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DAILY DEBATE: Does Miami deserve to be ranked over Alabama, Ole Miss and South Carolina?

JackOAT said:
my guy. the only other teams they put 40 on are Holy Cross & UNLV.

They lost at home to Stanford. They got boat raced by Pitt. They struggled with UCONN & NCState.

You can only use a strawman because ure defending the indefensible. No one has said they're awful. Everyone is saying they are very very very very beatable. Even stanford found a way. Almost every other team on their schedule put up a better defensive showing than we did. None of them recruit anywhere NEAR the level that we do.
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100% we should have won that game. I was just putting it in perspective regarding the other 3 teams. Should Bama have lost to Vandy and OK? Or Ole Miss and UK?
 
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Objectively, yeah: our resume consists of fewer losses and a better record, two last possession losses: 1 to a team that took UGA to 8 overtimes in their house, and the other to a 9 win Cuse team also at their house-- both games went down to the wire.

As to the quality of the teams vying for remaining cfp spots (consideration that shouldn't be ignored-- see fsu post qb injury last year), if we subtract the understandable disappointment of being that close to getting further than we have in such a long time (nt just from fans but also some media that may have 'the U is back fatigue') , we can see, ironically, that the same reason we're disappointed for not separating ourselves more by defeating teams that we assume we should in order to be considered elite, is also the reason we shouldn't assume that we're far from teams ranked higher than us, or that we consider elite : to put it more bluntly: parody isn't just between us Canes and the teams we assume we should beat, but also between the teams that we assume to be elite and us, in the sense that like us, they too struggled against teams that they were expected to beat, and if that makes us comparable, then the scale would tilt according to record...

A quick view at potentially higher ranked or playoff competing teams' losses compared to ours ...: Ole Miss lost to an 8 loss Kentucky who also lost to Florida, and South Carolina lost to Ole Miss... Northern Illinois beat ND, Georgia tech took Georgia to 8 overtimes in their house, Bama struggled with USF then lost three games -1 of which by 3 touchdowns to a .500 ou team, Ohio state lost to Oregon (who struggled with middle of the pack teams themselves) and then lost to Michigan, who's more 1 dimensional this year than Georgia tech, etc.

Perhaps we're comparing our team to our late season expectations; and our collective disappointment over how close we were to securing a spot has us misinterpreting that as being farther away than we actually are... And when you couple the removal of that with a better record, and national draw, I can completely see the committee putting us in...
 
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StevoBevo said:
They won 75% of their games and UNLV is a top 25 Opponent and that was on the road. Honestly the Pitt game was a fluke imo because how often is ANY TEAM anywhere getting 3 pick 6’s? It’s just one of those games

We talk about SEC bias yet if we lost to LSU we wouldn’t be singing this tune because theyre SEC lol our defense gave up 35 and our offense scored 38 and left points on the field.

We should’ve never given up 35 points on defense to Syracuse because we are suppose to be better but playing @ Syracuse on senior day with all the pressure on us is a very tough position

Alabama gave up 40 to Vandy & only scored 3 against OU and THAT should never happen at Alabama. 1# recruiting classes for numerous years. OSU should never only score 10 pts to Michigan but they did. Ole Miss should’ve never lost to a 4 win Kentucky team but they did. ND should never lose AT HOME TO NIU but they did. All teams behind us have losses to WORSE teams at HOME.

It happens.
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"We should’ve never given up 35 points on defense to Syracuse because we are suppose to be better"

You couldve stopped here. That was literally my point. Thanks


Senior Day???? c'mon man.
 
JHallCanes said:
I agree USCe is a better team but they blew the game against Bama so it’s pretty tough to do much about that. Ironically if USCe wins that game they’re in for sure and we aren’t even talking about us
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I just don’t want Bama in. Not even lobbying for us. Bama doesn’t deserve to be in at all
 
canesblevineesq. said:
Objectively, yeah: our resume consists of fewer losses and a better record, two last possession losses: 1 to a team that took UGA to 8 overtimes in their house, and the other to a 9 win Cuse team also at their house-- both games went down to the wire.

As to the quality of the teams vying for remaining cfp spots (consideration that shouldn't be ignored-- see fsu post qb injury last year), if we subtract the understandable disappointment of being that close to getting further than we have in such a long time (nt just from fans but also some media that may have 'the U is back fatigue') , we can see, ironically, that the same reason we're disappointed for not separating ourselves more by defeating teams that we assume we should in order to be considered elite, is also the reason we shouldn't assume that we're far from teams ranked higher than us, or that we consider elite : to put it more bluntly: parody isn't just between us Canes and the teams we assume we should beat, but also between the teams that we assume are better and us, in the sense that they too struggled against teams that they were expected to beat, and if that makes us comparable, then the scale would tilt according to record...

A quick view at higher ranked teams' losses compared to ours ...: Northern Illinois beat ND, Georgia tech took Georgia to 8 overtimes in their house, Bama struggled with USF then lost three games -1 of which by 3 touchdowns to a .500 ou team, Ohio state lost to Oregon (who struggled with middle of the pack teams themselves) and then lost to Michigan, who's more 1 dimensional this year than Georgia tech, etc.

Perhaps we're comparing our team to our late season expectations; and our collective disappointment over how close we were to securing a spot has us misinterpreting that as being farther away than we actually are... And when you couple the removal of that with a better record, and national draw, I can completely see the committee putting us in...
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We will know tonight during the reveal show
 
I don't think the committee lets in a 3 loss team unless they win their conference.

I'd have SMU, Clemson, Miami ranked in that order, but Clemson and Miami back to back.
I'd have Alabama, South Carolina (also back to back, and could flip flop even if they don't play), and Ole Miss also ranked together right below them.
 
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We don't deserve anything. But we should be ahead of them. It's a strange topsy-turvy world already so I don't know what they'll do.
 
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JHallCanes said:
I can get on board with that

Just saying as Miami fans we should not be ok with a team we beat getting in over us
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This is why I said fire Guidry it might look like a positive for the playoff
 

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So no...I get that we're 10-2 but the optics are we lost to GT and Syracuse. Now yes GT took Georgia to 8 OT... but you throw that out because weird things happen in rivalry games, SC beat Clemson who lost to Georgia so Clemson will be out unless they win, Bama has some really ugly losses, I think SC looks better than us on paper at the moment and the other issue is OSU drops down too
 
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Nickkcin said:
So no...I get that we're 10-2 but the optics are we lost to GT and Syracuse. Now yes GT took Georgia to 8 OT... but you throw that out because weird things happen in rivalry games, SC beat Clemson who lost to Georgia so Clemson will be out unless they win, Bama has some really ugly losses, I think SC looks better than us on paper at the moment and the other issue is OSU drops down too
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Yeah some weird **** really happened in our rivalry games.

UGA is just a shell of what people think when they hear the name and GT with King is a lot better than people want to admit.
 
TwentySix said:
Yeah some weird **** really happened in our rivalry games.

UGA is just a shell of what people think when they hear the name and GT with King is a lot better than people want to admit.
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I'm not saying they aren't better than national perception. But in terms of how they are perceived is not good. Even our game against FSU we had some ugly passing numbers. I just don't like how we sit and losing the game against Syracuse we had no business losing should have us out unfortunately. They were willing to look the other way after a GT game that was pathetic, but two games like that and they probably look at us like no.
 
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