).

Also, Tano and I watch the live games together and I think he's remarked at every game that "we have a ****ing linebacker [Shayon Green] playing d end." I kind of disregarded him, because at least in pads and on tv and from my vantage point at Joe Robbie, Shayon seems fit for the job.

Well, I saw him today w/o pads and you know what, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

I don't want this thread to devolve into whether the defense's ails are a result of scheme (D'Onofrio) or players. That topic has been discussed ad nauseum on this board. But, next time you wonder why our D-line is getting mauled at the point of attack and being pushed back 5 yards, and you wonder why we can't stop the run game, just remember, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

This isn't intended to disparage Green. Dude is seemingly a hard worker and giving 100%. But, he should be at LB. Physically, he's closer to E. Johnson and Perryman, than he is to Chick.

We have too many players on this team that were recruited at one position, and moved to the "next weight class," so to speak. For example, we recruit TEs to play OL (Cory White), DBs to play LB (Cornelius, Armbrister), LBs to play DE (Green, Cain), and so forth and so on. (And I'm sure I'm missing some other examples.) Sure, it works on occasion (Eric Winston), but when you talk about fielding a physical team, this isn't optimal. I think with Golden this **** is done - as it appears he prefers a big team - but this is hampering us right now.

Those players are built for a one gap scheme. If Randy was running the defense those players would have a huge impact and Miami would have a very good defense. A two gap scheme can make a lot of players look bad.

In a 4-3 one gap scheme cain and green are the perfect size for defensive end.

Congratulations! Epic troll job.

:rollcanes:

You laugh but I am very serious. If Randy was the DC, Um would rank around 20th or higher in defense because of the scheme he uses. The two gap scheme that coach D'O uses is not only complicated but requires players who are physically and mentally able to play that scheme. Randy always ran a one gap scheme. Now think about what are the strengths of a one gap system.

If you asked Green, chick, Grimble, Pierre, Cain and L Robinson to line up and beat the blocks of the offensive tackles by getting up field, they would have great success because of their speed.

Now have those same players line up and engage a 350 lb offensive tackle head on while trying to maintain leverage, that is a battle they can not win because of their size. This is the very reason most college defenses dont run a 2 gap scheme. Look at the stars.

Chick 4 star
Grimble 5 star
Robinson 3 star
Green 3 star
Pierre 4 star

Do you think all those players are a bust? Place those players in a one gap system and we would be having a different conversation.

We didnt have a top 20 D his whole tenure as HC here, now your gonna sit here and tell me he would with our DL?


LAFF LAFF LAFF

 

[CaneLB]

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

If you honestly believe our D would be top 20 right now if Shannon was here

1. Fill tall glass with ice
2. Goto garage and find bottle of bleach
3.Mix
4.Enjoy

 

[hawaiicane]

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

Better, probably. It's practically impossible to be worse than we are right now. But top 20??????????

:rollcanes:

Das what cityboy is saying.

 

[Cityboy4life82]

is in a boot. (Glad to make your morning.) Ben Jones is also banged up and was on crutches (for the 2 people that care about this).

Also, Tano and I watch the live games together and I think he's remarked at every game that "we have a ****ing linebacker [Shayon Green] playing d end." I kind of disregarded him, because at least in pads and on tv and from my vantage point at Joe Robbie, Shayon seems fit for the job.

Well, I saw him today w/o pads and you know what, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

I don't want this thread to devolve into whether the defense's ails are a result of scheme (D'Onofrio) or players. That topic has been discussed ad nauseum on this board. But, next time you wonder why our D-line is getting mauled at the point of attack and being pushed back 5 yards, and you wonder why we can't stop the run game, just remember, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

This isn't intended to disparage Green. Dude is seemingly a hard worker and giving 100%. But, he should be at LB. Physically, he's closer to E. Johnson and Perryman, than he is to Chick.

We have too many players on this team that were recruited at one position, and moved to the "next weight class," so to speak. For example, we recruit TEs to play OL (Cory White), DBs to play LB (Cornelius, Armbrister), LBs to play DE (Green, Cain), and so forth and so on. (And I'm sure I'm missing some other examples.) Sure, it works on occasion (Eric Winston), but when you talk about fielding a physical team, this isn't optimal. I think with Golden this **** is done - as it appears he prefers a big team - but this is hampering us right now.

Those players are built for a one gap scheme. If Randy was running the defense those players would have a huge impact and Miami would have a very good defense. A two gap scheme can make a lot of players look bad.

In a 4-3 one gap scheme cain and green are the perfect size for defensive end.

Congratulations! Epic troll job.

:rollcanes:

You laugh but I am very serious. If Randy was the DC, Um would rank around 20th or higher in defense because of the scheme he uses. The two gap scheme that coach D'O uses is not only complicated but requires players who are physically and mentally able to play that scheme. Randy always ran a one gap scheme. Now think about what are the strengths of a one gap system.

If you asked Green, chick, Grimble, Pierre, Cain and L Robinson to line up and beat the blocks of the offensive tackles by getting up field, they would have great success because of their speed.

Now have those same players line up and engage a 350 lb offensive tackle head on while trying to maintain leverage, that is a battle they can not win because of their size. This is the very reason most college defenses dont run a 2 gap scheme. Look at the stars.

Chick 4 star
Grimble 5 star
Robinson 3 star
Green 3 star
Pierre 4 star

Do you think all those players are a bust? Place those players in a one gap system and we would be having a different conversation.

We didnt have a top 20 D his whole tenure as HC here, now your gonna sit here and tell me he would with our DL?


LAFF LAFF LAFF

With how weak the Acc is this year and how weak our schedule is...I have no doubt we would have a top 20 defense with the talent and speed we have

 

[GhostofVenice01]

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[skyman]

From Gator bio:

Omar Hunter ... No. 37 in the ESPN 150 and ranked as the No. 2 defensive tackle in the position rankings…Rivals.com five-star recruit and No. 2 defensive tackle nationally…Received five-star billing and rated the second-best defensive tackle in the nation by Scout.com

Shariff Floyd ... Ranked a five-star prospect and No. 1 defensive tackle in the country by Scout.com

Easley ... Ranked a five-star prospect and No. 2 defensive tackle in the country by both Scout.com and Rivals.com.

Sooo five star players do matter? When we were picking up these jags guys were saying just coach em up. Now they see the results and we want five star guys, lulz

 

[JHallCanes]

Top 20 defense. That's going to get some mileage and I'm going to see to it that it does (pretty sure GoV will too)

Was a good thread while it lasted though.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

Top 20 defense. That's going to get some mileage and I'm going to see to it that it does (pretty sure GoV will too)

Was a good thread while it lasted though.

 

[DiegoCane]

is in a boot. (Glad to make your morning.) Ben Jones is also banged up and was on crutches (for the 2 people that care about this).

Also, Tano and I watch the live games together and I think he's remarked at every game that "we have a ****ing linebacker [Shayon Green] playing d end." I kind of disregarded him, because at least in pads and on tv and from my vantage point at Joe Robbie, Shayon seems fit for the job.

Well, I saw him today w/o pads and you know what, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

I don't want this thread to devolve into whether the defense's ails are a result of scheme (D'Onofrio) or players. That topic has been discussed ad nauseum on this board. But, next time you wonder why our D-line is getting mauled at the point of attack and being pushed back 5 yards, and you wonder why we can't stop the run game, just remember, "we have a ****ing linebacker playing d end."

This isn't intended to disparage Green. Dude is seemingly a hard worker and giving 100%. But, he should be at LB. Physically, he's closer to E. Johnson and Perryman, than he is to Chick.

We have too many players on this team that were recruited at one position, and moved to the "next weight class," so to speak. For example, we recruit TEs to play OL (Cory White), DBs to play LB (Cornelius, Armbrister), LBs to play DE (Green, Cain), and so forth and so on. (And I'm sure I'm missing some other examples.) Sure, it works on occasion (Eric Winston), but when you talk about fielding a physical team, this isn't optimal. I think with Golden this **** is done - as it appears he prefers a big team - but this is hampering us right now.

Those players are built for a one gap scheme. If Randy was running the defense those players would have a huge impact and Miami would have a very good defense. A two gap scheme can make a lot of players look bad.

In a 4-3 one gap scheme cain and green are the perfect size for defensive end.

Congratulations! Epic troll job.

:rollcanes:

You laugh but I am very serious. If Randy was the DC, Um would rank around 20th or higher in defense because of the scheme he uses. The two gap scheme that coach D'O uses is not only complicated but requires players who are physically and mentally able to play that scheme. Randy always ran a one gap scheme. Now think about what are the strengths of a one gap system.

If you asked Green, chick, Grimble, Pierre, Cain and L Robinson to line up and beat the blocks of the offensive tackles by getting up field, they would have great success because of their speed.

Now have those same players line up and engage a 350 lb offensive tackle head on while trying to maintain leverage, that is a battle they can not win because of their size. This is the very reason most college defenses dont run a 2 gap scheme. Look at the stars.

Chick 4 star
Grimble 5 star
Robinson 3 star
Green 3 star
Pierre 4 star

Do you think all those players are a bust? Place those players in a one gap system and we would be having a different conversation.

We didnt have a top 20 D his whole tenure as HC here, now your gonna sit here and tell me he would with our DL?


LAFF LAFF LAFF

Exactly. That is crazy talk.

Not only with that DL (Larry spells out the talent level on the DL pretty well in another thread) but also playing about 15 freshman. Don't forget the secondary outside McGee are almost all Fr or JAGs at best (VT, Highsmith, Rodgers).

 

[CaneLB]

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

If you honestly believe our D would be top 20 right now if Shannon was here

1. Fill tall glass with ice
2. Goto garage and find bottle of bleach
3.Mix
4.Enjoy

Where in my post did I say that? That's a ludicrous statement. At best we could be a top 75 defense.

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

Better, probably. It's practically impossible to be worse than we are right now. But top 20??????????

:rollcanes:

Das what cityboy is saying.

Yeah I missed the follow-up post from him. Figures...he never disguises his trolling for very long.

 

[Cityboy4life82]

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

If you honestly believe our D would be top 20 right now if Shannon was here

1. Fill tall glass with ice
2. Goto garage and find bottle of bleach
3.Mix
4.Enjoy

Where in my post did I say that? That's a ludicrous statement. At best we could be a top 75 defense.

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

Better, probably. It's practically impossible to be worse than we are right now. But top 20??????????

:rollcanes:

Das what cityboy is saying.

Yeah I missed the follow-up post from him. Figures...he never disguises his trolling for very long.

Look at our schedule and the teams we faced. How could we not be top 20 in defense?

 

[pope7137]

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

If you honestly believe our D would be top 20 right now if Shannon was here

1. Fill tall glass with ice
2. Goto garage and find bottle of bleach
3.Mix
4.Enjoy

Where in my post did I say that? That's a ludicrous statement. At best we could be a top 75 defense.

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

Better, probably. It's practically impossible to be worse than we are right now. But top 20??????????

:rollcanes:

Das what cityboy is saying.

Yeah I missed the follow-up post from him. Figures...he never disguises his trolling for very long.

Look at our schedule and the teams we faced. How could we not be top 20 in defense?

I'm not sure about top 20 D. But we would be in better shape on D. Sorry I haft to agree with cityboy. This team is built for a different scheme. And this staff is still in transition and will be for atleast another season.

An to atleast get back on track I'd sit duke for a week or two and see how he feels. If he is still having issues shut him down. Antonio gates has had so many issues with turf toe, I'd hate to see this become a bigger issue with duke like gates toe has become

 

[DiegoCane]

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

If you honestly believe our D would be top 20 right now if Shannon was here

1. Fill tall glass with ice
2. Goto garage and find bottle of bleach
3.Mix
4.Enjoy

Where in my post did I say that? That's a ludicrous statement. At best we could be a top 75 defense.

Are Shayon Green and Kelvin Cain more JAG-like than Andrew Smith? Smith was like our 5th DE for a couple years and had no size, quickness or skill yet even he managed to produce splash plays from time to time in the backfield. I think CityBoy is actually right in saying that these players would be producing a lot more in Shannon's defense. It's hard to make plays when you're being coached to have blockers engulf you. Shannon wasn't a mastermind DC by any means but at least he let his linemen rush upfield and make plays. Even when we sucked we still were very high in national team rankings for sacks and TFLs.

Better, probably. It's practically impossible to be worse than we are right now. But top 20??????????

:rollcanes:

Das what cityboy is saying.

Yeah I missed the follow-up post from him. Figures...he never disguises his trolling for very long.

Look at our schedule and the teams we faced. How could we not be top 20 in defense?

We weren't top 20 any of the Shannon years at HC playing the same competition but with one of the worst DLs in Miami history and playing 13 freshman on D we would. How can anyone take you seriously?