Eric Winston On Miami Defense

[CANE4LIFE]

The problem with Golden's approach is that it's square peg into a round hole. He's trying to build a Bill Parcells 3-4 defense, with a huge front seven, when that doesn't play into this program's main advantage: access to obscenely athletic local recruits. I don't care how you do it, but a Miami defense should always be aggressive, it should feature a good amount of bump and run, and it should send athletic linebackers or OLB/DE hybrids flying into the quarterback's face when he's throwing the ball. No defense is perfect. But this is the approach that I think works with South Florida kids.

I like the part where you say "I don't care how you do it" (scheme), but "a Miami defense should be…"

That's how I see it. This isn't a scheme thing. It's a philosophical, "what kinda of style do we want" thing. 3-4, 4-3, variations, who gives a ****. I prefer a certain scheme that fits with a certain aggressive approach, but there are others here (Dynasty, for example) who don't like that scheme. What seemingly everyone agrees on is that we need to be dictating.

Totally on-point @ both you and Map.

I was recently thinking about the game against Washington on thanksgiving weekend in 2001 when Bob Griese went on a little rant about UM's D line philosophy. He talked about how other teams scheme with their D line but UM's philosophy is for the D line to simply get up field and cause havok. We are the antithesis of that under coach Al Paterno and Mark Sandusky.

This is a very fair point, but I still go back to the question I have raised numerous times in these discussions. This may be a "chicken or the egg" type thing. Do we use the DL the way we do because its how the coaches WANT to, or is it because they feel they have a weak DL and they dont have the personnel they need, and so they are attempting to limit risk by having them not penetrating. I mean the "conservative" thing cuts both ways here. Is this their overall conservative scheme for the DL because they want it like this, or are they being overly conservative with the DL because they just dont have faith in most of the DL personnel?

IDK, but it seems our defense played a lot better Golden's first year, when we still had guys like Forston and Regis, and has been a monkey f*ck since we basically have been playing a patchwork of JAG underclassmen and transfers.

 

[theibisrules]

I am cool with that sebastian91, I respect Bennie Blades' opinion. But bbcane if it is the players so much then why wait to make any changes? Why not simplify to help these young men out? That's a coaching issue right there. And also, when the offense wasn't clicking the first thing I heard AG say was we simplified things so that so and so could be on the same page.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

I'm not even gonna read the moronic comments from some of these CIS posers thats right POSERS....A UM football icon has spoken, just so happens he falls on the same side of the fence on this matter that I do. NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO SY ABOUT THAT?

Well, the first thing I'd point out is that Winston doesn't play defense. But, hey, I'm just an idiot...

I'll be your huckleberry...If anyone knows about how defense should be played it would be an all pro offensive lineman. If you go line item approach on what was given from the interview he is giving you an offensive players view on an ineffective defense.

OK, I'll give that argument some merit. That said, Bennie Blades...far more of a UM icon than Winston...seems to disagree.

Desmond Howard was asked on qam and put it more on players

Its both. But even saying "its the players" doesnt absolve the coaches. One thing I speculated on early this season, was wether AG and MD rushed this 'transition" to this new system before having the personnel they needed, and before the players really understand it.

 

[Coach Macho]

I'm not even gonna read the moronic comments from some of these CIS posers thats right POSERS....A UM football icon has spoken, just so happens he falls on the same side of the fence on this matter that I do. NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO SY ABOUT THAT?

Well, the first thing I'd point out is that Winston doesn't play defense. But, hey, I'm just an idiot...

I'll be your huckleberry...If anyone knows about how defense should be played it would be an all pro offensive lineman. If you go line item approach on what was given from the interview he is giving you an offensive players view on an ineffective defense.

OK, I'll give that argument some merit. That said, Bennie Blades...far more of a UM icon than Winston...seems to disagree.

How does that make his opinion anymore valid? Dude coached at Piper and they were terrible.

You guys gotta stop associating ATHLETICISM with KNOWLEDGE. Good football player/athlete does not = knowledge of scheme. Alot of great players are terrible coaches and don't know much about scheme, and vice versa. Some of the best coaches...**** most of the best coaches...weren't great players.

 

[CaneShake]

Wildcat coach what makes your opinion right? And we can carry our earlier convo you're a high school coach right?

 

[QuadCityCane]

But why would Winston's opinion be more important then Blades? They are both good athletes/players.

Is it because one players opinion mirrors yours while the other doesnt?

I mean come on wildcat you are a defensive coach, can you not see that every negative big play or game changing play on defense almost always involves Gaines, TC, AJ or a breakdown on the line. They obviously installed the defense when they didnt have the horses to run it, but you have to do it sometime. This is the reason they had people bulk up in the offseason. Maybe they would do it differently in hindsight, but unfortunately we cant do that now.

 

[sebastian91]

I'm not even gonna read the moronic comments from some of these CIS posers thats right POSERS....A UM football icon has spoken, just so happens he falls on the same side of the fence on this matter that I do. NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO SY ABOUT THAT?

Well, the first thing I'd point out is that Winston doesn't play defense. But, hey, I'm just an idiot...

I'll be your huckleberry...If anyone knows about how defense should be played it would be an all pro offensive lineman. If you go line item approach on what was given from the interview he is giving you an offensive players view on an ineffective defense.

OK, I'll give that argument some merit. That said, Bennie Blades...far more of a UM icon than Winston...seems to disagree.

How does that make his opinion anymore valid? Dude coached at Piper and they were terrible.

You guys gotta stop associating ATHLETICISM with KNOWLEDGE. Good football player/athlete does not = knowledge of scheme. Alot of great players are terrible coaches and don't know much about scheme, and vice versa. Some of the best coaches...**** most of the best coaches...weren't great players.

I didn't associate athleticism with knowledge or anything else. The dude said that Winston is a UM icon...well, Blades is more of a UM icon than Winston and doesn't have the same view. The rest of the nonsense you just spewed is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[CaneHammer]

I would rather be able to send 4 and get pressure so you can drop 7 into coverage. When you can do that, you can start to dictate to the offense what they can do.

 

[TreOFive]

A few quotes from a interview he did on ITU.

"The problem is everything-with scheme and philosphy and then it tricles down to what the kids need to do and how they're executing."

"Like i said they're not dictating the game to the offense. They're just trying to counter-punch the whole time."

"We run the same play over and over. It does not matter if the TE is gashing us, the Rb gashing us, the short passes.... we still line up in the same formation with the same play.... opposing OCs must have a field day. I wonder what they say to themselves."

"If AG is a former DC and the D is our major problem, why has he not stepped in? Friends or not, in the real world you have to worry about your livelihood and family first and foremost.... flat out, your product is not getting it done on the field. Talent or not, these guys don't play as a cohesive unit on D"

 

[sebastian91]

You can tell by the posts

What, we can both formulate a coherent sentence?

 

[CaneShake]

Tell us? Fan

 

[CaneShake]

Don't cheat on the chess table piker

 

[The Franchise]

Time for me to fallback, it's starting to resonate amongst pros and even Desmond Howard alluded to it on Rosé today....FML

What did Desmond Howard say?

He said at some point you gotta question the scheme and that coaches are paid big bucks to out scheme opponents

Gene Chizik said it was a coaching problem after the Vag Tech game on his show on Sirius. He tried hard to dance around the question because he didn't want to criticize the coaches, but he said it was obviously a coaching issue because there's no other reason for so many guys to be so wide open on so many plays. Chizik's a weirdo, but he was a really great DC at Auburn and Texas and UCF.

yet he was the head coach @ Auburn in 09' (68th), 10' (60th), 11' (81st) and 12' (83rd) ranked defenses....couple that with his Iowa St. 07' (67th) and 08' (114th) he was a terrible defensive head coach.

Yep. Those results (if they're even legit) when he was a HC completely invalidate his opinion on our defense even though he fielded some of the best defenses in the country at UCF, Texas and Auburn and is universally considered a great DC.

 

[The Franchise]

What did Desmond Howard say?

He said at some point you gotta question the scheme and that coaches are paid big bucks to out scheme opponents

Gene Chizik said it was a coaching problem after the Vag Tech game on his show on Sirius. He tried hard to dance around the question because he didn't want to criticize the coaches, but he said it was obviously a coaching issue because there's no other reason for so many guys to be so wide open on so many plays. Chizik's a weirdo, but he was a really great DC at Auburn and Texas and UCF.

Too bad Chizlips is living off a big fat buyout otherwise he'd be a solid upgrade for us

Yeah....he'd be awesome. SMFH

While you're looking up numbers, look up what he did as a DC at UCF, Auburn and Texas. That'll give you an idea of how big an upgrade he'd be over Duh and Tin's fake D.

 

[miamifan007]

The problem with Golden's approach is that it's square peg into a round hole. He's trying to build a Bill Parcells 3-4 defense, with a huge front seven, when that doesn't play into this program's main advantage: access to obscenely athletic local recruits. I don't care how you do it, but a Miami defense should always be aggressive, it should feature a good amount of bump and run, and it should send athletic linebackers or OLB/DE hybrids flying into the quarterback's face when he's throwing the ball. No defense is perfect. But this is the approach that I think works with South Florida kids.

Bingo. Right here folks.

 

[CaneShake]

We'll ithink ibis quad and hammer are the same loser using names

 

[CaneHammer]

And hammer is lol

WTF are you talking about? Why are spamming in this thread?

 

[CaneShake]

Let's see quad and Shebat who the freak cares

 

[CaneShake]

Weird not posting

 

[CaneShake]

All at once pikers