Eric Winston On Miami Defense

[Big Sky Cane]

What did Desmond Howard say?

He said at some point you gotta question the scheme and that coaches are paid big bucks to out scheme opponents

Gene Chizik said it was a coaching problem after the Vag Tech game on his show on Sirius. He tried hard to dance around the question because he didn't want to criticize the coaches, but he said it was obviously a coaching issue because there's no other reason for so many guys to be so wide open on so many plays. Chizik's a weirdo, but he was a really great DC at Auburn and Texas and UCF.

yet he was the head coach @ Auburn in 09' (68th), 10' (60th), 11' (81st) and 12' (83rd) ranked defenses....couple that with his Iowa St. 07' (67th) and 08' (114th) he was a terrible defensive head coach.

Yep. Those results (if they're even legit) when he was a HC completely invalidate his opinion on our defense even though he fielded some of the best defenses in the country at UCF, Texas and Auburn and is universally considered a great DC.

You use the same reasons to crucify corch Al. You've also said in this thread:

The Franchise
Ive mentioned a few times on here that Corch Al's supposed strength and background is defensive. And, usually, when a HC has a strength on one side of the ball, his team will perform well on that side at the very least if he's any kind of HC. I know if I was a defensive expert, and my defense was being flushed down the toilet every week, I'd step in and fix it. And if he's already tried to do that, then that shows you what kind of inept clown he is in the x's and o's game.

But I guess that only applies to Al. Chizik's a defensive genius.

 

[CaneHammer]

We'll ithink ibis quad and hammer are the same loser using names

You might be the biggest ******* ****** on this board.

 

[The Franchise]

He said at some point you gotta question the scheme and that coaches are paid big bucks to out scheme opponents

Gene Chizik said it was a coaching problem after the Vag Tech game on his show on Sirius. He tried hard to dance around the question because he didn't want to criticize the coaches, but he said it was obviously a coaching issue because there's no other reason for so many guys to be so wide open on so many plays. Chizik's a weirdo, but he was a really great DC at Auburn and Texas and UCF.

yet he was the head coach @ Auburn in 09' (68th), 10' (60th), 11' (81st) and 12' (83rd) ranked defenses....couple that with his Iowa St. 07' (67th) and 08' (114th) he was a terrible defensive head coach.

Yep. Those results (if they're even legit) when he was a HC completely invalidate his opinion on our defense even though he fielded some of the best defenses in the country at UCF, Texas and Auburn and is universally considered a great DC.

You use the same reasons to crucify corch Al. You've also said in this thread:

The Franchise
Ive mentioned a few times on here that Corch Al's supposed strength and background is defensive. And, usually, when a HC has a strength on one side of the ball, his team will perform well on that side at the very least if he's any kind of HC. I know if I was a defensive expert, and my defense was being flushed down the toilet every week, I'd step in and fix it. And if he's already tried to do that, then that shows you what kind of inept clown he is in the x's and o's game.

But I guess that only applies to Al. Chizik's a defensive genius.

Don't be a stupid *******. Quit trying to be some super sleuth digging up old posts trying to get yourself over by finding inconsistencies. There's nothing to uncover here. Chizik is a HORSESHYT HC. I've never said anything different. He's total garbage as a HC.

However, as a DC, he was excellent. He gave his opinion on our defense, and I respect it because he knows a lot more than you (or anyone else on here) do about fielding a great FBS defense. He also gave his opinion grudgingly because he didn't want to criticize a fellow coach, but he was asked a direct question by a UM fan and answered it.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Gene Chizik said it was a coaching problem after the Vag Tech game on his show on Sirius. He tried hard to dance around the question because he didn't want to criticize the coaches, but he said it was obviously a coaching issue because there's no other reason for so many guys to be so wide open on so many plays. Chizik's a weirdo, but he was a really great DC at Auburn and Texas and UCF.

yet he was the head coach @ Auburn in 09' (68th), 10' (60th), 11' (81st) and 12' (83rd) ranked defenses....couple that with his Iowa St. 07' (67th) and 08' (114th) he was a terrible defensive head coach.

Yep. Those results (if they're even legit) when he was a HC completely invalidate his opinion on our defense even though he fielded some of the best defenses in the country at UCF, Texas and Auburn and is universally considered a great DC.

You use the same reasons to crucify corch Al. You've also said in this thread:

The Franchise
Ive mentioned a few times on here that Corch Al's supposed strength and background is defensive. And, usually, when a HC has a strength on one side of the ball, his team will perform well on that side at the very least if he's any kind of HC. I know if I was a defensive expert, and my defense was being flushed down the toilet every week, I'd step in and fix it. And if he's already tried to do that, then that shows you what kind of inept clown he is in the x's and o's game.

But I guess that only applies to Al. Chizik's a defensive genius.

Don't be a stupid *******. Quit trying to be some super sleuth digging up old posts trying to get yourself over by finding inconsistencies. There's nothing to uncover here. Chizik is a HORSESHYT HC. I've never said anything different. He's total garbage as a HC.

However, as a DC, he was excellent. He gave his opinion on our defense, and I respect it because he knows a lot more than you (or anyone else on here) do about fielding a great FBS defense. He also gave his opinion grudgingly because he didn't want to criticize a fellow coach, but he was asked a direct question by a UM fan and answered it.

Stay classy Chise. I was just pointing out (in this thread....wasn't a super sleuth) an example YOU used about a great defensive coach (your words) that wasn't able to field consistent defenses as a head coach.

So that doesn't automatically mean Al is "an inept clown when it comes to X's and O's".

Now Chizik is not exactly what we hope Golden aspires to be. I will actually concede that Chizik is a good defensive coach and he was a terrible head coach. I actually agree with the premise of your post. I think he'll eventually get the defense turned around because he does have a track record of fielding solid (not great) defenses.

And I don't lie on stats. I looked them up.

 

[The Franchise]

yet he was the head coach @ Auburn in 09' (68th), 10' (60th), 11' (81st) and 12' (83rd) ranked defenses....couple that with his Iowa St. 07' (67th) and 08' (114th) he was a terrible defensive head coach.

Yep. Those results (if they're even legit) when he was a HC completely invalidate his opinion on our defense even though he fielded some of the best defenses in the country at UCF, Texas and Auburn and is universally considered a great DC.

You use the same reasons to crucify corch Al. You've also said in this thread:

The Franchise
Ive mentioned a few times on here that Corch Al's supposed strength and background is defensive. And, usually, when a HC has a strength on one side of the ball, his team will perform well on that side at the very least if he's any kind of HC. I know if I was a defensive expert, and my defense was being flushed down the toilet every week, I'd step in and fix it. And if he's already tried to do that, then that shows you what kind of inept clown he is in the x's and o's game.

But I guess that only applies to Al. Chizik's a defensive genius.

Don't be a stupid *******. Quit trying to be some super sleuth digging up old posts trying to get yourself over by finding inconsistencies. There's nothing to uncover here. Chizik is a HORSESHYT HC. I've never said anything different. He's total garbage as a HC.

However, as a DC, he was excellent. He gave his opinion on our defense, and I respect it because he knows a lot more than you (or anyone else on here) do about fielding a great FBS defense. He also gave his opinion grudgingly because he didn't want to criticize a fellow coach, but he was asked a direct question by a UM fan and answered it.

Stay classy Chise. I was just pointing out (in this thread....wasn't a super sleuth) an example YOU used about a great defensive coach (your words) that wasn't able to field consistent defenses as a head coach.

So that doesn't automatically mean Al is "an inept clown when it comes to X's and O's".

Now Chizik is not exactly what we hope Golden aspires to be. I will actually concede that Chizik is a good defensive coach and he was a terrible head coach. I actually agree with the premise of your post. I think he'll eventually get the defense turned around because he does have a track record of fielding solid (not great) defenses.

And I don't lie on stats. I looked them up.

I must be in your head because you're trying to dig **** up to impeach me on completely collateral issues. Just address the topic and quit trying to find the smoking gun. None of anything you posted has anything to do with Chizik giving an opinion on our defense after watching the Vag Tech game. The guy was a monster FBS DC at 3 different stops. That gives him a little more credibility than a bunch of dudes on a message board when it comes to breaking down a defensive performance.

 

[zone3cane]

They have scholarship players too Eric

LOL this guy

"Duke has more talent then Miami"

- Big Sky Cane

 

[Big Sky Cane]

They have scholarship players too Eric

LOL this guy

"Duke has more talent then Miami"

- Big Sky Cane

Never said that Zone. You must be to young to remember that quote when Eric was a player here after we got our **** pushed in. Dudes a dip****.

 

[zone3cane]

They have scholarship players too Eric

LOL this guy

"Duke has more talent then Miami"

- Big Sky Cane

Never said that Zone. You must be to young to remember that quote when Eric was a player here after we got our **** pushed in. Dudes a dip****.

**** that, i'm sick of u and the rest of the Golden slurpers making the same weak excuses

 

[sebastian91]

They have scholarship players too Eric

LOL this guy

"Duke has more talent then Miami"

- Big Sky Cane

Never said that Zone. You must be to young to remember that quote when Eric was a player here after we got our **** pushed in. Dudes a dip****.

**** that, i'm sick of u and the rest of the Golden slurpers making the same weak excuses

Dude, you were a "Golden slurper" a few weeks ago.

 

[bbcane]

They have scholarship players too Eric

LOL this guy

"Duke has more talent then Miami"

- Big Sky Cane

Never said that Zone. You must be to young to remember that quote when Eric was a player here after we got our **** pushed in. Dudes a dip****.

**** that, i'm sick of u and the rest of the Golden slurpers making the same weak excuses

So what you want to do fire golden 3 yrs in? Yea the d sucks, so do half the players, and yea I think donoforio is not that good. This team has HORRIBLE for a decade (being a fsu fan don't know if you keep up). Last yr we were a 5 loss team. We are not good until we have elite players with depth. Jimmie Johnson coaches this team to 1 less loss than golden. He would begging to go back to Osu at this point.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

They have scholarship players too Eric

LOL this guy

"Duke has more talent then Miami"

- Big Sky Cane

Never said that Zone. You must be to young to remember that quote when Eric was a player here after we got our **** pushed in. Dudes a dip****.

**** that, i'm sick of u and the rest of the Golden slurpers making the same weak excuses

I don't know what the **** you're talking about honestly. I haven't made 1 excuse for Golden or the staff. I haven't made a single reference to Golden needing more talent or blaming the players. I dare you to find one.

I've actually acknowledged the fact that something is obviously not getting across to the players. This is a coaching failure on Defense, any idiot can see that. It's really undeniable. We are talent deficient but we shouldn't be this bad. I have said that I think he'll rectify the situation due to his past history of fielding solid (not great) defenses.

But I've let you and your band of merry retards ruin this ******* board for the last two weeks. But because I don't have the pitchforks out and calling for every coaches head, Golden a dunce, Coach D a ******, insert any coach really, I'm a Golden slurper? That's hilarious. Continue on with the sewage dip****.

 

[Coach Macho]

But why would Winston's opinion be more important then Blades? They are both good athletes/players.

Is it because one players opinion mirrors yours while the other doesnt?

I mean come on wildcat you are a defensive coach, can you not see that every negative big play or game changing play on defense almost always involves Gaines, TC, AJ or a breakdown on the line. They obviously installed the defense when they didnt have the horses to run it, but you have to do it sometime. This is the reason they had people bulk up in the offseason. Maybe they would do it differently in hindsight, but unfortunately we cant do that now.

Exactly, I coached one of the least talented teams in Broward County for 4 seasons, thus I don't wanna hear the "talent" excuse. You run a scheme that fits the talent you do have. You don't run the 3-4 and 2-gap if you have D-linemen that can't play that technique. You don't have Shayon Green covering the flats. YOU DON'T PUT YOUR UNTALENTED GUYS IN POSITION TO HURT YOU.

Do I see our players ***** up and miss tackles? Sure. But I also understand that what you ask of a player and what you expect him to do can make him look worse or better. I ran a 3-4 and my D-linemen were 180lbs, 215lb and 190lbs. Did I ask them to 2-gap? No, I slanted them every play. I built my 3-4 around my two most talented players, my Outside Linebackers. Alot of times I would pinch my D-line down and make the offense bounce everything to the outside. (where my two most talented players were)

D'Onofrio is asking too much of guys who are incapable.


PS - When you see the same problems for 3 years...i.e. blown coverages and wide open zones...that's probably coaching.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I must be in your head because you're trying to dig **** up to impeach me on completely collateral issues. Just address the topic and quit trying to find the smoking gun. None of anything you posted has anything to do with Chizik giving an opinion on our defense after watching the Vag Tech game. The guy was a monster FBS DC at 3 different stops. That gives him a little more credibility than a bunch of dudes on a message board when it comes to breaking down a defensive performance.

I happen to agree with Chizik (and you). Our staff is obviously not doing a good job coaching our kids up on the defensive side of the ball. That's plain as ******* day. I'm just using a point, that you made, to clarify that our current defensive (ranking, standing) doesn't necessarily mean Golden is a defensive bonehead.

 

[jw410]

As much of a **** as he was, at least he stepped in and righted the ship that day instead of standing there like a spectator while we got raped viciously.

This part right here is what I couldn't stand.. Al just stands on the sideline and has this politically correct bull**** answer. I want to see some second half adjustments. Why do we always come out flat.

 

[SFbayCane]

Dorito's philosophy is what our D looks like. This is what he espouses. He's a bend but dont break guy. Ive seen him say in interviews that its not about how many yards they give up, its how many points. I've also read stuff on the Temple boards that fans were glad he was gone because they found his backpeddling style of defense annoying. I can say that it IS maddening to watch.

The problem with Golden's approach is that it's square peg into a round hole. He's trying to build a Bill Parcells 3-4 defense, with a huge front seven, when that doesn't play into this program's main advantage: access to obscenely athletic local recruits. I don't care how you do it, but a Miami defense should always be aggressive, it should feature a good amount of bump and run, and it should send athletic linebackers or OLB/DE hybrids flying into the quarterback's face when he's throwing the ball. No defense is perfect. But this is the approach that I think works with South Florida kids.

I like the part where you say "I don't care how you do it" (scheme), but "a Miami defense should be…"

That's how I see it. This isn't a scheme thing. It's a philosophical, "what kinda of style do we want" thing. 3-4, 4-3, variations, who gives a ****. I prefer a certain scheme that fits with a certain aggressive approach, but there are others here (Dynasty, for example) who don't like that scheme. What seemingly everyone agrees on is that we need to be dictating.

Totally on-point @ both you and Map.

I was recently thinking about the game against Washington on thanksgiving weekend in 2001 when Bob Griese went on a little rant about UM's D line philosophy. He talked about how other teams scheme with their D line but UM's philosophy is for the D line to simply get up field and cause havok. We are the antithesis of that under coach Al Paterno and Mark Sandusky.

This is a very fair point, but I still go back to the question I have raised numerous times in these discussions. This may be a "chicken or the egg" type thing. Do we use the DL the way we do because its how the coaches WANT to, or is it because they feel they have a weak DL and they dont have the personnel they need, and so they are attempting to limit risk by having them not penetrating. I mean the "conservative" thing cuts both ways here. Is this their overall conservative scheme for the DL because they want it like this, or are they being overly conservative with the DL because they just dont have faith in most of the DL personnel?

IDK, but it seems our defense played a lot better Golden's first year, when we still had guys like Forston and Regis, and has been a monkey f*ck since we basically have been playing a patchwork of JAG underclassmen and transfers.

 

[QuadCityCane]

I would say the d-line and safeties scare the **** out of them. Wilkerson and Ahmad brooks had double digit sacks and tackles for loss in the same supposedly non aggressive system. Highsmith/Bush have 38 total tackles. I dont think they trust any player past the line of scrimmage to make a tackle consistently except DP. Gaines, TC, Highsmith and the lingering injury for Bush would keep me up every night wondering what will happen when a back breaks contain at the line.

 

[nystateofmind]

The people defending the scheme and the coaches in here are morons. Enjoy 9 win seasons.

 

[The Franchise]

Jimmie Johnson coaches this team to 1 less loss than golden. He would begging to go back to Osu at this point.

Hyperbole.com. Not in YEAR 3 he doesn't. You guys keep losing track of the fact that this is YEAR 3.

 

[zone3cane]

They have scholarship players too Eric

LOL this guy

"Duke has more talent then Miami"

- Big Sky Cane

Never said that Zone. You must be to young to remember that quote when Eric was a player here after we got our **** pushed in. Dudes a dip****.

**** that, i'm sick of u and the rest of the Golden slurpers making the same weak excuses

Dude, you were a "Golden slurper" a few weeks ago.

lol you golden ******* love making **** up huh

I woulda chumped yo *** off yesterday but you lucky you Golden crying b!tches got me on a post limit.

bich you've never seen me grossly defended Golden like some ****** like you who can do no wrong..... i've supported this team but never got on my knees to suck off Al Golden like you.

I was dead set on D'onofrio needing to be fired after the Wake Forest game, after the VT and Duke fiascos is when I realized Golden needs to be fired w/ his retarded boyfriend.

 

[FreePawn]

"The problem is everything-with scheme and philosphy and then it tricles down to what the kids need to do and how they're executing."

"Like i said they're not dictating the game to the offense. They're just trying to counter-punch the whole time."

"We run the same play over and over. It does not matter if the TE is gashing us, the Rb gashing us, the short passes.... we still line up in the same formation with the same play.... opposing OCs must have a field day. I wonder what they say to themselves."

"If AG is a former DC and the D is our major problem, why has he not stepped in? Friends or not, in the real world you have to worry about your livelihood and family first and foremost.... flat out, your product is not getting it done on the field. Talent or not, these guys don't play as a cohesive unit on D"