Dorsett runs 4.16

[Spookcane]

Look closely at coley sprinting in this play'
he can run !

 

[plantcity3]

Dorsett ran a 6.8 in the 60M. 40 yards = 36 meters, or 60% of the distance. Not saying the time would be linear (he's probably faster in the last 20 of a 60M than the first 20 of a 40), but 60% of 6.8 seconds is 4.08. Under 4.2 is not outside the realm of possibility if he kills the start.

The time that surprises me would be Duke under 4.4 with that new weight. He's never been a burner.

I never understood the "Duke has never been a burner" comment... The guy may not be Chris Johnson or Jamal Charles but he always had great speed... As a freshman most of all his long runs came from outrunning his opponents on the outside... He is also extremely quick... I do agree it seemed like he lost a step last year... But I always saw him as a 4.4 type player...

Duke is fast at about 30-40 yards…he is above average at 50+ yards for a skill player, but certainly not elite. You saw in the high school all star game and you've seen it here. He does get caught from behind.

He has been ran down a couple of times. Someone running a 4.3 is not getting ran down once they breakaway. Freshman year I would give him a 4.4. The extra weight made him lose that extra gear needed to turn those boosters.

When did Duke get run down? (besides the Carolina game)

And don't say the Savannah State game, cause he changed direction like 30 times during that kick return.

Well you used the most noticeable one yourself. Im not trying to everytime he breaks in open field someone ten yards away runs him down. Imo, a 4.3 beats some of the angles I have seen Duke get caught on.

And I have been saying his acceleration is elite, but his overall speed is pretty good. A 4.4 is nothing to be upset bout though.

 

[Bennubird]

All that matters is what they do with the ball in their hands.

 

[Coach Macho]

I never understood the "Duke has never been a burner" comment... The guy may not be Chris Johnson or Jamal Charles but he always had great speed... As a freshman most of all his long runs came from outrunning his opponents on the outside... He is also extremely quick... I do agree it seemed like he lost a step last year... But I always saw him as a 4.4 type player...

Duke is fast at about 30-40 yards…he is above average at 50+ yards for a skill player, but certainly not elite. You saw in the high school all star game and you've seen it here. He does get caught from behind.

He has been ran down a couple of times. Someone running a 4.3 is not getting ran down once they breakaway. Freshman year I would give him a 4.4. The extra weight made him lose that extra gear needed to turn those boosters.

When did Duke get run down? (besides the Carolina game)

And don't say the Savannah State game, cause he changed direction like 30 times during that kick return.

Well you used the most noticeable one yourself. Im not trying to everytime he breaks in open field someone ten yards away runs him down. Imo, a 4.3 beats some of the angles I have seen Duke get caught on.

And I have been saying his acceleration is elite, but his overall speed is pretty good. A 4.4 is nothing to be upset bout though.

True.

 

[sstcane]

I think he just had 2 carries in a row before that play. Sometimes in games you have to take into account that a RB gets beat up during a game.

 

[DMoney]

The times are obviously inflated, but I expect Dorsett to be one of the fastest players at the 2015 Combine.

 

[HurricaneVision]

The times are obviously inflated, but I expect Dorsett to be one of the fastest players at the 2015 Combine.

You can generally add a full tenth of a second to any hand timed time you see, but I'll say this: Teams do not use the numbers from the Combine, they use their scouts' own hand-timed times. The Combine counts a rolling start, a movement with your hand, everything starts the clock.

Personally, I don't care about the 40 times anyway. I can see for myself on film if a guy is fast or not based on his play speed. It's when the numbers do not match up that I'll go back and double check what I think I see on film. Like if a guy runs a 4.7 and he looks fast on film, what am I missing? Am I overstating something? It works for vice versa as well.

Dorsett isn't fast, he's elite fast. Film fast. Timed fast. Hand held fast. Just really ******* fast.

 

[INCaneFan]

Lets look at past combines:

2014: Only 7 guys ran in the 4.3s. Dri Archer with a 4.28 was best. 4 CB, 2 WR, 1 RB
2013: Only 12 guys ran in the 4.3s. Marquise Goodwin with 4.27 was tops. 5 WR, 5 CB, 2 RB
2012: Only 7 guys ran in the 4.3s. Josh Robinson with 4.33 was tops. 5 WR, 2 CB

This needed to brought up again and illustrates what a bunch of BS high school to college 40x are.

 

[Calinative]

The times are obviously inflated, but I expect Dorsett to be one of the fastest players at the 2015 Combine.

You can generally add a full second to any hand timed time you see, but I'll say this: Teams do not use the numbers from the Combine, they use their scouts' own hand-timed times. The Combine counts a rolling start, a movement with your hand, everything starts the clock.

Personally, I don't care about the 40 times anyway. I can see for myself on film if a guy is fast or not based on his play speed. It's when the numbers do not match up that I'll go back and double check what I think I see on film. Like if a guy runs a 4.7 and he looks fast on film, what am I missing? Am I overstating something? It works for vice versa as well.

Dorsett isn't fast, he's elite fast. Film fast. Timed fast. Hand held fast. Just really ******* fast.

Add a full second? I'm pretty sure you mean tenth of a second...
But I get what you are saying about game speed. I personally think they should run their 40s in their pads and from their positional stance. Same reason I like that Manziel did his pro day in his shoulder pads. I also think receivers (or any skill position) should do drills with their pads and helmet on
An example because Argentina won today is Messi. In a straight sprint without the ball he is not even close to the fastest. But if you make them dribble a ball while running he is top 5 in the world.

 

[Gatorhater]

The times are obviously inflated, but I expect Dorsett to be one of the fastest players at the 2015 Combine.

You can generally add a full tenth of a second to any hand timed time you see, but I'll say this: Teams do not use the numbers from the Combine, they use their scouts' own hand-timed times. The Combine counts a rolling start, a movement with your hand, everything starts the clock.

Personally, I don't care about the 40 times anyway. I can see for myself on film if a guy is fast or not based on his play speed. It's when the numbers do not match up that I'll go back and double check what I think I see on film. Like if a guy runs a 4.7 and he looks fast on film, what am I missing? Am I overstating something? It works for vice versa as well.

Dorsett isn't fast, he's elite fast. Film fast. Timed fast. Hand held fast. Just really ******* fast.

ND and UF will agree with that. He made ND pee itself and and about 20 yards to their cushion(hands were his problem that night). Took top off gator D at full strength. Dorsett is not the greatest with the ball in his hands, but the boy can fly and he is catching better now. We will be seeing him on Sundays.

 

[Supercane85]

He's fast but not that fast. Wonder what the times were though for the rest of the guys.

No he is a blazer. He gets over the top of a defense with the best of them.

 

[Jassid82]

The combine shows that we inflate our player's numbers a lot.

Orlando Franklin was like 6'8" when he was here.
Brandon Linder did like 40 reps on the bench. (did low 30's at the combine I believe)

Our 40 numbers are usually pretty close though.

I pose a question to you my friend..When was the last time that a UM guy went to the combine and ran a 40 time that was shockingly off what he supposedly ran while at UM? The ONLY guy I can remember in the last 15 years is probably Devin Hester. I was shocked he ran in the mid 4.4..thought he was a 4.35-4.4 guy..Other then him, I cant remember a UM guy being that far off. DVD ran a 4.28 didnt he? Santana Moss ran a 4.3. Roscoe ran like a 4.4..Trav Benjamin ran a 4.3.

My point is we dont have a reputation of lying about our 40 times from what I can remember.

Now im not saying Dorsett runs a 4.16...Probably more like 4.28-4.33 range..But you guys act like we make a living lying about our 40 times..Now strength numbers are a different story.

 

[112_cane]

He has been ran down a couple of times. Someone running a 4.3 is not getting ran down once they breakaway. Freshman year I would give him a 4.4. The extra weight made him lose that extra gear needed to turn those boosters.

When did Duke get run down? (besides the Carolina game)

And don't say the Savannah State game, cause he changed direction like 30 times during that kick return.

VTECH game in 2012....not many but that's one that rings out

Don't recall that one.

However, I do know that many people mistake being "run down" with a defender simply having an angle.

I know you said, "besides the Carolina game," but my man this illustrates perfectly his incredible acceleration and 30-40 yard speed…but he doesn't quite have that strength YET to keep pulling away. If Duke was timed at The Combine last year (cause we haven't seen him this year), I'd say he runs about a 4.45-4.48

[video=youtube;wOUPcSBF3DA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOUPcSBF3DA[/video]

That play was at the beginning of the game when both players are fresh.

Jabari Price ran a 4.45 at the combine. Jabari starting chasing Duke 50 yards before he was tackled and was 5 yards behind when he started chasing him.

 

[JHallCanes]

whats with all the doubting on Dorsette? he gets open allot, his speed and getting open was never a question. His catching needs some work but he is that deep speedy threat that the 4.3 .2 or .16 actually matter

We missed him a lot last year because he is such a threat deep. I didn't like the spots we used him at times though but it's hard to ***** about getting a kid that fast the ball when you can. He just isn't much of a change direction guy, but Coley and Dorsett are gonna be ******* problems deep, and that should create lots of opportunities for the TEs and underneath stuff, if the QB can find it, it should be there.

 

[accomadus]

Speaking of speed.... anyone notice that Artie Burns wasn't mentioned? By the time he leaves Miami, there's no doubt he will be one of the all time SPEED greats at Miami.

 

[BWCD]

People always confuse "speed" and "acceleration" when discussing Duke Johnson.

I'd say Duke has elite acceleration and "decent" to "good" speed.

This, 1000x, this.

When it comes to acceleration and change of direction, Duke is ELITE, top friggin notch. When it comes to out and out speed, he's no burner. So, unless he just has a crazy jump out by like 15-20 yards on the whole defense...it's a possibility he'll get chased down by a guy who has more pure speed over a 50+ yard run (like the UNC video shows).

That doesn't make Duke a bad running back, and stating that he lacks elite top-end speed isn't a knock on him. He's simply more like, say, Lesean McCoy than he is Chris Johnson. Nothing wrong with that at all.

 

[DapperSlapper]

The combine is just as bogus as any other times. The NFL refuses to use fully automatic times because fans would lose interest due to slower times.

The Sports Xchange confirmed that the combine will have fully automated timing (FAT) in place, ostensibly as an ongoing test, for the fourth consecutive year, although it remains unclear if, how and with whom the resulting data will be shared.
Meantime, TSX was told that the times announced by the NFL again will be the result of a hybrid process -- with clocks started by hand and stopped electronically. This yields results that are slower than purely hand-held clockings and faster than fully automated times.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...16/nfl-combine-popular-40-shrouded-in-secrecy

 

[Canesfan1899]

The times are obviously inflated, but I expect Dorsett to be one of the fastest players at the 2015 Combine.

We must be running on VT's track. Didn't DeAngelo Williams run like a 4.0 plat there? LOL

 

[Canesfan1899]

whats with all the doubting on Dorsette? he gets open allot, his speed and getting open was never a question. His catching needs some work but he is that deep speedy threat that the 4.3 .2 or .16 actually matter

We missed him a lot last year because he is such a threat deep. I didn't like the spots we used him at times though but it's hard to ***** about getting a kid that fast the ball when you can. He just isn't much of a change direction guy, but Coley and Dorsett are gonna be ******* problems deep, and that should create lots of opportunities for the TEs and underneath stuff, if the QB can find it, it should be there.

Agree, Dorestt tore the top off of defenses and they can't have safeties creeping into the box. Imagine some of the screens to Coley with Dorsett in the slot or outside and the defense having to account for his vertical speed. Sure hope we have a QB that can take advantage of the deep ball.

 

[Canes1087]

I'm gonna be a big homer here but in that video duke was never more than 3 yards ahead of price, so that left price the ability to catch up to him. It wasn't like he had this huge ten yard lead on him and got walked down, but I will concede that running in the 4.3 - 4.4 range you shouldn't get caught from behind.