Defensive Scheme vs Talent

[Gamineal]

The Total D stat is one thing....just look at the plays we gave up over 80 plays to teams last year..compared to 60 in 2011 and giving up 5 yards a run will not allow you easy wins
it was the perfect storm last year

young players
2nd yr staff
ncaa turmoil
Injuries
Schedule ( 3 bcs teams 2 on the road ) (ND FSU KST)..2 hiesman Qbs

It HAS to get better....

 

[Picksix]

It is called roster management and you don't have control of it until you inherit a roster. Once you are in charge of the roster you are able to control the depth chart and players on the roster, then you can lessen the effects of attrition/graduation. Once you can replace players with other players you have been coaching and developing for a year or two (S&C, proper nutrition), then the effects of turnover are less.

There will always be youth and younger players playing hopefully because they are really skilled and not by force. But to inherit what Al was given is not the same thing as a youth excuse. It is was actually happened.

You don't really expect some our fans to understand this concept do you. WhatTheHell doesn't understand roster management. We're going to have to wait every four years to field a defense. Seriously, you can't make this **** up.

You can tell most of these fans who don't get it are young as ****. They've never been through a rebuild and have no patience or vision. They think true freshmen step on the field and dominate. They never saw Ed Reed develop into what he is now. They don't get it that he hasn't always been Ed Reed.

It has to be Coach D because they're simple minds can't wrap their heads around development and growth taking time to come to fruition.

 

[Picksix]

That 2005 defense against VaTech had Campbell, Nanton, Beason, Merriweather, Philips, Jennings, Maxey and company on it.

 

[WhatTheHell]

This thread needs more retarded homers.

 

[Coach Macho]

For all the people who want to blame the scheme/coahing, which players do you feel would have performed at a higher level in a different defense? You want to say youth and the depth chart was an excuse, then you're saying those players are better than the 116th ranked defense, and just underperformed in the defense we ran. So what players would have performed at such a higher level in a different defense that we would have had a top ___ ranked defense?

A case can be made that the whole Defensive Line would've played better had they been allowed to play a 1-gap technique. Our guys up front were not built to do what we were asking them to do.

Not saying it's true, but it's a fair and logical answer to your question.

I think D'Onofrio could've scaled it down a little bit. He ran alot of stuff. Too much stuff for a group so young.

With that said, I'm assuming the plan was to install his scheme through and through, and take our lumps in the process. (which might be better in the long run)

 

[Dghustla]

There are some interesting topics here. A few things of note. I'm not giving Donofiro a pass. I think the hallmark of a great coach is to get average players to be player beyond their talent level. He is not a great coach we know that. But I can't put it all on him.
Last year we saw tons of blown assignments. He's not reinventing the wheel here. there are tons of teams running this style defense. We know it can work but it requires the right personnel. So to the points in this thread.

So our fans keep claiming that Coach D isn't a great coach but yet his name keeps being mentioned for Head Coaching positions? Our fans are ****ing retarded.

The defense sucked because the defensive depth chart sucked. It had nothing to do with scheme or coaching. The fans bashing Coach D will look just as stupid a the fans who bashed Butch prematurely. History has a funny way of repeating itself.

Do you honestly believe that every person to get a head coaching gig is a great coach? There is a lot more to getting the HC job than just X's & O's and a lot of it is politics.

Here is a great Example, do you think Dave Wanstadt was a great coach? How about Joker Phillips?

 

[rok]

It is called roster management and you don't have control of it until you inherit a roster. Once you are in charge of the roster you are able to control the depth chart and players on the roster, then you can lessen the effects of attrition/graduation. Once you can replace players with other players you have been coaching and developing for a year or two (S&C, proper nutrition), then the effects of turnover are less.

There will always be youth and younger players playing hopefully because they are really skilled and not by force. But to inherit what Al was given is not the same thing as a youth excuse. It is was actually happened.

You don't really expect some our fans to understand this concept do you. WhatTheHell doesn't understand roster management. We're going to have to wait every four years to field a defense. Seriously, you can't make this **** up.

You can tell most of these fans who don't get it are young as ****. They've never been through a rebuild and have no patience or vision. They think true freshmen step on the field and dominate. They never saw Ed Reed develop into what he is now. They don't get it that he hasn't always been Ed Reed.

It has to be Coach D because they're simple minds can't wrap their heads around development and growth taking time to come to fruition.

There's a polite way to say this

 

[Picksix]

This thread needs more retarded homers.

Wait... Please tell us again how we're going to have to wait every 4 years to have a good defense. That was awesome!

 

[Picksix]

It is called roster management and you don't have control of it until you inherit a roster. Once you are in charge of the roster you are able to control the depth chart and players on the roster, then you can lessen the effects of attrition/graduation. Once you can replace players with other players you have been coaching and developing for a year or two (S&C, proper nutrition), then the effects of turnover are less.

There will always be youth and younger players playing hopefully because they are really skilled and not by force. But to inherit what Al was given is not the same thing as a youth excuse. It is was actually happened.

You don't really expect some our fans to understand this concept do you. WhatTheHell doesn't understand roster management. We're going to have to wait every four years to field a defense. Seriously, you can't make this **** up.

You can tell most of these fans who don't get it are young as ****. They've never been through a rebuild and have no patience or vision. They think true freshmen step on the field and dominate. They never saw Ed Reed develop into what he is now. They don't get it that he hasn't always been Ed Reed.

It has to be Coach D because they're simple minds can't wrap their heads around development and growth taking time to come to fruition.

There's a polite way to say this

That was the polite way to say that.

 

[Picksix]

For all the people who want to blame the scheme/coahing, which players do you feel would have performed at a higher level in a different defense? You want to say youth and the depth chart was an excuse, then you're saying those players are better than the 116th ranked defense, and just underperformed in the defense we ran. So what players would have performed at such a higher level in a different defense that we would have had a top ___ ranked defense?

A case can be made that the whole Defensive Line would've played better had they been allowed to play a 1-gap technique. Our guys up front were not built to do what we were asking them to do.

Not saying it's true, but it's a fair and logical answer to your question.

I think D'Onofrio could've scaled it down a little bit. He ran alot of stuff. Too much stuff for a group so young.

With that said, I'm assuming the plan was to install his scheme through and through, and take our lumps in the process. (which might be better in the long run)

Blah...blah, blah... blah, blah, blah, blah.....

So now you want the coaching staff to cut corners rather than implement their plan for the future? Notice how you didn't mention any names just made some BS comments and proceeded to continue with your agenda of a BS theory that Miami doesn't have and will never have players that can run a 3-4?

Change is difficult for some but in time you'll grow to accept the new changes.

 

[WhatTheHell]

This thread needs more retarded homers.

Wait... Please tell us again how we're going to have to wait every 4 years to have a good defense. That was awesome!

That's how often we'll field a good defense under Dorito, right? Everyone has to be a senior across the board or else we'll be terrible.

 

[Picksix]

This thread needs more retarded homers.

Wait... Please tell us again how we're going to have to wait every 4 years to have a good defense. That was awesome!

That's how often we'll field a good defense under Dorito, right? Everyone has to be a senior across the board or else we'll be terrible.

What was that about needing more retards in this thread?

 

[WhatTheHell]

Worse than Nevada, Tulane, Kansas, Idaho, New Mexico St, Eastern Michigan, Wyoming, Toledo, Akron, Marshall, UTEP, Troy, Midd Tenn - gonna run out of room on defense, but it's ok because we were young, guys. Saban, Meyer, and Stoops never inherited a young defense when they took over a program. The talent at the University of Miami was clearly worse than 118 other teams in the country. 2023. That's the year..that's the year the stars will align when 11, 23-year-old redshirt seniors take the field, and then, and ONLY then can we expect to crack double digits in defensive rankings.

It's a process, fellas. Hang in there.

 

[Picksix]

Worse than Nevada, Tulane, Kansas, Idaho, New Mexico St, Eastern Michigan, Wyoming, Toledo, Akron, Marshall, UTEP, Troy, Midd Tenn - gonna run out of room on defense, but it's ok because we were young, guys. Saban, Meyer, and Stoops never inherited a young defense when they took over a program. The talent at the University of Miami was clearly worse than 118 other teams in the country. 2023. That's the year..that's the year the stars will align when 11, 23-year-old redshirt seniors take the field, and then, and ONLY then can we expect to crack double digits in defensive rankings.

It's a process, fellas. Hang in there.

Full ****** ahead bruh...

 

[dg151]

 

[ScubaCane]

Jimmy Johnson said it best: "It's about Jimmy's and Joe's not X's and O's"

 

[Picksix]

Jimmy Johnson said it best: "It's about Jimmy's and Joe's not X's and O's"

Come on... the fans hating on Coach D weren't old enough to witness the Butch rebuild. Mentioning Jimmy Johnson is like talking about dinosaurs.

 

[rok]

The defense in 1997 wasn't as bad as 2012 and that was a team with about 65 players on it. There's no question that youth and a lack of talent played a big role in our struggles last season but to pretend like none of it is attributable to the coaches is 100% homerism.

 

[DaU83]

There are some interesting topics here. A few things of note. I'm not giving Donofiro a pass. I think the hallmark of a great coach is to get average players to be player beyond their talent level. He is not a great coach we know that. But I can't put it all on him.
Last year we saw tons of blown assignments. He's not reinventing the wheel here. there are tons of teams running this style defense. We know it can work but it requires the right personnel. So to the points in this thread.

So our fans keep claiming that Coach D isn't a great coach but yet his name keeps being mentioned for Head Coaching positions? Our fans are ****ing retarded.

The defense sucked because the defensive depth chart sucked. It had nothing to do with scheme or coaching. The fans bashing Coach D will look just as stupid a the fans who bashed Butch prematurely. History has a funny way of repeating itself.

Do you honestly believe that every person to get a head coaching gig is a great coach? There is a lot more to getting the HC job than just X's & O's and a lot of it is politics.

Here is a great Example, do you think Dave Wanstadt was a great coach? How about Joker Phillips?

ahem... Randy Shannon.

 

[DaU83]

For all the people who want to blame the scheme/coahing, which players do you feel would have performed at a higher level in a different defense? You want to say youth and the depth chart was an excuse, then you're saying those players are better than the 116th ranked defense, and just underperformed in the defense we ran. So what players would have performed at such a higher level in a different defense that we would have had a top ___ ranked defense?

A case can be made that the whole Defensive Line would've played better had they been allowed to play a 1-gap technique. Our guys up front were not built to do what we were asking them to do.

Not saying it's true, but it's a fair and logical answer to your question.

I think D'Onofrio could've scaled it down a little bit. He ran alot of stuff. Too much stuff for a group so young.

With that said, I'm assuming the plan was to install his scheme through and through, and take our lumps in the process. (which might be better in the long run)

that may be true, but it would go against everything they teach etc ..