D'Onofrio wants improved scoring defense

[FullyERicht]

As for the topic at hand......this scheme doesn't work at all and will always fail




......when you start kids who have never played zone, matchup zone, or 2 gap. Also when your kids are all small and weak.

Fortunately, the system works well once kids learn how to play these NFL style systems, but they require TIME. You will never be able to field a good defense in this system with young kids and weak kids.

That's why it's asinine to compare our youth to some other team. The system WILL NOT WORK EVER with undersized and inexperienced players.

 

[rudebuddha]

What argument? I'm not saying they can't do it.

Follow me...

People say "they had the 16th ranked defense with Temple talent."

Ok? Well they played against Temple level talent, so the fact that they had the 16th ranked defense isn't overly impressive.

At Miami they'll play against Miami level talent. (or in most cases maybe slightly inferior)

The logic is that they had the 16th ranked defense at Temple and with Miami talent they'll be even better on defense. What I'm saying is that it's a wash.

How is the 16th rated defense not impressive? Only two non-BCS conference schools were rated higher than that (UCF and Kent St). The MAC, relative to other leagues, is an offensive league. That's a solid finish, especially when the defense was in the 100s across the board when they took over.

Now if they can produce results against similar talent, they should be able to do it at Miami. And once this thang is rolling, there won't be many teams on the schedule with similar talent.

So which great offensive team in the Mac did they beat/ shut down?

I don't know about the MAC offenses but they held a ranked Penn State team to 22 points at Beaver Stadium in 2010. That is five FG's and one TD. That ain't too bad for a team from Temple.

These arguments are so weak. What great high powered offenses would you expect a Temple team with Temple talent to stop? Would you only be satisfied if they were to shut down Oregon or Okie St.? Obviously their national ranking would have been significantly lower had they played in an FBS conference. They played very good on the defensive side of the ball against teams with talent similar and probably for the most part better talent than what they were able run out there. Don't forget we are still talking about Temple. Nobody is satisfied with the results from last years defense but let's not act fans on an Internet message board no more about people who have coached and played at a very high level of football.

Are you related to Miami Nights or PTF from the Scout site?

Are you referring to 7-6 penn st? Please. Not impressed and they still lost the game.


Still waiting for any prolific team or offense that golden has shut down ever in his career.

In the meantime maybe someone can tell me which Mac team had more all Mac performers than temple in 2010 especially on the defensive side of the ball. **** add 2009 in there as well.

All I can tell you is......,Fuuck off.

 

[252cane]

I don't care what he did at temple his first two years his defense at miami sucks d***. This is year 3 of his system and he complained about youth and lack of size last year.They added older mature guys like renfrow,gilbert,kamula,other guys have gotten bigger. 5 lb's are entering 3rd year in the scheme and the db's are still young but the run d should at least be better if not golden has to let his nuts hang and fire him and jethro plain and simple.

 

[FullyERicht]

The defense has to be improved. I don't think it requires post after post stating the obvious. If they have a sub 75 defense again he will be fired. We get it.

But at least take time to UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM and why the youth excuse is even more pertinent when you run it.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

we'll see what he does this year as it will be the 1st year one can truly judge him.
In 2011 having more talent then the 2012 defense and less than the 2010 defense they gave up the same amount of points per game as in 2010 and not to mention had more injuries/suspensions. I think it's fair to say that if the suspensions never occurred and guys like Vernon would have played the full year the 2011 defensive stats would have been better than the 2010 stats.
In 2012 with the loss of likes Spence and early NFL draft entrants (Vernon, Forston) and guys like Ray Ray, combined with inexperienced depth the defense declined to the lowest point in program history. Could the defense been better than 116th with different coaching? Probably, but anyone expecting anything better than 85 or less is kidding themselves. That year was the perfect storm for the crap of a defense that hit the field.

So going into 2013, 3 years what can we expect? I say better than 2011 due to more depth and experience without the added uncertainties that the team was operating in 2011 with the NCAA related suspensions. Plus 3 years into D'onofrio's system and him knowing his players better now than in 2011 all points to a top 50 defense giving up around 20 pts and 360 pts per game.

 

[Newkirk]

As for the topic at hand......this scheme doesn't work at all and will always fail




......when you start kids who have never played zone, matchup zone, or 2 gap. Also when your kids are all small and weak.

Fortunately, the system works well once kids learn how to play these NFL style systems, but they require TIME. You will never be able to field a good defense in this system with young kids and weak kids.

That's why it's asinine to compare our youth to some other team. The system WILL NOT WORK EVER with undersized and inexperienced players.

Don't even try to,pretend that golden is running some brand new revolutionary defense never before seen in cfb. There are a number of examples of young defenses playing not as bad as the bs we all witnessed last year. The system was garbage in 2011 with experienced guys. It was garbage at temple when the faced a Mac team with a pulse in goldens 4-5 years despite him having a plethora of all Mac performers on his defense. He couldn't even beat a team with a winning record in Mac play his last 2 years. You excuses are invalid.

Golden is not running some brand new defense and plenty of young defenses have played better playing under the same philosophy. If there is an issue with philosophy **** that still falls on golden and co to adjust to the players.

Think players not plays right? Your excuse is invalid per golden himself. Think players not plays buddy.

 

[FullyERicht]

Who said it was never seen before? LMFAO Nights.

It is not opinion but fact that if you run a multiple front system, AND a mtiple coverage back end, it will take significantly longer to learn. When you couple that with the fact that this team didn't have a nutritionist until this offseason, it made it an IMPOSSIBILITY to have success.

They couldn't make kids gain experience. They couldn't magically turn our underfed 18 year olds into the 21 year old men required for the system to work. Yes, in another system, youth would not matter as much. But in this system it is CRITICAL to have strong experienced kids.

Miami had more first time starters on defense than I can remember. Now maybe those "freshmenS" would have flown around in a simpleton scheme like that of your father (or bagman), but they can't and never will in this grown man system. Unfortunately your ****** hero didn't leave anyone worth **** on this team, let alone kids who knew more than "shoot that gap and play man!"

 

[FullyERicht]

The 18th scoring defense in the country is bad? In what mathematical language?

What "experienced" players in 2011???? I didn't realize those boys had secretly been planning for Goldens hiring in 2009 and as such were practicing his system and using it on game day 2 years prior to his arrival. Fascinating! Was that Randy's idea?

 

[Newkirk]

The 18th scoring defense in the country is bad? In what mathematical language?

What "experienced" players in 2011???? I didn't realize those boys had secretly been planning for Goldens hiring in 2009 and as such were practicing his system and using it on game day 2 years prior to his arrival. Fascinating! Was that Randy's idea?

Miami defense as a whole sucked in 2011. You act like miami had a championship defense bragging about 18th ranked scoring defnese. Didnt seem to matter vs 2-10, Maryland, 4-8 Boston college and games vs Virginia and k-state where Miami was out coached IMO.

You can harp on one part of the defnese all you want. The fact is miami's defense as whole sucked and Miami had a losing record against div 1 teams.

Miami 5-6 against div teams but hey we had the 18th ranked scoring defense while giving up a boatload of yards and points against garbage offenses.


18th ranked scoring defense compiled against garbage offenses with 2 interim coaches mixed who were learning different things but I don't see you giving them that benefit of the doubt.

 

[Newkirk]

Who said it was never seen before? LMFAO Nights.

It is not opinion but fact that if you run a multiple front system, AND a mtiple coverage back end, it will take significantly longer to learn. When you couple that with the fact that this team didn't have a nutritionist until this offseason, it made it an IMPOSSIBILITY to have success.

They couldn't make kids gain experience. They couldn't magically turn our underfed 18 year olds into the 21 year old men required for the system to work. Yes, in another system, youth would not matter as much. But in this system it is CRITICAL to have strong experienced kids.

Miami had more first time starters on defense than I can remember. Now maybe those "freshmenS" would have flown around in a simpleton scheme like that of your father (or bagman), but they can't and never will in this grown man system. Unfortunately your ****** hero didn't leave anyone worth **** on this team, let alone kids who knew more than "shoot that gap and play man!"

If its fact link me then. Here's a fact. Golden is not the first coach in NCAA history to be forced to play young guys in this style defense. Again you act like golden is fielding some unknown defnese never before ran in the history of the NCAA. Are you trying to tell me ohnofrio's sorry *** defense is more complicated than Gary patterson's?

Lmfao. It don't matter anyway BECAUSE GOLDEN SAID THINK PLAYERS NOT PLAYS SO IF HE DIDNT MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT'S HIS FAULT.

"Think players not plays"~ al golden

 

[CanesGotSWAG!]

The thing with Coach D is I do totally understand the issues at the beginning of the year with depth and experience. However, I did expect the D to improve some and they didn't at all. That worries me. Even with young guys, there still is no way we should have finished in the 100s.

 

[rok]

The defense looked improved against VT and USF. And then they looked as bad as ever against UVA (no DP, EJ, Deon) and Duke (they were a potent offense).

This year's defense doesn't have as much experience as it takes to be great, but it sure as **** has enough that drastic improvement is expected.

 

[Newkirk]

So it takes 4-5 years to be strong enough to play in ohnofrio's system ( lmao) so you would think golden showers would be able to name a note worthy defensive performance in years 4-5 against a good Mac team but he can't. Lmao at it taking 4-5 years to play in a garbage defnesive system ran by guys who have never done anything with it. No championships, no note worthy performances no nothing.

 

[FullyERicht]

So let me see: a defense ranked in the top 20 is a defense that sucked? That's the kind of person we are dealing with here, someone who refutes the laws of mathematics!

You never told me whose idea it was to practice AGs defense in 2009, so they could be an "experienced" team full of "NFL players". LMFAO.

 

[FullyERicht]

Hey Nights, Jim Harbaugh is on TV right now! Maybe he'll leave the 9ers to come here! Lmfao

 

[FullyERicht]

LOLOLOL Bill Parcells system is "garbage"......Bc the only defensive system that has ever worked in history is the cover 2 man, right?

 

[Newkirk]

LOLOLOL Bill Parcells system is "garbage"......Bc the only defensive system that has ever worked in history is the cover 2 man, right?

Bill parcels isn't running it. Do you understand the difference? Who gives a **** what label you put on it the system is being ran by ohnofrio and Miami just has its worse defense in school history.

 

[Newkirk]

So let me see: a defense ranked in the top 20 is a defense that sucked? That's the kind of person we are dealing with here, someone who refutes the laws of mathematics!

You never told me whose idea it was to practice AGs defense in 2009, so they could be an "experienced" team full of "NFL players". LMFAO.

The defense was not top 20. Scoring defense category was and that was due to facing inept interim coaches and offense like ohio st. That doesn't mean the defnese as a whole was top 20. They have a category called total defense. Miami had the second lowest total defensive ranking in 15 years second only to the historical 2012 group iirc.

 

[Hurricanemike32]

LOLOLOL Bill Parcells system is "garbage"......Bc the only defensive system that has ever worked in history is the cover 2 man, right?

Bill parcels isn't running it. Do you understand the difference? Who gives a **** what label you put on it the system is being ran by ohnofrio and Miami just has its worse defense in school history.

"worse" defense in school history. Couple that with the LMFAO's and there is no doubt that this guy is the infamous Nights.

 

[bbcane]

So let me see: a defense ranked in the top 20 is a defense that sucked? That's the kind of person we are dealing with here, someone who refutes the laws of mathematics!

You never told me whose idea it was to practice AGs defense in 2009, so they could be an "experienced" team full of "NFL players". LMFAO.

The defense was not top 20. Scoring defense category was and that was due to facing inept interim coaches and offense like ohio st. That doesn't mean the defnese as a whole was top 20. They have a category called total defense. Miami had the second lowest total defensive ranking in 15 years second only to the historical 2012 group iirc.

Dude it is the same crap every where you go. We all know defense sucked last year. There is a reason the experts/ professionals picked us to finish last in the acc , and to finish with 3-5 wins.

Mods please limit his post count.