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gogeta4 said:
dont ever doubt a prop joe kid.






I expect Marcelin to be an early enrollee and hear similar things next spring...because those Central kids are hard nose and coached up pretty well.

Its all about expectations in my opinion. The top dog is Melendez easily...a class with Nix involved along with him is really good considering wont need him ont he field early at all
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People didn’t like Shavers either.
 
Couple of quick hitters. Like the potential. Kids a gamer. At least let the young man get on campus for God's sake.

I've got a 27 son. I hope to heck he's not big time. I'd be lining you all up to kick the **** out of ya lol. Seriously y'all, just don't treat highschool players like NFL prospects. Thank you for your time, have a great evening.
 
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hes a take all day
we need players to fill the roster
i rather have him than walk ons playing 3rd team

flagg was hated bc he was a jag and always a jag
just bc he made one play doesnt excuse the multiple plays he missed
the problem was that we had too may homers that would not admit that he was a jag
and trying hard is not valid, thats basically a participation trophy
its about results
and now that CFB is changing to a much more monetary system, it will be even more results based
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I'm not "comparing anyone".

I'm citing an EXAMPLE of when "height/weight" was not nearly the end-all/be-all of recruiting evaluations.

If we had CIS in 1993, some of these moron porsters would have **** on Ray Lewis as a "reach", both athletically and academically. That's a fact.
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I would have questioned Ray Lewis coming out of HS. I would have been wrong. I hope I'm wrong about Mr. Cheese it.

I'm not against the kid committing. I would rather have a LB with more size and speed
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Yeah, but go back and re-read what I wrote.

I'm not saying Ray Lewis was "undersized" (though I don't think he's ever been listed as taller than 6'1" and Marcelin is listed by one site as 6'0").

The commentary is about people who take a height/weight stat and, WITH NOTHING ELSE, start forming judgments and scouting reports.

I have no idea as to what will happen with Marcelin's height and weight in the next few years. But let's not act like anyone else knew what Ray Lewis would become BASED SOLELY ON HIS HEIGHT AND WEIGHT.

I was enrolled at UM at the time. I tutored for the Athletic Department at the time. Ray Lewis was a workout fanatic. He was not the same size when he graduated that he was when he enrolled.

Facts.
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I agree with most of that.

The other Ray Lewis factor is that linebackers weren't the size of linebackers coming out of high school today. In fact, all of the positions are bigger all around.

I get both of your points.
 
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A lot of blasphemy for a kid who started at a multi state champ at central since a freshman.
A team captain at a school whose coaches literally are very picky on who they hand that title too.
They don’t play at central from practice or game prep.
Flagg was a brick compared to this kid.
 
Linebacker is the hardest position on defense to evaluate. Recruiting services get them wrong more than any other position. (besides QB) Only like 30% of NFL All Pros were 4-stars or higher. The vast majority of the productive LB's in the NFL are between 6'0"-6'1" and most of them were lower ranked kids in high school.

The reason that recruiting services have a hard time evaluating LB's accurately is because measurables don't = better Linebacker. (like they do with, say, DT)
It's an intangible position, and stars don't measure intangibles.

You want guys with high IQ...high motor... students of the game... who can run, strike and play violently. Best LB's I've ever had weren't always the best athletes, but they were all high IQ / high GPA kids.

Height in football is really just about arm length. (generally taller players have longer arms)
But arm length isn't quite as important at Inside Linebacker as it is at Edge or DT. And college coaches will make exceptions on height if the kid's arms are long. (going through it right now with one of my LB's)
Yes, long arms do help LB's shed blocks, but ultimately you're hoping that your defense has stud DT's that allow your LB's to flow freely and not have to deal with O-linemen on a routine basis. Put stud DT's in front of nasty LB's that run and strike, and you're good to go.
 
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Coach Macho said:
Linebacker is the hardest position on defense to evaluate. Recruiting services get them wrong more than any other position. (besides QB) Only like 30% of NFL All Pros were 4-stars or higher. The vast majority of the productive LB's in the NFL are between 6'0"-6'1" and most of them were lower ranked kids in high school.

The reason that recruiting services have a hard time evaluating LB's accurately is because measurables don't = better Linebacker. (like they do with, say, DT)
It's an intangible position, and stars don't measure intangibles.

You want guys with high IQ...high motor... students of the game... who can run, strike and play violently. Best LB's I've ever had weren't always the best athletes, but they were all high IQ / high GPA kids.

Height in football is really just about arm length. (generally taller players have longer arms)
But arm length isn't quite as important at Inside Linebacker as it is at Edge or DT. And college coaches will make exceptions on height if the kid's arms are long. (going through it right now with one of my LB's)
Yes, long arms do help LB's shed blocks, but ultimately you're hoping that your defense has stud DT's that allow your LB's to flow freely and not have to deal with O-linemen on a routine basis. Put stud DT's in front of nasty LB's that run and strike, and you're good to go.
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Well said... I did just a quick and dirty 4 year look back at 247's top 3 ILB's from 2017-2020 and was pretty alarmed at the results. Basically supports what Coach said above that they are extremely tough to evaluate.
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Ziggy said:
Well said... I did just a quick and dirty 4 year look back at 247's top 3 ILB's from 2017-2020 and was pretty alarmed at the results. Basically supports what Coach said above that they are extremely tough to evaluate.
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ILB arent graded high so saying a kid is a third round pick isnt really a diss because ...

DEAN, JACOB PHILLIPS WERE REALLY REALLY GOOD COLLEGE PLAYERS even Sewell who i didnt like much was a good pick up for oregon
 
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gogeta4 said:
ILB arent graded high so saying a kid is a third round pick isnt really a diss because ...

DEAN, JACOB PHILLIPS WERE REALLY REALLY GOOD COLLEGE PLAYERS even Sewell who i didnt like much was a good pick up for oregon
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I agree I shouldn't have made it sound like a diss because that wasn't my intent. Those guys were really good college players. But was shocking how many of those guys had less than 10 tackles for their whole career.
 
FrancisSawyer said:
Maybe not the next Perryman but Zeke Marcellin looks to be a great prospect for that Nickel LB position that Cam Pruitt has been practicing at this offseason.
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Yeah, I was just making a "hype" comment given his height, the two aren't similar stylistically. Agree with you that in the film he looks like a strong nickel all the way.
 
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