Derick Hunter

[grover]

Walkons given ships:
Atkins at RB
Murray at TE

You have to track back to 2012. Every kid given a ship counts toward a class(except a walk-on given a ship after their 2nd year on the roster).

We will have no problem with the 85 spots. We will have a problem with landing 28 elite kids, Richt signing more than 26, and not having too much attrition.

I think the long snapper got a ship at one point, too.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Hunter was on campus today. Basically said he's always loved the U, had to decommit because of grades but now he's back on track, Miami's back on top and he's as geeked about the U than he's ever been.

I was thrilled that he is back in love with the U. We want and need DT's and I'm glad the staff understands their job re top recruits is to not give up.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Only a few of those kids counted back to 17 because 17 was a big class, too. The guy who tracks this carefully is DerekDohrman. I'll defer to him. But I'm pretty sure we can't count more than 3 to 2018 now, plus 25 to 2019, meaning we're maxed at 28. The only way we get more is if someone from 2018 never makes it to campus. Again, from my understanding, open spots from classes prior to 2018 and the 85 team cap are not relevant in this situation.

We counted plenty backwards the past couple years. We have no issue on the 25man initial counter limit, imo.

 

[Calinative]

90s, are you counting the two GTs still expected to be here in June (Odenigbo and Boulware )? Just making sure. ... Also, while I agree we end up with more than 25 spots, I'm not sure how many counters are left in the 2018 class to backfill using early entries. I think we have at most 2-3 to get to 25 there, so max for 2019 would be 27-28 unless someone from the 2018 class doesn't show up this summer.

https://gyazo.com/b0effb4a2750ed495f70cbc18fa4f31c
Pink shows Inital Counters. Blue shows guys really likely to leave early. Red shows guys that honestly should not be returning on scholarship.
*Jordan Butler is assumed to have a scholarship since he had one last year. We signed Clay James as a LS in the 2018 class, but I'm pretty sure its as a PWO. I assume the plan is to give LS's a scholarship only if we have space AND if they're in their 3rd yr (when they no longer count as initial counters).

We have 82 on the roster. We used 25/28 Initial counters from last yr. That means we have 3 that will be carried over to this signing class, which puts us at 28 again for the 2019 class, which is the max based on initial counters. If you look purely by the number of players returning, you will see that we only have 21 scholarships available for 2019 when ONLY including space created by the graduating seniors. So we definitely need the guys listed in red to transfer out so that we can actually bring in a full class. However I think it's also safe to assume one of the qbs will transfer out, possibly even one Irvin/Polendey when Jordan/Mallory both pass them up.

If it was up to me, I'd keep everyone except ALL the guys in Red would be asked to transfer. That would free up 7 scholarships, and with the 21 available after the seniors graduate, that leaves us with 28 total, which just happens to be our max for this class. However I think its still most likely we only use like 25 initial counters still, and we end up just shy of 85 for another season...but the 2020 class imo will end up a pretty small class (<20) and will be the first year at 85, and having no Al Golden specials on the team)..

 

[the23Watcher]

https://gyazo.com/b0effb4a2750ed495f70cbc18fa4f31c
Pink shows Inital Counters. Blue shows guys really likely to leave early. Red shows guys that honestly should not be returning on scholarship.
*Jordan Butler is assumed to have a scholarship since he had one last year. We signed Clay James as a LS in the 2018 class, but I'm pretty sure its as a PWO. I assume the plan is to give LS's a scholarship only if we have space AND if they're in their 3rd yr (when they no longer count as initial counters).

We have 82 on the roster. We used 25/28 Initial counters from last yr. That means we have 3 that will be carried over to this signing class, which puts us at 28 again for the 2019 class, which is the max based on initial counters. If you look purely by the number of players returning, you will see that we only have 21 scholarships available for 2019 when ONLY including space created by the graduating seniors. So we definitely need the guys listed in red to transfer out so that we can actually bring in a full class. However I think it's also safe to assume one of the qbs will transfer out, possibly even one Irvin/Polendey when Jordan/Mallory both pass them up.

If it was up to me, I'd keep everyone except ALL the guys in Red would be asked to transfer. That would free up 7 scholarships, and with the 21 available after the seniors graduate, that leaves us with 28 total, which just happens to be our max for this class. However I think its still most likely we only use like 25 initial counters still, and we end up just shy of 85 for another season...but the 2020 class imo will end up a pretty small class (<20) and will be the first year at 85, and having no Al Golden specials on the team)..

if #18 and #82 have big years, we might end up being real young for the 2019 season at WR

 

[Ethnicsands]

Most of our january enrollees can count backwards as 2017 initial counters. Same dynamic for last cycle’s January enrollees counting backwards. We had 24 commitmments in ‘17 and about 10 started in the winter. Had about 14 new kids last fall who must count towards ‘17. Leaves ~10 spots for january ‘18 new starters to count backwards (unless we were short on ability to back count from prior cycles). That should leave plenty of room for ‘19 signees.

I do not know if this math is all bolluxed up by Golden’s big class and ripple effects, but don’t have reason to think we are tight on initial counter room given how low our roster has been and january enrollees.

That said I expect Richt will take his usual 24-26 kids.

 

[Calinative]

if #18 and #82 have big years, we might end up being real young for the 2019 season at WR

I completely doubt both Cager and RIchards leave early. Richards I can see doing either, but most likely he'll be gone. Who knows maybe getting his brother would keep him around another year? In his best interest to leave though.
But Cager would only leave if he has a monster year. Otherwise with Richards gone, he'd be set up to be THE GUY at WR in 2019. Yeah Jeff Thomas would be the most talented WR, but Cager would be the X (what Richards plays).

So I'm not worried in the slightest by our potential youth at the position. I mean if we had to enter the season with:
X: Hightower/Wiggins > Njoku
SLot: Thomas/Pope > Harley
Z: Thomas/Pope > Ezzard
....and whatever WRs we are able to bring in in 2019 - have Payton committed, if we get Mark Richards, theres a good chance he wants to start out as WR instead of Safety. And we could also get Ladson. And luckily WR and RB are the 2 positions that need the least grooming in order to immediately succeed at on offense. So yeah, I'm not worried one bit.

 

[Calinative]

Most of our january enrollees can count backwards as 2017 initial counters. Same dynamic for last cycle’s January enrollees counting backwards. We had 24 commitmments in ‘17 and about 10 started in the winter. Had about 14 new kids last fall who must count towards ‘17. Leaves ~10 spots for january ‘18 new starters to count backwards (unless we were short on ability to back count from prior cycles). That should leave plenty of room for ‘19 signees.

I do not know if this math is all bolluxed up by Golden’s big class and ripple effects, but don’t have reason to think we are tight on initial counter room given how low our roster has been and january enrollees.

That said I expect Richt will take his usual 24-26 kids.

Trust me the initial counter limit this year is 28. We likely are never going to be signing classes over 25. The goal is actually to be getting classes closer to 20, because that means you're retaining a lot of your players. But we'll costantly be churning out NFL prospects, so it wont ever get too low

 

[Ethnicsands]

Trust me the initial counter limit this year is 28. We likely are never going to be signing classes over 25. The goal is actually to be getting classes closer to 20, because that means you're retaining a lot of your players. But we'll costantly be churning out NFL prospects, so it wont ever get too low

Why should I trust you?

We started around 14 kids in August. So our Jan. ‘18 enrollees can cou;t back to ‘17 unless we were counting the jan ‘17 kids forward.

If the initial counters by class are publicly listed, i would be interested to see the list.

Imo we have plenty of room, but richt will stick to his approach.

 

[Calinative]

Why should I trust you?

We started around 14 kids in August. So our Jan. ‘18 enrollees can cou;t back to ‘17 unless we were counting the jan ‘17 kids forward.

If the initial counters by class are publicly listed, i would be interested to see the list.

Imo we have plenty of room, but richt will stick to his approach.

We could only back count 3 players from the 2018 initial counters. Meaning our 2018 max was 28. You claim to have not done the math going back to previous seasons, well I'm telling you, guys here have.
So 3 of the EE's will get backcounted. That means the 2018 initial counter number ended up being 22 (including the transfers). That means there are 3 spots available for the 2019 class to be backcounted. That means the 2019 class max is 28. I don't even know why you're arguing with me, when you've already said you don't know the exact number. I'm telling you it's 28.

 

[90scane]

Let’s face the facts, until we start retaining more 4th and 5th year kids we will not get to 85. It could be 2020,2021... I do think we are headed in the right direction but we need to sign 28 Kids to get us closer. 24 Kids just kicks the can down the road.

 

[Ethnicsands]

We could only back count 3 players from the 2018 initial counters. Meaning our 2018 max was 28. You claim to have not done the math going back to previous seasons, well I'm telling you, guys here have.
So 3 of the EE's will get backcounted. That means the 2018 initial counter number ended up being 22 (including the transfers). That means there are 3 spots available for the 2019 class to be backcounted. That means the 2019 class max is 28. I don't even know why you're arguing with me, when you've already said you don't know the exact number. I'm telling you it's 28.

So you’ve gone from I should ‘trust you’ to ‘guys here’ have done this analysis. You say you know the number is 19, but can’t point to anything to support it other than some guys said so on a message board. Very convincing.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Why scholie limits matter here I don't know, But since this is a Hunter thread, Hunter won't be a reject because of any limits other than maybe academic

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Well, apparently he is going on his Alabama visit this coming weekend. Let's see what happens after that!

 

[Calinative]

So you’ve gone from I should ‘trust you’ to ‘guys here’ have done this analysis. You say you know the number is 19, but can’t point to anything to support it other than some guys said so on a message board. Very convincing.

guys here, including myself have looked at the numbers dating back to 2012 when we had a full class without question. Then when you count the number of players in the class and the transfers from those years, you figure out we had 3 that could be carried over from last class. Then we have 3 again for this class that can be carried over, making it 28.
And I never said the number is 19, you're straight up lying about that. I've continuously said the number is 28. Its like you have no reading comprehension.

 

[Ethnicsands]

guys here, including myself have looked at the numbers dating back to 2012 when we had a full class without question. Then when you count the number of players in the class and the transfers from those years, you figure out we had 3 that could be carried over from last class. Then we have 3 again for this class that can be carried over, making it 28.
And I never said the number is 19, you're straight up lying about that. I've continuously said the number is 28. Its like you have no reading comprehension.

Lol. I have no reading comprehension? Read ‘is’ as ‘in’ (in front of 19) and you’ll understand the comment, and can spare yourself all the emotion. Touchpad devices plus autocorrect can do things like that. The point should have been obvious from context here.

 

[Calinative]

Lol. I have no reading comprehension? Read ‘is’ as ‘in’ (in front of 19) and you’ll understand the comment, and can spare yourself all the emotion. Touchpad devices plus autocorrect can do things like that. The point should have been obvious from context here.

so....you're implying I have no reading comprehension because your spelling error isn't what you meant?

Lol, whatever dude, point is we have 28 initial counters to work with in 2019. You can believe it or not.
Also I've shown we only have 21 scholarships available before we hit 85 with NO attrition (meaning if the only guys that leave are the graduating seniors). I personally think we will get a class about 25, and hopefully we get most of those dudes I listed in red to transfer out...and hopefully the LBs don't declare early. I think Homer should leave early if he has a good year. And I completely doubt we can keep Richards....maybe he'd want to play a year with his brother? Idk, he's a 1st round Wr, so I doubt it.

 

[Ethnicsands]

so....you're implying I have no reading comprehension because your spelling error isn't what you meant?

Lol, whatever dude, point is we have 28 initial counters to work with in 2019. You can believe it or not.
Also I've shown we only have 21 scholarships available before we hit 85 with NO attrition (meaning if the only guys that leave are the graduating seniors). I personally think we will get a class about 25, and hopefully we get most of those dudes I listed in red to transfer out...and hopefully the LBs don't declare early. I think Homer should leave early if he has a good year. And I completely doubt we can keep Richards....maybe he'd want to play a year with his brother? Idk, he's a 1st round Wr, so I doubt it.

I have no reason to believe you or not, because you have provided nothing I have seen save emotion and references to what other people said to support your contention. You’re making this about you. I could care less. If there is any actual available external evidence other than what message board folks claim, to support your view of our initial counter posiition, i’m interested to hear it. All I know is we started around 14 kids in september, and have been well below the 85 number as well, so we appear to have reasonable room to count january enrollees backwards. You say you’ve shown otherwise. Maybe you have and I haven’t seen that porst. *shrugs*

 

[RHCanes]

Patchan will bring depth to DE and don’t be surprised he leads team in sacks.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Patchan will bring depth to DE and don’t be surprised he leads team in sacks.

I will be surprised if he leads the team in sacks, even if you tell me I shouldn’t be.