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2024 DL Kamarion Franklin 2.0 (commits to Ole Miss)

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AUcane said:
Well, we're at 15 now, aren't we? We're in line to get a couple more top 150 players before getting a chance at the real big boys, provided we have a good season. Not a stretch to say we'd be in the 8-13 range, which has been the consensus for a while now.
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He’s right though. We’re currently at 15th but we have 5 teams behind us with a higher average. Those 5 teams have 2, 4, 5, 6 and 6 commits less than us. Of the teams ahead of us, only 8 teams have more commits than us. We’re at 20th in avg per recruit. We do need to go on a run.
 
TRick72 said:
He’s right though. We’re currently at 15th but we have 5 teams behind us with a higher average. Those 5 teams have 2, 4, 5, 6 and 6 commits less than us. Of the teams ahead of us, only 8 teams have more commits than us. We’re at 20th in avg per recruit. We do need to go on a run.
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What if I told you that Nesta Silvera had a higher rating than Bain.
I’m all in on the player rating above class average.
But these sites get a lot of sht wrong.
 
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blah124 said:
we've sucked and we have a HC who can't scheme himself out of a box. we rely on talent to win. how do you get talent when you suck? overpay. you can be cheap when you start to win (im talking real winning not this oh if we win 8 game well get guys over teams that win 10-11 annually bc LOL)
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How do you plan on overpaying for everyone?
 
pacusmc said:
What if I told you that Nesta Silvera had a higher rating than Bain.
I’m all in on the player rating above class average.
But these sights get a lot of sht wrong.
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No question they get **** wrong all the time but so do coaches. Best way to minimize the effect of getting **** wrong is to constantly be stacking chips. The more top 10 classes you stack the better probability of overall team success you’re going to have. You definitely need to average a top 10 class over a 3-4 year rolling period.

It’s not a perfect science, doesn’t mean there won’t be guys that don’t live up to their ranking. Just like there’s NFL picks that don’t live up to their draft selection. Now that being said Nesta was ranked #54 overall and Bain #63, it’s not like one was a 5* and the other a mid 3*.
 
Jaxcane4 said:
Bain was also a top 100 player. I don't think anyone would be complaining if our misses still resulted in getting a top 100 player.
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I agree. But we have to stop micro analyzing every pick and every ranking.
I’m not trying to pump sunshine. I also want our class to be rated higher and land more of these elite blue chip players.
But so far the staff has been pretty good at recognizing talent.
So I’ll be content with evaluating dudes that can actually play and push for a spot than some highly rated dude that doesn’t pan out.

We tend to act like the recruiting services make no mistakes when they actually make a ton of them and we equate ranking of a class with performance n the field and the past 20 years prove that that ranking actually means very little unless you manage to stack numbers at an unbelievable advantage.
And only a few schools have been able to do that and I feel that we are in our way.
 
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pacusmc said:
I agree. But we have to stop micro analyzing every pick and every ranking.
I’m not trying to pump sunshine. I also want our class to be rated higher and land more of these elite blue chip players.
But so far the staff has been pretty good at recognizing talent.
So I’ll be content with evaluating dudes that can actually play and push for a spot than some highly rated dude that doesn’t pan out.

We tend to act like the recruiting services make no mistakes when they actually make a ton of them and we equate ranking of a class with performance n the field and the past 20 years prove that that ranking actually means very little unless you manage to stack numbers at an unbelievable advantage.
And only a few schools have been able to do that and I feel that we are in our way.
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I understand that, I get it just seems like the last 20 years we always have 1 top class per coach and the rest of the classes are usually no where close and we convince ourselves they are good evals. Just once I would like to see what would happen if we stacked 2 classes back to back. We do seem to be doing decent at evals now but even still for example McCoy is good but he's no Francis at the end of the day.
 
Jaxcane4 said:
I understand that, I get it just seems like the last 20 years we always have 1 top class per coach and the rest of the classes are usually no where close and we convince ourselves they are good evals. Just once I would like to see what would happen if we stacked 2 classes back to back. We do seem to be doing decent at evals now but even still for example McCoy is good but he's no Francis at the end of the day.
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Agreed.
But dudes like Francis don’t come every year.
 
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blah124 said:
we've sucked and we have a HC who can't scheme himself out of a box. we rely on talent to win. how do you get talent when you suck? overpay. you can be cheap when you start to win (im talking real winning not this oh if we win 8 game well get guys over teams that win 10-11 annually bc LOL)
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A HEAD COACH isn't supposed to scheme himself out of a box. Some of y'all I really question the understanding here. Coordinators are paid specifically to scheme themselves wherever we need them. Mario Cristobal doesn't employ any scheme. That's not his job. No one is being cheap. It just doesn't fit the narratives formed around here if you guys don't say it each and every day in each and every thread. Good luck with that energy
 
Brooklyndee said:
A HEAD COACH isn't supposed to scheme himself out of a box. Some of y'all I really question the understanding here. Coordinators are paid specifically to scheme themselves wherever we need them. Mario Cristobal doesn't employ any scheme. That's not his job. No one is being cheap. It just doesn't fit the narratives formed around here if you guys don't say it each and every day in each and every thread. Good luck with that energy
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Not true. The best head coaches specialize on one side of the ball. They were coordinators before becoming head coaches. Most of the top guys have a DC that runs their defensive if they are a defensive guy (Kirby, lil Nickie, Kelly) or an OC that runs their scheme (Day, Dabo, Riley, wittingham, gundy) and many others. Being the CEO type ain’t winning
 
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KingB02 said:
Not true. The best head coaches specialize on one side of the ball. They were coordinators before becoming head coaches. Most of the top guys have a DC that runs their defensive if they are a defensive guy (Kirby, lil Nickie, Kelly) or an OC that runs their scheme (Day, Dabo, Riley, wittingham, gundy) and many others. Being the CEO type ain’t winning
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Dabo was never a coordinator
 
KingB02 said:
Not true. The best head coaches specialize on one side of the ball. They were coordinators before becoming head coaches. Most of the top guys have a DC that runs their defensive if they are a defensive guy (Kirby, lil Nickie, Kelly) or an OC that runs their scheme (Day, Dabo, Riley, wittingham, gundy) and many others. Being the CEO type ain’t winning
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Thanks for the lesson. But ur wrong. The only thing you're right on is they were mostly coordinators before they became head coaches. When a head coach hires a coordinator from his side of the ball he integrates his philosophies and that's about all. But feel free to stick with that. We can go back and forth on this all day as their is plenty of examples for both sides. But you guys don't like looking at both sides. You like to think you're right and everyone else is wrong. Stick with that if you like but life's already frustrating enough.
 
Brooklyndee said:
& If he wants to include day than apparently he's saying urban liar was a CEO sort too... Off his own list it's greatly flawed but is what it is. I'll pass on the argument.
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Yep, Urban was never a coordinator. What’s funny with him is he coached on the defensive side of the ball his first years in coaching. Db’s and Lb’s. Then he moved to wr’s and qb’s.
 
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