Eric Winston On Miami Defense

[strauzer]

Time for me to fallback, it's starting to resonate amongst pros and even Desmond Howard alluded to it on Rosé today....FML

What did Desmond Howard say?

He said at some point you gotta question the scheme and that coaches are paid big bucks to out scheme opponents

Gene Chizik said it was a coaching problem after the Vag Tech game on his show on Sirius. He tried hard to dance around the question because he didn't want to criticize the coaches, but he said it was obviously a coaching issue because there's no other reason for so many guys to be so wide open on so many plays. Chizik's a weirdo, but he was a really great DC at Auburn and Texas and UCF.

Too bad Chizlips is living off a big fat buyout otherwise he'd be a solid upgrade for us

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Time for me to fallback, it's starting to resonate amongst pros and even Desmond Howard alluded to it on Rosé today....FML

What did Desmond Howard say?

He said at some point you gotta question the scheme and that coaches are paid big bucks to out scheme opponents

Gene Chizik said it was a coaching problem after the Vag Tech game on his show on Sirius. He tried hard to dance around the question because he didn't want to criticize the coaches, but he said it was obviously a coaching issue because there's no other reason for so many guys to be so wide open on so many plays. Chizik's a weirdo, but he was a really great DC at Auburn and Texas and UCF.

Too bad Chizlips is living off a big fat buyout otherwise he'd be a solid upgrade for us

Yeah....he'd be awesome. SMFH

 

[BrazilCane]

Again, I feel like we're back in Shannon/Coker territory with this guy.

Not at all... If Golden leaves us, at least we will have a roster with talent and depth.

This guy can recruit

 

[Coach Macho]

Time for me to fallback, it's starting to resonate amongst pros and even Desmond Howard alluded to it on Rosé today....FML

What did Desmond Howard say?

He said at some point you gotta question the scheme and that coaches are paid big bucks to out scheme opponents

Gene Chizik said it was a coaching problem after the Vag Tech game on his show on Sirius. He tried hard to dance around the question because he didn't want to criticize the coaches, but he said it was obviously a coaching issue because there's no other reason for so many guys to be so wide open on so many plays. Chizik's a weirdo, but he was a really great DC at Auburn and Texas and UCF.

Tuh!

So basically the same thing I've been saying on here for at least a month?

Wuddayaknow!

 

[theibisrules]

I'm not even gonna read the moronic comments from some of these CIS posers thats right POSERS....A UM football icon has spoken, just so happens he falls on the same side of the fence on this matter that I do. NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO SY ABOUT THAT?

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Time for me to fallback, it's starting to resonate amongst pros and even Desmond Howard alluded to it on Rosé today....FML

What did Desmond Howard say?

He said at some point you gotta question the scheme and that coaches are paid big bucks to out scheme opponents

Gene Chizik said it was a coaching problem after the Vag Tech game on his show on Sirius. He tried hard to dance around the question because he didn't want to criticize the coaches, but he said it was obviously a coaching issue because there's no other reason for so many guys to be so wide open on so many plays. Chizik's a weirdo, but he was a really great DC at Auburn and Texas and UCF.

Tuh!

So basically the same thing I've been saying on here for at least a month?

Wuddayaknow!

He said "coaching" issue, not "scheme" issue.

 

[Coach Macho]

What did Desmond Howard say?

He said at some point you gotta question the scheme and that coaches are paid big bucks to out scheme opponents

Gene Chizik said it was a coaching problem after the Vag Tech game on his show on Sirius. He tried hard to dance around the question because he didn't want to criticize the coaches, but he said it was obviously a coaching issue because there's no other reason for so many guys to be so wide open on so many plays. Chizik's a weirdo, but he was a really great DC at Auburn and Texas and UCF.

Tuh!

So basically the same thing I've been saying on here for at least a month?

Wuddayaknow!

He said "coaching" issue, not "scheme" issue.

SMH. Seriously?

 

[QuadCityCane]

The problem with Golden's approach is that it's square peg into a round hole. He's trying to build a Bill Parcells 3-4 defense, with a huge front seven, when that doesn't play into this program's main advantage: access to obscenely athletic local recruits. I don't care how you do it, but a Miami defense should always be aggressive, it should feature a good amount of bump and run, and it should send athletic linebackers or OLB/DE hybrids flying into the quarterback's face when he's throwing the ball. No defense is perfect. But this is the approach that I think works with South Florida kids.

I like the part where you say "I don't care how you do it" (scheme), but "a Miami defense should be…"

That's how I see it. This isn't a scheme thing. It's a philosophical, "what kinda of style do we want" thing. 3-4, 4-3, variations, who gives a ****. I prefer a certain scheme that fits with a certain aggressive approach, but there are others here (Dynasty, for example) who don't like that scheme. What seemingly everyone agrees on is that we need to be dictating.

i asked the following question in the talent thread. do you believe we have the type of players on defense that can implement this philosophy? are gaines, cornelius and perryman quick and fast enough to be aggressive and dictatorial? are highsmith and rodgers quick and fast enough? does chickillo have this capacity?

Our current talent is going to struggle in whatever scheme they're put into. Our current talent shouldn't ever struggle as much as they did against VTech and Duke. The question is then "is there an end-game that justifies this period of transition?" I think the reward isn't nearly worth the cost. Ultimately, we're going to end up trying to make players into something they are not - even when we get consistently top talent. Sure, they'll be better than what we see now, but the point of coaching is to get the most out of the players, no?

Golden's defensive philosophy never maximizes the talent he has. His times at UVA and Temple prove that.

In 2011 Addazio iimproved the Temple defense from 16th in the country in points allowed to 3rd. All because Adazio implemented a more aggressive scheme.
In 2005 Golden had the 40th ranked scoring defense in the country at UVA, in 2006 after Golden left, UVA had the 22nd ranked scoring defense in the country again because a more aggressive defense was implemented.

Golden is a risk averse coach and average defensive coordinator at best. He will never fully maximize his players talents.

What happened to Addazio in his second year in 2012? They went 4-7 and gave up 31 points a game. And he leaves for BC who is 6-4 but is 71st in scoring defense. If its just coaching shouldnt he be better than 71st in scoring defense or maybe he inherited Goldens players kind of like Butch/Coker.

 

[sebastian91]

I'm not even gonna read the moronic comments from some of these CIS posers thats right POSERS....A UM football icon has spoken, just so happens he falls on the same side of the fence on this matter that I do. NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO SY ABOUT THAT?

Well, the first thing I'd point out is that Winston doesn't play defense. But, hey, I'm just an idiot...

 

[252cane]

Phillip buchanon played defense and he is saying that the coaching is not good.

Everybody is seeing it. Herbstreit said that DUKE WAS BETTER COACHED THAN MIAMI.

Golden is a good recruiter but him and d'onofrio get out-coached every week.

 

[Mico Jones]

They caution safety first before play making. Thats the problem. Thats why they come on interviews and praise players who didnt make any MEs instead of a guy who force a fumble or made a pick. Any wonder why AJ is back there instead of Carter? Gimi a break. Their DNA doesn't fit our style and tradition. Waiting on the other team to do things then counter attack.....and usually can't stop what the other team is doing. If I had howard gunter and crawford and the fr CBs. I'd have a field day bringing everybody up and daring teams to throw. From the first game last year v BC when Luther Robinson bust thru and forced a fumble and he got chastised for it we should have known these dudes were dumbos. Luther Robinson has not made a play since. Coincidence?

Truth.

This is what I despise about this regime. They play scared.

I remember when Greg Schiano went man to man on the outside and it cost us a game against Penn State.

But Ide love to have Schiano back any day. I'd rather attack you and occasionally get beat but force turnovers,etc. than catch a hundred punches and slowly get worn down like we do.

We seldom force the action. Unforgiveable.

 

[Mico Jones]

I'm not even gonna read the moronic comments from some of these CIS posers thats right POSERS....A UM football icon has spoken, just so happens he falls on the same side of the fence on this matter that I do. NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO SY ABOUT THAT?

Well, the first thing I'd point out is that Winston doesn't play defense. But, hey, I'm just an idiot...

Most relevant statement that you made.

 

[SFbayCane]

The problem with Golden's approach is that it's square peg into a round hole. He's trying to build a Bill Parcells 3-4 defense, with a huge front seven, when that doesn't play into this program's main advantage: access to obscenely athletic local recruits. I don't care how you do it, but a Miami defense should always be aggressive, it should feature a good amount of bump and run, and it should send athletic linebackers or OLB/DE hybrids flying into the quarterback's face when he's throwing the ball. No defense is perfect. But this is the approach that I think works with South Florida kids.

I like the part where you say "I don't care how you do it" (scheme), but "a Miami defense should be…"

That's how I see it. This isn't a scheme thing. It's a philosophical, "what kinda of style do we want" thing. 3-4, 4-3, variations, who gives a ****. I prefer a certain scheme that fits with a certain aggressive approach, but there are others here (Dynasty, for example) who don't like that scheme. What seemingly everyone agrees on is that we need to be dictating.

Totally on-point @ both you and Map.

I was recently thinking about the game against Washington on thanksgiving weekend in 2001 when Bob Griese went on a little rant about UM's D line philosophy. He talked about how other teams scheme with their D line but UM's philosophy is for the D line to simply get up field and cause havok. We are the antithesis of that under coach Al Paterno and Mark Sandusky.

 

[Canesfan1899]

It's coaching, anyone saying different is in denial or completely full of ****. I'm still with Golden but he has to get to the point where he realizes this isn't Temple talent anymore, you don't need to counterpunch the entire game, you have the athletes here to devise a game plan that takes offenses out of their comfort zones. If he can't correct it at least there will be a lot of talent for the new coach because he has recruited well.

 

[theibisrules]

I'm not even gonna read the moronic comments from some of these CIS posers thats right POSERS....A UM football icon has spoken, just so happens he falls on the same side of the fence on this matter that I do. NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO SY ABOUT THAT?

Well, the first thing I'd point out is that Winston doesn't play defense. But, hey, I'm just an idiot...

I'll be your huckleberry...If anyone knows about how defense should be played it would be an all pro offensive lineman. If you go line item approach on what was given from the interview he is giving you an offensive players view on an ineffective defense.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

FWIW, I have a THEORY, and its just random speculation, but I SUSPECT that AG HAS stepped in, and unfortunately that is what has led to the disaster of the last two weeks. I think AG has maybe inserted himself into things, and now you have too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak, and its completely created a clusterf*ck where EVERYONE is confused and maybe you have conflicting instructions and plays being sent in.

Im not sure what is going on, but the last few weeks it really seems like things have gone off a cliff. It wasnt very good to start with, but its gotten MUCH worse, and I suspect, that might be a result of Golden having inserted himself into the defense, and its created a ton of confusion and miscommunication.

 

[bbcane]

Sounds like a member of CanesInsight.com.

I was going to say. I think that is Lucane. I think you have said pretty much same things. I am not quite to the franchise level of doing a 180. But I think the coaches can do way better.

 

[sebastian91]

I'm not even gonna read the moronic comments from some of these CIS posers thats right POSERS....A UM football icon has spoken, just so happens he falls on the same side of the fence on this matter that I do. NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO SY ABOUT THAT?

Well, the first thing I'd point out is that Winston doesn't play defense. But, hey, I'm just an idiot...

Most relevant statement that you made.

You haven't exactly been bringing the knowledge either...

 

[sebastian91]

I'm not even gonna read the moronic comments from some of these CIS posers thats right POSERS....A UM football icon has spoken, just so happens he falls on the same side of the fence on this matter that I do. NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO SY ABOUT THAT?

Well, the first thing I'd point out is that Winston doesn't play defense. But, hey, I'm just an idiot...

I'll be your huckleberry...If anyone knows about how defense should be played it would be an all pro offensive lineman. If you go line item approach on what was given from the interview he is giving you an offensive players view on an ineffective defense.

OK, I'll give that argument some merit. That said, Bennie Blades...far more of a UM icon than Winston...seems to disagree.

 

[bbcane]

I'm not even gonna read the moronic comments from some of these CIS posers thats right POSERS....A UM football icon has spoken, just so happens he falls on the same side of the fence on this matter that I do. NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO SY ABOUT THAT?

Well, the first thing I'd point out is that Winston doesn't play defense. But, hey, I'm just an idiot...

I'll be your huckleberry...If anyone knows about how defense should be played it would be an all pro offensive lineman. If you go line item approach on what was given from the interview he is giving you an offensive players view on an ineffective defense.

OK, I'll give that argument some merit. That said, Bennie Blades...far more of a UM icon than Winston...seems to disagree.

Desmond Howard was asked on qam and put it more on players