Day 4 Spring Practice/ Pro Day Discussion

[Coach Macho]

Henderson is a tackle and rarely has to drive a head up guy straight backwards. You'd like to see him dominate in any situation but, that drill isn't really what his position is all about.

If he gets a 5-technique lined up on his outside shoulder you'd like to see him be able to bury the man. Although the actual game is slightly different, the drill is for working on contact, hand placement and leg drive...all of which are universal on the O-line.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Henderson dump anybody. He kinda just gets in the way of people. LOL

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

Henderson is a tackle and rarely has to drive a head up guy straight backwards. You'd like to see him dominate in any situation but, that drill isn't really what his position is all about.

If he gets a 5-technique lined up on his outside shoulder you'd like to see him be able to bury the man. Although the actual game is slightly different, the drill is for working on contact, hand placement and leg drive...all of which are universal on the O-line.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Henderson dump anybody. He kinda just gets in the way of people. LOL

Henderson still spends half his snaps dropping into PP and a lot of run plays making lateral blocks, all I was gettin at.

 

[The Franchise]

Humph**.....some people don't really know what they're lookin at, Franchise...

Big Hendo made Corey look like he had a hinge in his lower back. What do dudes expect?

Actually, King won that battle.

On first contact, it's Henderson that's going backwards. As an O-lineman it's my job to MOVE YOU out of your gap. If I stay put in my spot and you can't move me well then I've won.

The reason King bent his back like that is because he was rolling his hips. D-linemen are taught to roll their hip to help create separation. Henderson wasn't folding him up, and even if he was King didn't go anywhere. (and that's his primary job)

I didn't see it the way you did.

Then maybe you were watching a different video cause that's exactly what happened. lol

OK

 

[ARJB]

Henderson is a tackle and rarely has to drive a head up guy straight backwards. You'd like to see him dominate in any situation but, that drill isn't really what his position is all about.

If he gets a 5-technique lined up on his outside shoulder you'd like to see him be able to bury the man. Although the actual game is slightly different, the drill is for working on contact, hand placement and leg drive...all of which are universal on the O-line.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Henderson dump anybody. He kinda just gets in the way of people. LOL

Then you aren't paying attention. ****, his freshman year alone he was knocking guys around.

 

[OkieCane]

He kept Werner in check, and he's a first round pick. SH has the ability/size, he needs to get nasty......

 

[The Franchise]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Saban's genius is in having his team playing at a high level mentally every fugging week. He doesn't allow them to sag like other corches do and get beat when they shouldn't. His team is full of 4 and 5 stars who play at 4 and 5 star levels because he has them mentally prepared every week.

There aren't many HCs who are reinventing football at this point. Every good coach knows all the plays and formations and all that ****. They all know the same stuff.

There are a select few who are renowned as gameday geniuses for their strategic moves, and that's usually all hype. Belichick used to be a guy like that (suddenly not so smart) and so was Joe Gibbs his first time around (notice how he got dumb the 2nd stint with the Skins though). A lot of that coaching gameday genius **** is overblown by fans and media nerds looking to create superheroes out of coaches.

The great HCs do one thing better than the others on gameday, and that's having their troops playing at a very high emotional/mental level. The great HCs, like Saban, are great leaders of men and great button pushers. They're not guys sitting in a lab with beekers and microscopes and white smoks concocting some other worldly plan that no one has ever seen. Good football guys have seen everything at this point. HCs aren't even involved in all that **** anyway. That's what their coordinators are for--putting together gameplans and making calls while the bullets are flying.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Don't know where you get that Saban is not a great game day coach. Saban is a freakin Bobby Fisher.

BTW it took the great Saban 10 years as a HC to win a MNC. Golden is going on his 8th.

 

[2Focusd804]

I like the expectations everyone has (undefeated, National Champs, etc), but that's what leads to the ledge-jumping on this board during the regular season after a loss

Ledge-jumping? No Disappointed? Yes because I know the potential of the team. It's like Bama fans after the A&M loss they were devasted. Why? Because they thought it put a hamper in their chances to reach the NC. Until KSU started losing.

Were you around after last years UVA loss? There was ledge jumpin, self mutialtion, hari kari'ing, acid drinking, on and on. It's the way it works, fans build a team up, then explode when the team they built isn't as good as they built them up to be.

/It happes to all teams, kinda fun to watch

I was at the game, contemplating how many of those UVA fans i could merk before the overwhelming numbers took me out

 

[CaneAlmighty]

"you guys who feel he is the "guy""

That kinda makes it sound like you're not one

i know, i wanted to ask you folks who were certain he was. i'll go ahead and admit that i don't know yet

But yet you are predicting an undefeated season??
So then you must think this team is really really good.
And if a team is really really good, wouldn't you think that of the coach?
Or did the team recruit, develop and coach themselves up to the point where some folks have them going undefeated?

 

[Coach Macho]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Henderson is a tackle and rarely has to drive a head up guy straight backwards. You'd like to see him dominate in any situation but, that drill isn't really what his position is all about.

If he gets a 5-technique lined up on his outside shoulder you'd like to see him be able to bury the man. Although the actual game is slightly different, the drill is for working on contact, hand placement and leg drive...all of which are universal on the O-line.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Henderson dump anybody. He kinda just gets in the way of people. LOL

Then you aren't paying attention. ****, his freshman year alone he was knocking guys around.

You could be right. I don't pay THAT much attention to him but i don't ever recall him locking on to somebody and taking them for a ride. He's not even known for his tenacity.

If Henderson was as good as our fans think he is then he'd be playing LEFT tackle.

 

[jerzeycane]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Henderson is a tackle and rarely has to drive a head up guy straight backwards. You'd like to see him dominate in any situation but, that drill isn't really what his position is all about.

If he gets a 5-technique lined up on his outside shoulder you'd like to see him be able to bury the man. Although the actual game is slightly different, the drill is for working on contact, hand placement and leg drive...all of which are universal on the O-line.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Henderson dump anybody. He kinda just gets in the way of people. LOL

Then you aren't paying attention. ****, his freshman year alone he was knocking guys around.

You could be right. I don't pay THAT much attention to him but i don't ever recall him locking on to somebody and taking them for a ride. He's not even known for his tenacity.

If Henderson was as good as our fans think he is then he'd be playing LEFT tackle.

Actually, Golden has previously stated that Seantrel has an injury that makes it more difficult for him to play the left side than the right...TIFWIW

 

[weownfsu]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Henderson is a tackle and rarely has to drive a head up guy straight backwards. You'd like to see him dominate in any situation but, that drill isn't really what his position is all about.

If he gets a 5-technique lined up on his outside shoulder you'd like to see him be able to bury the man. Although the actual game is slightly different, the drill is for working on contact, hand placement and leg drive...all of which are universal on the O-line.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Henderson dump anybody. He kinda just gets in the way of people. LOL

Then you aren't paying attention. ****, his freshman year alone he was knocking guys around.

You could be right. I don't pay THAT much attention to him but i don't ever recall him locking on to somebody and taking them for a ride. He's not even known for his tenacity.

If Henderson was as good as our fans think he is then he'd be playing LEFT tackle.

Yes, he's right. You aren't paying much attention. And it's the opposite, if he wasn't very "tenacious" then he certainly would not be playing right tackle.

 

[Coach Macho]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Henderson is a tackle and rarely has to drive a head up guy straight backwards. You'd like to see him dominate in any situation but, that drill isn't really what his position is all about.

If he gets a 5-technique lined up on his outside shoulder you'd like to see him be able to bury the man. Although the actual game is slightly different, the drill is for working on contact, hand placement and leg drive...all of which are universal on the O-line.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Henderson dump anybody. He kinda just gets in the way of people. LOL

Then you aren't paying attention. ****, his freshman year alone he was knocking guys around.

You could be right. I don't pay THAT much attention to him but i don't ever recall him locking on to somebody and taking them for a ride. He's not even known for his tenacity.

If Henderson was as good as our fans think he is then he'd be playing LEFT tackle.

Yes, he's right. You aren't paying much attention. And it's the opposite, if he wasn't very "tenacious" then he certainly would not be playing right tackle.

Cool. Can someone show me? Maybe give me an example or some actual footage?

Never heard Henderson referred to as tenacious. Ever.

 

[Coach Macho]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Henderson is a tackle and rarely has to drive a head up guy straight backwards. You'd like to see him dominate in any situation but, that drill isn't really what his position is all about.

If he gets a 5-technique lined up on his outside shoulder you'd like to see him be able to bury the man. Although the actual game is slightly different, the drill is for working on contact, hand placement and leg drive...all of which are universal on the O-line.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Henderson dump anybody. He kinda just gets in the way of people. LOL

Then you aren't paying attention. ****, his freshman year alone he was knocking guys around.

You could be right. I don't pay THAT much attention to him but i don't ever recall him locking on to somebody and taking them for a ride. He's not even known for his tenacity.

If Henderson was as good as our fans think he is then he'd be playing LEFT tackle.

Actually, Golden has previously stated that Seantrel has an injury that makes it more difficult for him to play the left side than the right...TIFWIW

Oh, that makes sense then.

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Saban's genius is in having his team playing at a high level mentally every fugging week. He doesn't allow them to sag like other corches do and get beat when they shouldn't. His team is full of 4 and 5 stars who play at 4 and 5 star levels because he has them mentally prepared every week.

There aren't many HCs who are reinventing football at this point. Every good coach knows all the plays and formations and all that ****. They all know the same stuff.

There are a select few who are renowned as gameday geniuses for their strategic moves, and that's usually all hype. Belichick used to be a guy like that (suddenly not so smart) and so was Joe Gibbs his first time around (notice how he got dumb the 2nd stint with the Skins though). A lot of that coaching gameday genius **** is overblown by fans and media nerds looking to create superheroes out of coaches.

The great HCs do one thing better than the others on gameday, and that's having their troops playing at a very high emotional/mental level. The great HCs, like Saban, are great leaders of men and great button pushers. They're not guys sitting in a lab with beekers and microscopes and white smoks concocting some other worldly plan that no one has ever seen. Good football guys have seen everything at this point. HCs aren't even involved in all that **** anyway. That's what their coordinators are for--putting together gameplans and making calls while the bullets are flying.

Seems like you're trying to dismiss my POV by making arguments I already acknowledged. I didn't say Saban sucks, just that his strength isn't on gameday and that I think Golden is taking a similar approach with the caveat that he has the luxury of playmaking talent from SoFla. Which I still consider superior to any talent base in the country.

 

[Biscuits]

How often do you see tackles locking onto dudes and pile driving them?

I don't see it a lot. Here's one sites take on the top ten prospects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH2KInI4L7E

 

[cwoy2j]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Saban's genius is in having his team playing at a high level mentally every fugging week. He doesn't allow them to sag like other corches do and get beat when they shouldn't. His team is full of 4 and 5 stars who play at 4 and 5 star levels because he has them mentally prepared every week.

There aren't many HCs who are reinventing football at this point. Every good coach knows all the plays and formations and all that ****. They all know the same stuff.

There are a select few who are renowned as gameday geniuses for their strategic moves, and that's usually all hype. Belichick used to be a guy like that (suddenly not so smart) and so was Joe Gibbs his first time around (notice how he got dumb the 2nd stint with the Skins though). A lot of that coaching gameday genius **** is overblown by fans and media nerds looking to create superheroes out of coaches.

The great HCs do one thing better than the others on gameday, and that's having their troops playing at a very high emotional/mental level. The great HCs, like Saban, are great leaders of men and great button pushers. They're not guys sitting in a lab with beekers and microscopes and white smoks concocting some other worldly plan that no one has ever seen. Good football guys have seen everything at this point. HCs aren't even involved in all that **** anyway. That's what their coordinators are for--putting together gameplans and making calls while the bullets are flying.

****, Gibbs wasn't even that bad the 2nd time around. He was out of touch with today's game but he got the Skins to the playoffs two time in four years when they'd only gone once in something like 15 years before that. And he did it with Jason Campbell and Todd Collins under center.

 

[88]

I rewatched the NC State, Fsu, Usf, Virginia and Vt games the last couple days. I don't recall Henderson giving up a sack or even a hurry in any of the games except for Werner in garbage time. Bunche on the other hand... Was giving up a sack or hurry on what seemed like every other play. He has a real problem vs pass rushers. In a couple of the games they subbed in Flowers for the rest of the game and he shut it down.

 

[Oh Snap]

Seantrel is gonna go down as one of the most unappreciated Canes ever after he is done here.