Day 4 Spring Practice/ Pro Day Discussion

[skyman]

Seantrel is gonna go down as one of the most unappreciated Canes ever after he is done here.

Feel the same way.. Even worse the miller..

 

[jakeman1]

I think the combination of the extra year under Golden's influence, and the promise of 1st round money is going to be huge for him.

 

[canecountry3]

I, for one, am not worried about Henderson. This is the best OL Miami has had in a long time.

 

[DiegoCane]

I, for one, am not worried about Henderson. This is the best OL Miami has had in a long time.

Henderson and Flowers are both future 1st round picks. Not many colleges can say they have 2 1st round OTs.

Not to mention Linder, Feliciano, Bunche are all guys that will get drafted as OGs.

This OL should be dominant.

 

[Staybon]

I, for one, am not worried about Henderson. This is the best OL Miami has had in a long time.

Henderson and Flowers are both future 1st round picks. Not many colleges can say they have 2 1st round OTs.

Not to mention Linder, Feliciano, Bunche are all guys that will get drafted as OGs.

This OL should be dominant.

I could see Bunche getting drafted as a RT. Just will depend on their system.

 

[drifters1234]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Saban's genius is in having his team playing at a high level mentally every fugging week. He doesn't allow them to sag like other corches do and get beat when they shouldn't. His team is full of 4 and 5 stars who play at 4 and 5 star levels because he has them mentally prepared every week.

There aren't many HCs who are reinventing football at this point. Every good coach knows all the plays and formations and all that ****. They all know the same stuff.

There are a select few who are renowned as gameday geniuses for their strategic moves, and that's usually all hype. Belichick used to be a guy like that (suddenly not so smart) and so was Joe Gibbs his first time around (notice how he got dumb the 2nd stint with the Skins though). A lot of that coaching gameday genius **** is overblown by fans and media nerds looking to create superheroes out of coaches.

The great HCs do one thing better than the others on gameday, and that's having their troops playing at a very high emotional/mental level. The great HCs, like Saban, are great leaders of men and great button pushers. They're not guys sitting in a lab with beekers and microscopes and white smoks concocting some other worldly plan that no one has ever seen. Good football guys have seen everything at this point. HCs aren't even involved in all that **** anyway. That's what their coordinators are for--putting together gameplans and making calls while the bullets are flying.

that's why Jimmy with his psychology degree was so effective

 

[Coach Macho]

How often do you see tackles locking onto dudes and pile driving them?

I don't see it a lot. Here's one sites take on the top ten prospects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH2KInI4L7E

Plenty, especially when the offense runs "power". The tackle is the "down block" on either a 3-technique or a linebacker, in which case he gets to lock on and take the interior defensive player for a ride. Saw it quite a few times when #70 was playing RT.

That YouTube film only confirms my belief. Its hardly impressive.

 

[The Franchise]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Saban's genius is in having his team playing at a high level mentally every fugging week. He doesn't allow them to sag like other corches do and get beat when they shouldn't. His team is full of 4 and 5 stars who play at 4 and 5 star levels because he has them mentally prepared every week.

There aren't many HCs who are reinventing football at this point. Every good coach knows all the plays and formations and all that ****. They all know the same stuff.

There are a select few who are renowned as gameday geniuses for their strategic moves, and that's usually all hype. Belichick used to be a guy like that (suddenly not so smart) and so was Joe Gibbs his first time around (notice how he got dumb the 2nd stint with the Skins though). A lot of that coaching gameday genius **** is overblown by fans and media nerds looking to create superheroes out of coaches.

The great HCs do one thing better than the others on gameday, and that's having their troops playing at a very high emotional/mental level. The great HCs, like Saban, are great leaders of men and great button pushers. They're not guys sitting in a lab with beekers and microscopes and white smoks concocting some other worldly plan that no one has ever seen. Good football guys have seen everything at this point. HCs aren't even involved in all that **** anyway. That's what their coordinators are for--putting together gameplans and making calls while the bullets are flying.

Seems like you're trying to dismiss my POV by making arguments I already acknowledged. I didn't say Saban sucks, just that his strength isn't on gameday and that I think Golden is taking a similar approach with the caveat that he has the luxury of playmaking talent from SoFla. Which I still consider superior to any talent base in the country.

Seemed to me like I wasn't doing anything like that at all. Seems like I was actually bolstering your position.

 

[bes628]

Seantrel is gonna go down as one of the most unappreciated Canes ever after he is done here.

Feel the same way.. Even worse the miller..

along with C-Mac, and Kenny Phillips. This fanbase has a habit of doing that.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Seantrel is gonna go down as one of the most unappreciated Canes ever after he is done here.

Feel the same way.. Even worse the miller..

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

 

[Coach Macho]

I don't think Henderson is unappreciated at all. I just think that some people aren't very impressed with him. He has yet to live up to his hype. He's the most highly touted lineman on our team but he's maybe the 3rd best in terms of actual on -field production...atleast that's how he grades out. (usually behind Linder and Feliciano) He hasn't even been able to truly lock down a spot on the O-line since he's been here. He's always "battling it out" with somebody whether it be Bunche, Flowers or Feliciano. He hasn't been able to solidify himself.

Nobody in here can honestly say this guy has lived up to the hype of a 6'8" 340lb five-star recruit. Let's be honest.

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

Not disagreeing that Saban has more years under his belt. One thing I will point out is that he doesn't necessarily have a reputation for being a great gameday coach either. Even with all of his experience. I think he gets the nod for team building and preparation, not so much for in game adjustments and schemes. He operates on the premise that other teams will have to stop him from doing what he wants to do. I mean let's be honest his approach to the game is not terribly complicated. If he were to get any credit for his Xs and Os I guess it would be in the secondary, beyond that it's just a bully mentality. I'm bigger and stronger and you have to figure out how to stop me.

For the record I don't think Golden's, or any other great coach's, approach is far off of that. Save the idea that Golden likes a bit flashier offense and he knows at Miami he can get those players. Titles or not Alabama (the state) isn't producing the pieces needed to play offense like the notoriously explosive teams in the country like Miami, USC, Oklahoma, and Oregon. Bama plays a smash mouth style and they just need the one guy on the outside that can get down the field. Cooper does that for them but, they aren't gonna be setting any passing records in Tuscaloosa anytime soon.

Saban's genius is in having his team playing at a high level mentally every fugging week. He doesn't allow them to sag like other corches do and get beat when they shouldn't. His team is full of 4 and 5 stars who play at 4 and 5 star levels because he has them mentally prepared every week.

There aren't many HCs who are reinventing football at this point. Every good coach knows all the plays and formations and all that ****. They all know the same stuff.

There are a select few who are renowned as gameday geniuses for their strategic moves, and that's usually all hype. Belichick used to be a guy like that (suddenly not so smart) and so was Joe Gibbs his first time around (notice how he got dumb the 2nd stint with the Skins though). A lot of that coaching gameday genius **** is overblown by fans and media nerds looking to create superheroes out of coaches.

The great HCs do one thing better than the others on gameday, and that's having their troops playing at a very high emotional/mental level. The great HCs, like Saban, are great leaders of men and great button pushers. They're not guys sitting in a lab with beekers and microscopes and white smoks concocting some other worldly plan that no one has ever seen. Good football guys have seen everything at this point. HCs aren't even involved in all that **** anyway. That's what their coordinators are for--putting together gameplans and making calls while the bullets are flying.

Seems like you're trying to dismiss my POV by making arguments I already acknowledged. I didn't say Saban sucks, just that his strength isn't on gameday and that I think Golden is taking a similar approach with the caveat that he has the luxury of playmaking talent from SoFla. Which I still consider superior to any talent base in the country.

Seemed to me like I wasn't doing anything like that at all. Seems like I was actually bolstering your position.

My blind hatred of Saban may have shaded my perception of your post.

 

[mark36111]

Seantrel is gonna go down as one of the most unappreciated Canes ever after he is done here.

I don't see how. If he has a good year, people will recognize and appreciate him finally reaching his potential. If he doesn't, then he'll rightfully be considered a disappointment given his talent level and resulting expectations.

 

[OldhamA]

Seantrel is gonna go down as one of the most unappreciated Canes ever after he is done here.

I don't see how. If he has a good year, people will recognize and appreciate him finally reaching his potential. If he doesn't, then he'll rightfully be considered a disappointment given his talent level and resulting expectations.

Exactly. It's not like Henderson has been pile driving DEs into the turf.

He was solid-good last year, when he was on the field. That's what most fans see him as. He has the potential to be ungodly - but we haven't seen that yet as a Cane.

 

[hoover437]

I don't think Henderson is unappreciated at all. I just think that some people aren't very impressed with him. He has yet to live up to his hype. He's the most highly touted lineman on our team but he's maybe the 3rd best in terms of actual on -field production...atleast that's how he grades out. (usually behind Linder and Feliciano) He hasn't even been able to truly lock down a spot on the O-line since he's been here. He's always "battling it out" with somebody whether it be Bunche, Flowers or Feliciano. He hasn't been able to solidify himself.

Nobody in here can honestly say this guy has lived up to the hype of a 6'8" 340lb five-star recruit. Let's be honest.

I bet Al Golden laughs at this statement. Kid had back surgery shortly before his second season, Al was impressed he made it back as fast as he did, his statements not mine. Also, then last year, his family issues. Kid's had some bad luck, but the funny thing he continues to end the year in the starting rotation.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I don't think Henderson is unappreciated at all. I just think that some people aren't very impressed with him. He has yet to live up to his hype. He's the most highly touted lineman on our team but he's maybe the 3rd best in terms of actual on -field production...atleast that's how he grades out. (usually behind Linder and Feliciano) He hasn't even been able to truly lock down a spot on the O-line since he's been here. He's always "battling it out" with somebody whether it be Bunche, Flowers or Feliciano. He hasn't been able to solidify himself.

Nobody in here can honestly say this guy has lived up to the hype of a 6'8" 340lb five-star recruit. Let's be honest.

I bet Al Golden laughs at this statement. Kid had back surgery shortly before his second season, Al was impressed he made it back as fast as he did, his statements not mine. Also, then last year, his family issues. Kid's had some bad luck, but the funny thing he continues to end the year in the starting rotation.

You think Golden's satisfied with what he's gotten from Golden so far?

 

[Coach Macho]

I don't think Henderson is unappreciated at all. I just think that some people aren't very impressed with him. He has yet to live up to his hype. He's the most highly touted lineman on our team but he's maybe the 3rd best in terms of actual on -field production...atleast that's how he grades out. (usually behind Linder and Feliciano) He hasn't even been able to truly lock down a spot on the O-line since he's been here. He's always "battling it out" with somebody whether it be Bunche, Flowers or Feliciano. He hasn't been able to solidify himself.

Nobody in here can honestly say this guy has lived up to the hype of a 6'8" 340lb five-star recruit. Let's be honest.

I bet Al Golden laughs at this statement. Kid had back surgery shortly before his second season, Al was impressed he made it back as fast as he did, his statements not mine. Also, then last year, his family issues. Kid's had some bad luck, but the funny thing he continues to end the year in the starting rotation.

Those are part of the equation though. (although those things are not his fault)

He ends the year in the starting rotation? Whoopty doo. LOL. That's expected from a 6'8" five star.

 

[Coach Macho]

You guys think Henderson is under-appreciated but how about guys like Linder and Feliciano? Talk about under-appreciated.

Linder is our best lineman and consistently grades out #1 or #2 after every game.
Feliciano was a 3-star "nobody" and has also graded out in the top-3 since he's been in the line-up whether it be at OG or OT. (which isn't even his position)

Those are your two best, most consistent lineman on the squad right there, and they bury people on the regular.

People are just too busy hanging on Henderson's jock cause of his stature and who he was coming out of high school.

 

[88]

You guys think Henderson is under-appreciated but how about guys like Linder and Feliciano? Talk about under-appreciated.

Linder is our best lineman and consistently grades out #1 or #2 after every game.
Feliciano was a 3-star "nobody" and has also graded out in the top-3 since he's been in the line-up whether it be at OG or OT. (which isn't even his position)

Those are your two best, most consistent lineman on the squad right there, and they bury people on the regular.

People are just too busy hanging on Henderson's jock cause of his stature and who he was coming out of high school.

Am I the only one who thinks Feliciano is better than Linder?

 

[UMcanesfan420]

I don't think Linder and Feliciano are underappreciated at all. Maybe in the sense that they're OL and OL are always somewhat underappreciated. But that's everywhere and it's the nature of the position. Especially interior OL.


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