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2024 DL Kamarion Franklin 2.0 (commits to Ole Miss)

nycane said:
I could be wrong but I felt Steele held back because he didnt trust the players.
Gattis is gattis. he wont work anywhere.
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What other fanbase ***** all over a guy as a horrible hire(as most have labeled him here)that the icon of college football coaching who they **** near all consider the goat literally hired him the year after to take over as the DC at his school. Have we not noticed when most coaches left here previously they ended up at Utah state and smu and other places similar. Well this horrible hire of a coach was poached by Nick saban to take over as the defensive coordinator of Alabama... Apparently not all agree he was horrible.
 
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nycane said:
I could be wrong but I felt Steele held back because he didnt trust the players.
Gattis is gattis. he wont work anywhere.
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It's what people fail to understand with coaches. You're not just gonna call something that on paper is a great play if you know the likelihood is your unit isn't capable of pulling that play call off. It's the limitations of coaching
 
Brooklyndee said:
It's what people fail to understand with coaches. You're not just gonna call something that on paper is a great play if you know the likelihood is your unit isn't capable of pulling that play call off. It's the limitations of coaching
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he was open about his concerns with the players. at this stage in his career he probably didn't have the patience for a rebuild. that being said, I hear great things about Guidry but he still has to prove himself at the P5 level.
 
Brooklyndee said:
I'd assume even the most disgusted of fans would agree we are most certainly targeting the vast majority of top recruits. Does that then mean that's all we should want? So people here might not remember what led to Larry cokers demise is he did exactly that. All Coker went after was the top rated kids & he pushed away and did no due diligence on back up plans. When those top rated kids went elsewhere we simply filled the room with any options that eventually became available. While I agree on judd,the problem with him is people make the assumption we aren't after other qbs(top qbs) & he's supposed to be the class embassador. I know we feel he has a high upside but lord knows how long it will take to get there. Strongly doubt he ever takes a snap here & we are after several top qbs. But who knows how it plays out. The problem people are having now is they aren't content with the RESULTS that they SEE & they aren't content to simply put some trust into Mario about the one thing he has NEVER failed at. Everyone here talks about this class in past tense like they know the work being put in and the end results of what this class will look like. What I'd say to that is not many do... Patience is a virtue not granted to all. But should probably give it a try. Otherwise just stay miserable & get egg on your faces when it's all said and done. If the bar is constantly moving than atleast get good at the limbo.
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^100% agree. And although I'm just a fan, I vividly remember the Coker staff only targeting Tom Lemming's top recruit list that kickstarted the destruction of the program.
 
canesbaby said:
Fair enough. You know much more about how the day to day goes than we do but that defense was hard to watch last year. Maybe there were just a thousand things that went wrong over a season that caused the mess we saw. I'll take your word for it on Steele. As you said, you get my point though.
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Agreed with you both. Steele was just a bad fit for what we were doing imo but that doesn’t mean the guy doesn’t know how to coach defense

Then again pretty much everything felt like a bad fit last year
 
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grover said:
^100% agree. And although I'm just a fan, I vividly remember the Coker staff only targeting Tom Lemming's top recruit list that kickstarted the destruction of the program.
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See the irony in that? Now all they worry about is 247 recruiting rankings instead of lemmons. Yet another example of why you keep your fans as fans. If our evals and development are where we need them to be than this will all become irrelevant. Personally I understand the concerns due to kids making other verbal commitments now. But let's see how it all plays out. I'd rather know that right now our focus is where it needs to be. I'll worry about this class when they can sign somewhere. Everyone pulls Deions **** like he's some savant over there. Well guess what. Deions does his work at the last possible second. So why not give your own coach a lil respect? That's not saying that's what will happen or what should happen. It's simply an example that the world isn't falling in around us.
 
JHallCanes said:
Agreed with you both. Steele was just a bad fit for what we were doing imo but that doesn’t mean the guy doesn’t know how to coach defense

Then again pretty much everything felt like a bad fit last year
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i win square peg in a round hole GIF
 
nycane said:
he was open about his concerns with the players. at this stage in his career he probably didn't have the patience for a rebuild. that being said, I hear great things about Guidry but he still has to prove himself at the P5 level.
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I’ll never forget the interview he did before the MTSU game. He was genuinely concerned about his players. He wasn’t giving typical coach speak trying to not say how ****** the other team is.

I noticed it when he was speaking and wasn’t entirely sure if I was thinking too much but after the game came about I would venture to guess he wasn’t all that shocked
 
KingB02 said:
Not true. The best head coaches specialize on one side of the ball. They were coordinators before becoming head coaches. Most of the top guys have a DC that runs their defensive if they are a defensive guy (Kirby, lil Nickie, Kelly) or an OC that runs their scheme (Day, Dabo, Riley, wittingham, gundy) and many others. Being the CEO type ain’t winning
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Sure sure!! Keep telling yourself that!
Mr. Ed Orgeron would like to chop it up with you!
 
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canesbaby said:
It took Kirby what, 5 years before he won the big one? And UGA was MUCH further along than the last 20 year disaster down here. The reasonable fans won't even think about judging where things are until the end of year 3. It's clear that MC still has tons of work to do to get it where he wants it. And guess what, the guy's not perfect (Gattis and Steele for example) so it won't be a hockey stick upward either.
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Georgia HS football coaches and players never stopped loving UGA football. Richt wasn't great but he was good for a long time - enough to at least stay relevant.

Richt had that program rounding 3rd base as recently as 2012. Went a little down hill from 2013-2015. At worst Smart took over a program standing on 2nd base. Loaded with talent, but missing a QB and a culture/attitude.

Our program was set on fire by the administration (22 years prior to Mario), Coker stood around and watched the fire, Shannon came in and tried to **** on it to put it out, Golden poured gas on it, and then Richt came in and got the fire put out but wasn't able to build anything back. Then, the administration stepped in and lit the fire again by hiring Manny... and he was so oblivious and clueless he didn't even know it was burning. Then Mario steps in.. with a few pieces in the administration in place that are trying to help put the fire out, clean up the debris, and build it back.

That's the best metaphor I can give you.
 
grover said:
^100% agree. And although I'm just a fan, I vividly remember the Coker staff only targeting Tom Lemming's top recruit list that kickstarted the destruction of the program.
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Brooklyndee said:
See the irony in that? Now all they worry about is 247 recruiting rankings instead of lemmons. Yet another example of why you keep your fans as fans. If our evals and development are where we need them to be than this will all become irrelevant. Personally I understand the concerns due to kids making other verbal commitments now. But let's see how it all plays out. I'd rather know that right now our focus is where it needs to be. I'll worry about this class when they can sign somewhere. Everyone pulls Deions **** like he's some savant over there. Well guess what. Deions does his work at the last possible second. So why not give your own coach a lil respect? That's not saying that's what will happen or what should happen. It's simply an example that the world isn't falling in around us.
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It's fair to acknowledge a few things here: (1) recruiting services 20 years ago were not as thorough or accurate as recruiting services today (because there were fewer companies/professionals involved then versus now, technology has made it much easier to find and evaluate kids across the country, and football camps have blown up); (2) the 247 composite is itself an aggregate of 4 separate recruiting services (not just one man's opinion); (3) recruiting rankings today are strongly impacted by quality offers (which makes them not just an "industry" consensus, but a reflection of HC consensus, to an extent); (4) recruiting rankings are a part of the evaluation picture, but don't tell the whole story and shouldn't be considered infallible; and (5) regardless, a middle ground approach is best when it comes to recruiting and individual team evaluations.

Expanding on that last point, no self-respecting coach should be recruiting off a list generated by Lemming/Rivals/ESPN/On3/247 or any other recruiting service. Any coaching staff worth a **** should be independently evaluating recruits. Coaches need to perform due diligence on these recruits and their evaluations need to be holistic. That said, a coaching staff who tries to "outsmart the room" by grabbing multiple kids outside the top 1000 as anything but developmental projects behind other top recruits is playing with fire.

A degree of concern over the 2024 recruiting results is warranted considering a good amount of kids have committed elsewhere and we are getting closer and closer to signing day. I don't think anyone is complaining about Mario's work ethic. He desperately wants to win and is working as hard as anyone in college football to get this program on track. But this is a results-oriented business. At the end of the day, a HC is judged off wins and losses.

Lastly, Deion is a POS and comes off as a lazy recruiter. I will gladly take Mario over Deion any day. Anyone who says otherwise is being unreasonable, is trolling, or is a hopeless, Deion-slurping troglodyte.
 
JayCane20 said:
Georgia HS football coaches and players never stopped loving UGA football. Richt wasn't great but he was good for a long time - enough to at least stay relevant.

Richt had that program rounding 3rd base as recently as 2012. Went a little down hill from 2013-2015. At worst Smart took over a program standing on 2nd base. Loaded with talent, but missing a QB and a culture/attitude.

Our program was set on fire by the administration (22 years prior to Mario), Coker stood around and watched the fire, Shannon came in and tried to **** on it to put it out, Golden poured gas on it, and then Richt came in and got the fire put out but wasn't able to build anything back. Then, the administration stepped in and lit the fire again by hiring Manny... and he was so oblivious and clueless he didn't even know it was burning. Then Mario steps in.. with a few pieces in the administration in place that are trying to help put the fire out, clean up the debris, and build it back.

That's the best metaphor I can give you.
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Good stuff
 
Brooklyndee said:
It's what people fail to understand with coaches. You're not just gonna call something that on paper is a great play if you know the likelihood is your unit isn't capable of pulling that play call off. It's the limitations of coaching
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Lol. I distinctly remember Mark Richt having Navaughn Donaldson run out to try and lead block for Mark Pope on a bubble screen.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
It's fair to acknowledge a few things here: (1) recruiting services 20 years ago were not as thorough or accurate as recruiting services today (because there were fewer companies/professionals involved then versus now, technology has made it much easier to find and evaluate kids across the country, and football camps have blown up); (2) the 247 composite is itself an aggregate of 4 separate recruiting services (not just one man's opinion); (3) recruiting rankings today are strongly impacted by quality offers (which makes them not just an "industry" consensus, but a reflection of HC consensus, to an extent); (4) recruiting rankings are a part of the evaluation picture, but don't tell the whole story and shouldn't be considered infallible; and (5) regardless, a middle ground approach is best when it comes to recruiting and individual team evaluations.

Expanding on that last point, no self-respecting coach should be recruiting off a list generated by Lemming/Rivals/ESPN/On3/247 or any other recruiting service. Any coaching staff worth a **** should be independently evaluating recruits. Coaches need to perform due diligence on these recruits and their evaluations need to be holistic. That said, a coaching staff who tries to "outsmart the room" by grabbing multiple kids outside the top 1000 as anything but developmental projects behind other top recruits is playing with fire.

A degree of concern over the 2024 recruiting results is warranted considering a good amount of kids have committed elsewhere and we are getting closer and closer to signing day. I don't think anyone is complaining about Mario's work ethic. He desperately wants to win and is working as hard as anyone in college football to get this program on track. But this is a results-oriented business. At the end of the day, a HC is judged off wins and losses.

Lastly, Deion is a POS and comes off as a lazy recruiter. I will gladly take Mario over Deion any day. Anyone who says otherwise is being unreasonable, is trolling, or is a hopeless, Deion-slurping troglodyte.
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Let's see. Lots to expand on here.

#1 my experiences with these various professionals and services possibly make me a lil jaded. But I'm curious what you feel entitles someone (in the high school recruiting/rankings world)the ability to be called a professional. For example people like Andrew ivins & this Gaby kid and Furman & so on & so on they all work directly for these recruiting services and have a certain amount of input in where these kids are rated. I'd take issue with anyone who calls these people qualified professionals. It's like being charged with murder and your highly paid lawyer calling inspector gadget in for testimony as a expert witness... So while yes what you're seeing now is far more access to kids and their tapes as a result of social media etc you still have to measure it effectively. That comes as a result of individual staff evaluations. That's leads us into the next topic

#2 individual staff input that relates to offers. Schools pay these recruiting sights decent money for their evaluation/rankings just like they did previously to individuals. Many staffs to this moment throughout the country rely heavily on those lists in order to make their offers. The elite ones take it as intended and do their own evals to compound it with on top of the rest available. However you'd be surprised how many schools really don't bother with much beyond those rankings. Camps have taken on far more meaning in this process and that's how most make evals. But camps are all about testing and don't provide any context beyond that. Numbers in plenty of instances are generated by simply asking a kid a question and then recording an answer without any form of verification.


#3 you mention 247 and how it's a composite of 4 sites etc and many individuals which is a fair assessment. Problem with that is 3 of the 4 sites that go into those evals are owned by the same group of majority investors... You don't see a problem with that? I know for a fact that group of individuals has a very vested interest in how those rankings break down and I also know for a fact they are being paid handsomely as individuals who work for that company and as a company as a whole to inflate particular kids rankings. This is done annually and it's not even up for debate.

So beyond that I'll say I'm very much into the value of words. Everyone keeps speaking on 2024 results... Problem with that is there is zero results for 2024. That's my only issue. If we land Scott,Stewart etc and u guys are ecstatic now but they flip last second well what then? Cormani we were all ecstatic with and we know how that worked out. That's results. December early signing day well see results. Now it's all momentum based and we're reeling. But it's momentum. That's all.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
It's fair to acknowledge a few things here: (1) recruiting services 20 years ago were not as thorough or accurate as recruiting services today (because there were fewer companies/professionals involved then versus now, technology has made it much easier to find and evaluate kids across the country, and football camps have blown up); (2) the 247 composite is itself an aggregate of 4 separate recruiting services (not just one man's opinion); (3) recruiting rankings today are strongly impacted by quality offers (which makes them not just an "industry" consensus, but a reflection of HC consensus, to an extent); (4) recruiting rankings are a part of the evaluation picture, but don't tell the whole story and shouldn't be considered infallible; and (5) regardless, a middle ground approach is best when it comes to recruiting and individual team evaluations.

Expanding on that last point, no self-respecting coach should be recruiting off a list generated by Lemming/Rivals/ESPN/On3/247 or any other recruiting service. Any coaching staff worth a **** should be independently evaluating recruits. Coaches need to perform due diligence on these recruits and their evaluations need to be holistic. That said, a coaching staff who tries to "outsmart the room" by grabbing multiple kids outside the top 1000 as anything but developmental projects behind other top recruits is playing with fire.

A degree of concern over the 2024 recruiting results is warranted considering a good amount of kids have committed elsewhere and we are getting closer and closer to signing day. I don't think anyone is complaining about Mario's work ethic. He desperately wants to win and is working as hard as anyone in college football to get this program on track. But this is a results-oriented business. At the end of the day, a HC is judged off wins and losses.

Lastly, Deion is a POS and comes off as a lazy recruiter. I will gladly take Mario over Deion any day. Anyone who says otherwise is being unreasonable, is trolling, or is a hopeless, Deion-slurping troglodyte.
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I don't disagree, except given our disastrous 2022, I think there are committed (elsewhere) and uncommitted guys who are still in play for us. Taking a wait and see how the canes are doing, what the coordinators are like, etc, seems like a pretty solid strategy for someone who'd like to be a cane but only if not a xxxx show.
 
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