Duke & Gus Edwards VS Reggie Bush & LenDale White

listen man, i love Duke too but to say he is as explosive as bush is not being honest. i'm not talking about stats here. duke isn't as fast or as explosive as bush. bush was like a low 4.3 guy. you think duke is that fast?

Honestly, I appreciate your trolling the WEZ, but this is the football board. If you think it's not being 'honest' to say that Duke is every bit as explosive as Bush, then you either don't know the meaning of the term 'honest' or you're seriously misinformed.

And now you're trying to shift the debate to 'fast' from explosive? Devin Hester ain't the fastest guy in the NFL by a long shot, but no one ever was more explosive on returns. Duke ain't getting caught from behind, and he stops and starts like Barry Sanders. Was Sanders not as explosive because he wasn't as fast as Bush? Explosive is about creating opportunities and using them well. And Duke broke more long runs last year than Bush did in either of his first two years. You're just wrong here.

Sands, can u honestly say that Duke is more explosive than Reggie K. Bush? i mean seriously?

Not only can I say it, I think it's an irrefutable fact and anyone who disagrees is a hater or an idiot. Comparing Duke's freshmen year to Bush's junior year is rather unfair, though Duke's freshman year was good enough to get people to make the comparison I guess. But it is an iron clad fact that Duke's freshman year showed more explosiveness than Bush's freshman or sophomore years. Please tell me you disagree.

lulz

you don't even have to compare junior years. bush was running 10.3 out of hs and had the best shuttle (indicative of agility) on a usc roster full of studs as a freshman. also a state champion sprinter and also freakishly quick and stopped and started on a dime, norm chow called him the best tailback he'd ever seen. using stats alone to decipher who is more explosive is straight ****** logic.

You guys are changing the argument to try to hide from the obvious FAIL of your point.

This isn't about straight line speed. It's about EXPLOSIVENESS.

Duke Johnson's freshman year showed more explosiveness than either Bush's first or second years. That's in irrefutable FACT. Look at the long TDs Duke broke. Look at yards per carry.

Duke was also a better returner, though Bush's return numbers were comparable on fewer opportunities.
 
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i'm not comparing years, guys. i'm only talking about EXPLOSIVENESS. i've never seen Bush closed to being walked down, but i've seen Duke nearly get walked down by Duke defenders

homers gonna homer. bush had guys who went on to be top nfl draft picks looking like they were standing still. duke rips up bc and duke and is ready to be on the same level lol

Negged.

Why do we let gators on the football board spew venom w/o consequence?
 
Honestly, I appreciate your trolling the WEZ, but this is the football board. If you think it's not being 'honest' to say that Duke is every bit as explosive as Bush, then you either don't know the meaning of the term 'honest' or you're seriously misinformed.

And now you're trying to shift the debate to 'fast' from explosive? Devin Hester ain't the fastest guy in the NFL by a long shot, but no one ever was more explosive on returns. Duke ain't getting caught from behind, and he stops and starts like Barry Sanders. Was Sanders not as explosive because he wasn't as fast as Bush? Explosive is about creating opportunities and using them well. And Duke broke more long runs last year than Bush did in either of his first two years. You're just wrong here.

Sands, can u honestly say that Duke is more explosive than Reggie K. Bush? i mean seriously?

Not only can I say it, I think it's an irrefutable fact and anyone who disagrees is a hater or an idiot. Comparing Duke's freshmen year to Bush's junior year is rather unfair, though Duke's freshman year was good enough to get people to make the comparison I guess. But it is an iron clad fact that Duke's freshman year showed more explosiveness than Bush's freshman or sophomore years. Please tell me you disagree.

lulz

you don't even have to compare junior years. bush was running 10.3 out of hs and had the best shuttle (indicative of agility) on a usc roster full of studs as a freshman. also a state champion sprinter and also freakishly quick and stopped and started on a dime, norm chow called him the best tailback he'd ever seen. using stats alone to decipher who is more explosive is straight ****** logic.

You guys are changing the argument to try to hide from the obvious FAIL of your point.

This isn't about straight line speed. It's about EXPLOSIVENESS.

Duke Johnson's freshman year showed more explosiveness than either Bush's first or second years. That's in irrefutable FACT. Look at the long TDs Duke broke. Look at yards per carry.

Duke was also a better returner, though Bush's return numbers were comparable on fewer opportunities.

well how do you measure explosiveness if not by raw hard numbers which are intended to do so? subjective opinion?

so if duke breaks off a run for 70 vs. bethune he's more explosive than bush who breaks off a 50 yarder vs. arizona state? duke also had more opportunities with 49 more carries and more returns. bush was splitting carries with other nfl draft picks. there's way more than goes into it. duke is **** good and should be very special in time, he's not on that level yet.
 
i'm not comparing years, guys. i'm only talking about EXPLOSIVENESS. i've never seen Bush closed to being walked down, but i've seen Duke nearly get walked down by Duke defenders

homers gonna homer. bush had guys who went on to be top nfl draft picks looking like they were standing still. duke rips up bc and duke and is ready to be on the same level lol

Negged.

Why do we let gators on the football board spew venom w/o consequence?

what 'venom' have i spewed? quit being a ******. who feels the need to be territorial over a message board? lol
 
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If we wanna dig into struggling against good teams in their freshman years, here is a look at


Bush's games with lower rushing averages, and that team's final rush defense ranking in 2003

1.8 ypc vs Auburn, 7th
3.2 ypc vs BYU, 33rd
1.8 ypc vs Cal, 37th
2.1 ypc vs Wash St, 6th
1.7 ypc vs UCA, 23rd


Now the same for Duke

3.2 ypc vs KSU, 20th
2.8 ypc vs ND, 11th
3.0 ypc vs FSU, 3rd
3.4 ypc vs UNC, 40th
 
If we wanna dig into struggling against good teams in their freshman years, here is a look at


Bush's games with lower rushing averages, and that team's final rush defense ranking in 2003

1.8 ypc vs Auburn, 7th
3.2 ypc vs BYU, 33rd
1.8 ypc vs Cal, 37th
2.1 ypc vs Wash St, 6th
1.7 ypc vs UCA, 23rd


Now the same for Duke

3.2 ypc vs KSU, 20th
2.8 ypc vs ND, 11th
3.0 ypc vs FSU, 3rd
3.4 ypc vs UNC, 40th

Boom
 
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Duke and Bush are similar in explosive and speed measurables in that both are more explosive than are straight fast. Main difference between the 2 is Duke being the more physical that can run between the tackles, something Bush hasn't been until recently.

As for Gus, haven't seen a lick of of him to be able to provide an informed opinion.
 
More like our o-line was manhandled by better teams, but yeah, I don't see what is so surprising about this "revelation". Of course it is going to be more difficult to put up better stats against better defenses. That would be true for most running backs and offenses in general.
 
duke is better in between the tackles, he isn't near as explosive as bush however. bush ran a 4.33 electronic and was running 10.3 in hs, very few backs had the speed bush had.
 
Duke and Bush are similar in explosive and speed measurables in that both are more explosive than are straight fast. Main difference between the 2 is Duke being the more physical that can run between the tackles, something Bush hasn't been until recently.

As for Gus, haven't seen a lick of of him to be able to provide an informed opinion.
bush isn't straightline fast????
 
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i'm not comparing years, guys. i'm only talking about EXPLOSIVENESS. i've never seen Bush closed to being walked down, but i've seen Duke nearly get walked down by Duke defenders

homers gonna homer. bush had guys who went on to be top nfl draft picks looking like they were standing still. duke rips up bc and duke and is ready to be on the same level lol

I think you missed his point on this one.
 
Duke and Bush are similar in explosive and speed measurables in that both are more explosive than are straight fast. Main difference between the 2 is Duke being the more physical that can run between the tackles, something Bush hasn't been until recently.

As for Gus, haven't seen a lick of of him to be able to provide an informed opinion.
bush isn't straightline fast????

re-read what I wrote however many times it takes for you to understand it and then get back to me.
 
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Sands, can u honestly say that Duke is more explosive than Reggie K. Bush? i mean seriously?

Not only can I say it, I think it's an irrefutable fact and anyone who disagrees is a hater or an idiot. Comparing Duke's freshmen year to Bush's junior year is rather unfair, though Duke's freshman year was good enough to get people to make the comparison I guess. But it is an iron clad fact that Duke's freshman year showed more explosiveness than Bush's freshman or sophomore years. Please tell me you disagree.

lulz

you don't even have to compare junior years. bush was running 10.3 out of hs and had the best shuttle (indicative of agility) on a usc roster full of studs as a freshman. also a state champion sprinter and also freakishly quick and stopped and started on a dime, norm chow called him the best tailback he'd ever seen. using stats alone to decipher who is more explosive is straight ****** logic.

You guys are changing the argument to try to hide from the obvious FAIL of your point.

This isn't about straight line speed. It's about EXPLOSIVENESS.

Duke Johnson's freshman year showed more explosiveness than either Bush's first or second years. That's in irrefutable FACT. Look at the long TDs Duke broke. Look at yards per carry.

Duke was also a better returner, though Bush's return numbers were comparable on fewer opportunities.

well how do you measure explosiveness if not by raw hard numbers which are intended to do so? subjective opinion?

so if duke breaks off a run for 70 vs. bethune he's more explosive than bush who breaks off a 50 yarder vs. arizona state? duke also had more opportunities with 49 more carries and more returns. bush was splitting carries with other nfl draft picks. there's way more than goes into it. duke is **** good and should be very special in time, he's not on that level yet.

I don't understand your question. The raw hard numbers you measure explosiveness by are things like yards per carry and long TDs.

Speed isn't a hard number to measure explosiveness by. It's a hard number to measure speed by. That's why they call it that. There have been plenty of fast guys who didn't end up being that explosive in football. And again, you have Hester, who's the most _explosive_ returner ever, but nowhere near the fastest.

If explosive means something different from fast, then claiming speed resolves explosiveness is utterly ignorant. And if you think it means the same thing, then you're wasting everyone's time here.

And re "duke is **** good and should be very special in time, he's not on that level yet." What are you talking about? No one here has said Duke is already better than Bush was as a Junior. You're setting up a false dichotomy. Duke is already better than Bush was as a freshman or sophomore. That's a fact.
 
Duke and Bush are similar in explosive and speed measurables in that both are more explosive than are straight fast. Main difference between the 2 is Duke being the more physical that can run between the tackles, something Bush hasn't been until recently.

As for Gus, haven't seen a lick of of him to be able to provide an informed opinion.
bush isn't straightline fast????

re-read what I wrote however many times it takes for you to understand it and then get back to me.

"both are more explosive than straighline fast"

so bush is not so much straightline fast than he is explosive?

wat??
 
Not only can I say it, I think it's an irrefutable fact and anyone who disagrees is a hater or an idiot. Comparing Duke's freshmen year to Bush's junior year is rather unfair, though Duke's freshman year was good enough to get people to make the comparison I guess. But it is an iron clad fact that Duke's freshman year showed more explosiveness than Bush's freshman or sophomore years. Please tell me you disagree.

lulz

you don't even have to compare junior years. bush was running 10.3 out of hs and had the best shuttle (indicative of agility) on a usc roster full of studs as a freshman. also a state champion sprinter and also freakishly quick and stopped and started on a dime, norm chow called him the best tailback he'd ever seen. using stats alone to decipher who is more explosive is straight ****** logic.

You guys are changing the argument to try to hide from the obvious FAIL of your point.

This isn't about straight line speed. It's about EXPLOSIVENESS.

Duke Johnson's freshman year showed more explosiveness than either Bush's first or second years. That's in irrefutable FACT. Look at the long TDs Duke broke. Look at yards per carry.

Duke was also a better returner, though Bush's return numbers were comparable on fewer opportunities.

well how do you measure explosiveness if not by raw hard numbers which are intended to do so? subjective opinion?

so if duke breaks off a run for 70 vs. bethune he's more explosive than bush who breaks off a 50 yarder vs. arizona state? duke also had more opportunities with 49 more carries and more returns. bush was splitting carries with other nfl draft picks. there's way more than goes into it. duke is **** good and should be very special in time, he's not on that level yet.

I don't understand your question. The raw hard numbers you measure explosiveness by are things like yards per carry and long TDs.

Speed isn't a hard number to measure explosiveness by. It's a hard number to measure speed by. That's why they call it that. There have been plenty of fast guys who didn't end up being that explosive in football. And again, you have Hester, who's the most _explosive_ returner ever, but nowhere near the fastest.

If explosive means something different from fast, then claiming speed resolves explosiveness is utterly ignorant. And if you think it means the same thing, then you're wasting everyone's time here.

And re "duke is **** good and should be very special in time, he's not on that level yet." What are you talking about? No one here has said Duke is already better than Bush was as a Junior. You're setting up a false dichotomy. Duke is already better than Bush was as a freshman or sophomore. That's a fact.

the problem is you can't use yards per carry and long td's unless you're comparing common opponents. as whatthehell's stats show neither really did anything against good teams. so you're reducing explosiveness to who had a higher ypc or longer runs against bad teams which makes no sense. their numbers were almost identical with duke getting more carries which means more opportunity to break more long runs. it also means more carries against bad teams which is again even more opportunity to break one. speed doesn't equal explosiveness but it at least correlates. as does things like 100m times and shuttle all of which bush were world class in. i don't know how that gets discounted in favor of ypc.
 
Duke and Bush are similar in explosive and speed measurables in that both are more explosive than are straight fast. Main difference between the 2 is Duke being the more physical that can run between the tackles, something Bush hasn't been until recently.

As for Gus, haven't seen a lick of of him to be able to provide an informed opinion.
bush isn't straightline fast????

re-read what I wrote however many times it takes for you to understand it and then get back to me.

"both are more explosive than straighline fast"

so bush is not so much straightline fast than he is explosive?

wat??

**** Duval cmon mane

Monitor broken at the library?
 
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