Derick Hunter

[TheOriginalCane]

Most of our january enrollees can count backwards as 2017 initial counters. Same dynamic for last cycle’s January enrollees counting backwards. We had 24 commitmments in ‘17 and about 10 started in the winter. Had about 14 new kids last fall who must count towards ‘17. Leaves ~10 spots for january ‘18 new starters to count backwards (unless we were short on ability to back count from prior cycles). That should leave plenty of room for ‘19 signees.

I do not know if this math is all bolluxed up by Golden’s big class and ripple effects, but don’t have reason to think we are tight on initial counter room given how low our roster has been and january enrollees.

That said I expect Richt will take his usual 24-26 kids.

You are completely clueless.

First, the MAXIMUM count-backs that you can EVER have are 5. No, you DON'T get to count 10 kids back to the prior year just because 10 guys enrolled in January.

Second, lots of people ignore the fact that we VOLUNTARILY reduced our IC numbers back when we VOLUNTARILY reduced our number of scholarships.

Third, people tend to ignore the transfers and late signees.

25 is going to be the cap. MAYBE we can get to 26. Lots of people don't understand the mid-year replacement rule.

 

[Ethnicsands]

You are completely clueless.

First, the MAXIMUM count-backs that you can EVER have are 5. No, you DON'T get to count 10 kids back to the prior year just because 10 guys enrolled in January.

Second, lots of people ignore the fact that we VOLUNTARILY reduced our IC numbers back when we VOLUNTARILY reduced our number of scholarships.

Third, people tend to ignore the transfers and late signees.

25 is going to be the cap. MAYBE we can get to 26. Lots of people don't understand the mid-year replacement rule.

Can you cite the ncaa rule that says 5 is the maximum you can count back? I have seen that said on message boards, but I don’t know where the idea comes from. I can’t find the rule myself, but I am no expert on searching for things on line.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Total coin flip on Hunter whether it's the NFL or prison. Could just as easily be one as the other. I have ZERO reservations about this kid going elsewhere.

Is there something in his past? Why the prison reference? Sounds a bit stereotypical to straight up racism. Put some supporting evidence of your comment or at least something that supports your opinion .

 

[FreePawn]

Is there something in his past? Why the prison reference? Sounds a bit stereotypical to straight up racism. Put some supporting evidence of your comment or at least something that supports your opinion .

There is nothing thatsupports his opinion. Total hyperbole. There have been much "worse" acting recruits who habe been nowhere near prison (Keef, Alex Collins etc)

 

[GOCANES05]

I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M YELLING.

GOCANES

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Is there something in his past? Why the prison reference? Sounds a bit stereotypical to straight up racism. Put some supporting evidence of your comment or at least something that supports your opinion .

Because I've seen this kid and where he's from and how he acts dozens of times over the years, and way more often than not, they don't work out. I genuinely hope this kid pans out and gets a degree and has a wonderful career and makes a lot of money playing professional football, no matter where he goes to school. Just with the track record of many, many kids who have come before him out of his neighborhood and many, many others who have approached this process in a similar manner that he has, I wouldn't be surprised one iota if this kid washes out like chalk on a sidewalk in a thunderstorm.

Just personally, he's an afterthought for me in this class. If he comes, great. If he doesn't, great. I won't be sold that this kid makes a hint of an impact until I see it on a football field on a Saturday in the fall.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Because I've seen this kid and where he's from and how he acts dozens of times over the years, and way more often than not, they don't work out. I genuinely hope this kid pans out and gets a degree and has a wonderful career and makes a lot of money playing professional football, no matter where he goes to school. Just with the track record of many, many kids who have come before him out of his neighborhood and many, many others who have approached this process in a similar manner that he has, I wouldn't be surprised one iota if this kid washes out like chalk on a sidewalk in a thunderstorm.

Just personally, he's an afterthought for me in this class. If he comes, great. If he doesn't, great. I won't be sold that this kid makes a hint of an impact until I see it on a football field on a Saturday in the fall.

Again, that is stereotyping a kid from where he comes from. Many people here have jumped all over this kid because of how he's handled his recruitment. The recruiting part is fair. However, digs at him because of where he's from is not. If he had stayed 100% Miami with his recruitment, then a lot of his detractors would be commending him for overcoming a tough living situation. That's hypocritical.

I don't know this kid. I don't know his background or whether he's been a "troubled" youth or not. I do know stereotypes and racism when I see it. Let's just stop it.

Again, if you know something this kid has done that makes him risky or a bad apple, then please make that point.

I put my trust in the staff that they feel this kid can be successful at Miami. CMR is not knowingly going to bring on a kid that he doesn't believe can succeed in life let a lone football. CMR is a great humanitarian. That doesn't mean that every kid has a squeeky clean past. If a kid has done some things wrong, but has turned his life around, then he may have earned the opportunity for a 2nd chance. On the flip side, we've seen CMR cut bait with kids that continued to mess up a la Sam Bruce.

Let's not pre-judge these kids. Give them the same opportunity to succeed or fail that we expect for ourselves. When they stumble and fall, will you hold out a hand to help them up or push them further down?

 

[FreePawn]

Because I've seen this kid and where he's from and how he acts dozens of times over the years, and way more often than not, they don't work out. I genuinely hope this kid pans out and gets a degree and has a wonderful career and makes a lot of money playing professional football, no matter where he goes to school. Just with the track record of many, many kids who have come before him out of his neighborhood and many, many others who have approached this process in a similar manner that he has, I wouldn't be surprised one iota if this kid washes out like chalk on a sidewalk in a thunderstorm.

Just personally, he's an afterthought for me in this class. If he comes, great. If he doesn't, great. I won't be sold that this kid makes a hint of an impact until I see it on a football field on a Saturday in the fall.

I agree with all of that and not one word of it supports your claim that it's a "total coin flip on Hunter whether it's the NFL or prison. Could just as easily be one as the other. "

 

[Lexcane]

You are completely clueless.

First, the MAXIMUM count-backs that you can EVER have are 5. No, you DON'T get to count 10 kids back to the prior year just because 10 guys enrolled in January.

Second, lots of people ignore the fact that we VOLUNTARILY reduced our IC numbers back when we VOLUNTARILY reduced our number of scholarships.

Third, people tend to ignore the transfers and late signees.

25 is going to be the cap. MAYBE we can get to 26. Lots of people don't understand the mid-year replacement rule.

Retarded. We have room for 28-29. ****, we had room for 4 more kids last year even after we ended up taking 23 plus 2 transfers. We would NOT have said no to Surtain, Campbell, Chatman, or Coburn, u stupid?

 

[Paranos]

Can you cite the ncaa rule that says 5 is the maximum you can count back? I have seen that said on message boards, but I don’t know where the idea comes from. I can’t find the rule myself, but I am no expert on searching for things on line.

Here an article about the new rule early enrollees count back being capped at 5.

https://247sports.com/Article/Colle...-Explaining-the-tweaked-25-man-rule-112220845

Go Canes

 

[Ethnicsands]

Here an article about the new rule early enrollees count back being capped at 5.

https://247sports.com/Article/Colle...-Explaining-the-tweaked-25-man-rule-112220845

Go Canes

Interesting find. The article does say that, but it doesnt cite the source of the rule. I couldnt find the rule on the ncaa site. i am not saying the article is wrong, but it would be interesting to understand where that is laid out. I don’t understand, in any case, why anyone would bother cap the number of kids who can be counted back, since there isn’t any way to game the system with count backs. The 25 initial counter rule still applies, and the 85 scholarship rule still applies. For a school operating at 85, moreover, you have to graduate kids midyear to even award new scholarships (irrespective of whether they count back or forward). There is no incentive to play under 85. There is every incentive to graduate kids. Seems like a dumb rule to limit count backs or even worry about them. But there are lots of dumb rules, so that wouldn’t be a surprise.

 

[Ethnicsands]

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_f03e6112-0a8c-11e8-9dd4-2b23fb9d9fbe.html

Here is a different article on new recruiting rules. Ot does not say there is a count back limit. Doesnt mean there isnt, but it points out something else O didnt know, which is more significant — there is a go forward hard limit on 25 new kids a year that includes kids who sogn LOIs but don’t enroll — that is a big change that will impact what kids get offered — academic risks are going to be much more costly to manage.

I assume Richt will max out what he can count back this year given roster limits, but be really careful about any wasted LOIs.

 

[Calinative]

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_f03e6112-0a8c-11e8-9dd4-2b23fb9d9fbe.html

Here is a different article on new recruiting rules. Ot does not say there is a count back limit. Doesnt mean there isnt, but it points out something else O didnt know, which is more significant — there is a go forward hard limit on 25 new kids a year that includes kids who sogn LOIs but don’t enroll — that is a big change that will impact what kids get offered — academic risks are going to be much more costly to manage.

I assume Richt will max out what he can count back this year given roster limits, but be really careful about any wasted LOIs.

This has always been the rule as far as I know. Anyone who signs an LOI counts as an intial counter. Thats why guys like Devante Bond who signed but ended up going to like a JUCO or whatever for academic reasons count against the scholarships still, and why coaches are always so hesitant to sign those types of dudes. That's why when people complain about not going hard for guys with academic issues, they're missing the point on how it can really hurt us if they don't qualify. You gotta spend the initial counter just for them to go JUCO, then you gotta spend another initial counter on him if he comes back after a yr or two. Just isn't usually worth it.

 

[Calinative]

Retarded. We have room for 28-29. ****, we had room for 4 more kids last year even after we ended up taking 23 plus 2 transfers. We would NOT have said no to Surtain, Campbell, Chatman, or Coburn, u stupid?

We had room for exactly 3 more last class. So yes, we would have said no to Chatman.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

FWIW Hunter tweeted he is making a "Big announcement" on 4/25.

 

[Hegemon]

Again, that is stereotyping a kid from where he comes from. Many people here have jumped all over this kid because of how he's handled his recruitment. The recruiting part is fair. However, digs at him because of where he's from is not. If he had stayed 100% Miami with his recruitment, then a lot of his detractors would be commending him for overcoming a tough living situation. That's hypocritical.

I don't know this kid. I don't know his background or whether he's been a "troubled" youth or not. I do know stereotypes and racism when I see it. Let's just stop it.

Again, if you know something this kid has done that makes him risky or a bad apple, then please make that point.

I put my trust in the staff that they feel this kid can be successful at Miami. CMR is not knowingly going to bring on a kid that he doesn't believe can succeed in life let a lone football. CMR is a great humanitarian. That doesn't mean that every kid has a squeeky clean past. If a kid has done some things wrong, but has turned his life around, then he may have earned the opportunity for a 2nd chance. On the flip side, we've seen CMR cut bait with kids that continued to mess up a la Sam Bruce.

Let's not pre-judge these kids. Give them the same opportunity to succeed or fail that we expect for ourselves. When they stumble and fall, will you hold out a hand to help them up or push them further down?

You don't know anything about the kid or his background and this guy does but it is "stereotyping" and "racist" to say what he said?

What's it like constantly having that race card to pull? Christ it gets overused and this is a prime example.

The kid is not acting like a professional point blank period. Anyone who has watched recruiting knows that if a kid commits to 50 11 schools and constantly blows up social media with nonsense REGARDLESS OF COLOR has a very slim chance of pulling head from *** when they get to college.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

FWIW Hunter tweeted he is making a "Big announcement" on 4/25.

Probably a Top 8 or something equally ridiculous.

 

[Hegemon]

FWIW Hunter tweeted he is making a "Big announcement" on 4/25.

He prefers Cookie Dough over Cookies N' Cream ice cream.

Nothing to see here.

 

[Ethnicsands]

This has always been the rule as far as I know. Anyone who signs an LOI counts as an intial counter. Thats why guys like Devante Bond who signed but ended up going to like a JUCO or whatever for academic reasons count against the scholarships still, and why coaches are always so hesitant to sign those types of dudes. That's why when people complain about not going hard for guys with academic issues, they're missing the point on how it can really hurt us if they don't qualify. You gotta spend the initial counter just for them to go JUCO, then you gotta spend another initial counter on him if he comes back after a yr or two. Just isn't usually worth it.

I am not an ncaa rule expert but the definition of initial counter in all i can find has been an athlete who receives financial aid in a sport for the first time. That would not pick up LOIs, just kids who receive aid. Since the article I found talked abo7t changes in rule, amd pointed to kids who don’t enroll now counting, I take that to mean the new rule is dofferent from the old one, on this topic.

I have no idea where people get the info to say Bond did or dodn’t count previously.

 

[Calinative]

You are completely clueless.

First, the MAXIMUM count-backs that you can EVER have are 5. No, you DON'T get to count 10 kids back to the prior year just because 10 guys enrolled in January.

Second, lots of people ignore the fact that we VOLUNTARILY reduced our IC numbers back when we VOLUNTARILY reduced our number of scholarships.

Third, people tend to ignore the transfers and late signees.

25 is going to be the cap. MAYBE we can get to 26. Lots of people don't understand the mid-year replacement rule.

Nah dude, we have 3 open spots in the 2018 class still that the 2019 class can use to backcount. That gives us 28 this yr as far as initial counters are concerned. But hey at least you point out that we did undergo reduced scholarships with the whole NCAA sanctions BS. Plus everyone does forget about the transfers, or potentially any Walkons who we're given scholarships (Walkons have to be in their 3rd/4th yr to not count as an IC if they're given a scholarship). But I agree with the fact that in all likelihood we will use closer to 25/26. And it makes sense because you don't want to take the huge classes. You want to average classes closer to 23. Averaging 25 means you are having a lot of attrition, and if those are from putting guys in the league its ok, otherwise its a sign you're roster isn't at the Championship level.

We still have about 7 scholarships being used by guys that should be asked to transfer out after this year, regardless how man we bring in to the 2019 class. So Ideally we probably get a class of like 26, and get those 7 guys to transfer out. Sure it may result in us being at like 80-82 scholarships again on the season for 2019, but imo the effect are positive, and the 2020 class would definitely be the class that finally brings us back to 85 scholarship worthy players. Sure we could just bring in like 26 in 2019 and only have like 5 guys transfer/declare early and be at 85, but that isn't better if 5+ of those spots are to guys who shouldn't be on scholarship here and wont ever make an impact, even as a depth player.