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DAILY DEBATE: Does Miami deserve to be ranked over Alabama, Ole Miss and South Carolina?

I don't think Miami deserves to be in the playoff. They had an opportunity to go out and earn something themselves, which no Miami team has done the last 20+ years. I cannot think of a game since the early 2000's, where everything was on the line and Miami delivered. It sucks. I feel for all of us that we've had to deal with this s*** for decades. I watched this team the entire year and said to myself, "Go out and take it today. Make the country really pay attention". And they never would. They would coast through most of the games and turn it on when they felt threatened. Sometimes it wasn't enough. No killer instinct. No discipline. Assuming your talent is enough, like it's been for years.

That being said, what I think Miami deserves is not the same as letting an even less deserving team get in. If the #12 spot is filled with bad teams then I'm not stubborn enough to say let them have it. So here's how I see it:

Bama
I don't even know why Bama is in the discussion. One more loss than Miami. Two losses to 6-6 teams, one of which was a blowout. How is that not instantly disqualifying? You can't get boat raced by a 6-6 team and make it in over a team that won more games than you.

Ole Miss
This one is pretty straight forward to me. They have one more loss than Miami. They lost at home to a 4 win team. They lost to a common opponent that we blew out. And they get in because they beat Georgia? That seems to be a theme. Anyway, it's really tough when you have one more loss and a common opponent you lost to.

USCe
If you erase the Bama game because it was a close loss to a good team, I think their big wins (@ Clemson, vs Missouri, vs Texas A&M) are equivalent to ours (@ Louisville, @ Florida, vs Duke) and I think their losses are slightly worse. Losing at home to LSU (8-4 with no signature wins) is equivalent to losing on the road to Georgia Tech (7-5 with no signature wins). Getting blown out at home to Ole Miss (9-3) is not equivalent to losing by 4 points on the road to Syracuse (9-3).

I know I'm biased but it's tough to make a case for these teams to be clearly better than Miami. I think Bama and Ole Miss shouldn't be in the discussion. I think you could make a case for USCe by saying they took care of business in the end and Miami didn't. We'll see how it goes but one things for sure, Mario better get to work in the offseason keeping the momentum on offense and fixing these defense.
 
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hurricaneman said:
I don't think Miami deserves to be in the playoff. They had an opportunity to go out and earn something themselves, which no Miami team has done the last 20+ years. I cannot think of a game since the early 2000's, where everything was on the line and Miami delivered. It sucks. I feel for all of us that we've had to deal with this s*** for decades. I watched this team the entire year and said to myself, "Go out and take it today. Make the country really pay attention". And they never would. They would coast through most of the games and turn it on when they felt threatened. Sometimes it wasn't enough. No killer instinct. No discipline. Assuming your talent is enough, like it's been for years.

That being said, what I think Miami deserves is not the same as letting an even less deserving team get in. If the #12 spot is filled with bad teams then I'm not stubborn enough to say let them have it. So here's how I see it:

Bama
I don't even know why Bama is in the discussion. One more loss than Miami. Two losses to 6-6 teams, one of which was a blowout. How is that not instantly disqualifying? You can't get boat raced by a 6-6 team and make it in over a team that won more games than you.

Ole Miss
This one is pretty straight forward to me. They have one more loss than Miami. They lost at home to a 4 win team. They lost to a common opponent that we blew out. And they get in because they beat Georgia? That seems to be a theme. Anyway, it's really tough when you have one more loss and a common opponent you lost to.

USCe
If you erase the Bama game because it was a close loss to a good team, I think their big wins (@ Clemson, vs Missouri, vs Texas A&M) are equivalent to ours (@ Louisville, @ Florida, vs Duke) and I think their losses are slightly worse. Losing at home to LSU (8-4 with no signature wins) is equivalent to losing on the road to Georgia Tech (7-5 with no signature wins). Getting blown out at home to Ole Miss (9-3) is not equivalent to losing by 4 points on the road to Syracuse (9-3).

I know I'm biased but it's tough to make a case for these teams to be clearly better than Miami. I think Bama and Ole Miss shouldn't be in the discussion. I think you could make a case for USCe by saying they took care of business in the end and Miami didn't. We'll see how it goes but one things for sure, Mario better get to work in the offseason keeping the momentum on offense and fixing these defense.
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Having an all SEC/Big10 playoff is not good in my opinion. Might as well make it the ACC/Big 10 Challenge if that’s the case and then an outside playoff for the other conference and the winner of those 2 plays for the Championship.

The ACC deserves a minimum of 2 teams this year. Hopefully it’s SMU and Miami.

Let’s root hard for SMU on Saturday. If Clemson wins, it’s over.
 
orange&green84 said:
If Miami's offense is on, they can beat any of the teams mentioned.
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Any of those teams are waaayyyyyy better than any team we have played. Let’s not act like our offense is good enough to be our everything against anyone, especially when we take a quarter or two off. Everyone has enough info on how to beat us to beat us now.
 
This would be no good for miami right? Bc either AZ st or Iowa St will get the auto bid? Our only shot is to be ranked 11th tonight or 12th with someone other than USC Bama and OleMiss in front?
 

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hurricaneman said:
I don't think Miami deserves to be in the playoff. They had an opportunity to go out and earn something themselves, which no Miami team has done the last 20+ years. I cannot think of a game since the early 2000's, where everything was on the line and Miami delivered. It sucks. I feel for all of us that we've had to deal with this s*** for decades. I watched this team the entire year and said to myself, "Go out and take it today. Make the country really pay attention". And they never would. They would coast through most of the games and turn it on when they felt threatened. Sometimes it wasn't enough. No killer instinct. No discipline. Assuming your talent is enough, like it's been for years.

That being said, what I think Miami deserves is not the same as letting an even less deserving team get in. If the #12 spot is filled with bad teams then I'm not stubborn enough to say let them have it. So here's how I see it:

Bama
I don't even know why Bama is in the discussion. One more loss than Miami. Two losses to 6-6 teams, one of which was a blowout. How is that not instantly disqualifying? You can't get boat raced by a 6-6 team and make it in over a team that won more games than you.

Ole Miss
This one is pretty straight forward to me. They have one more loss than Miami. They lost at home to a 4 win team. They lost to a common opponent that we blew out. And they get in because they beat Georgia? That seems to be a theme. Anyway, it's really tough when you have one more loss and a common opponent you lost to.

USCe
If you erase the Bama game because it was a close loss to a good team, I think their big wins (@ Clemson, vs Missouri, vs Texas A&M) are equivalent to ours (@ Louisville, @ Florida, vs Duke) and I think their losses are slightly worse. Losing at home to LSU (8-4 with no signature wins) is equivalent to losing on the road to Georgia Tech (7-5 with no signature wins). Getting blown out at home to Ole Miss (9-3) is not equivalent to losing by 4 points on the road to Syracuse (9-3).

I know I'm biased but it's tough to make a case for these teams to be clearly better than Miami. I think Bama and Ole Miss shouldn't be in the discussion. I think you could make a case for USCe by saying they took care of business in the end and Miami didn't. We'll see how it goes but one things for sure, Mario better get to work in the offseason keeping the momentum on offense and fixing these defense.
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It should be Miami vs South Carolina for the last spot. The fact Bama is considered the fav is ******* retarded. Milroe has sucked the last month. They say it’s eye test resume and how u playing and QB play see FSU last season Bama needs to be left out. If anything Bama should be held to a higher standard going 9-3 with 2 awful losses should be held against them with a massive talent advantage
 
JennStrawley’sBabyDaddy said:
Ole Miss is easy because we have a common opponent that we crushed and they lost to. Bama needs to be eliminated too since they have way worse losses while also having 3. SC is the more tricky one, but how do you put SC above Ole Miss and Bama when they both beat SC? Miami is a 2 loss P4 team with 2 losses that were close and don’t look as bad today. The committee should have us at 11, but we’ll see what happens.
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I agree with you. The best claim to get in comes from South Carolina.

Bama and Ole Miss should be eliminated.

It comes down to SCe and us imo.

No clue who deserves it more, bc imo SCe claim is pretty solid. But so is ours.

The doom and gloom crowd really overshadowed a 10 win season where we lost road games to GT and Cuse.

GT, would be ranked if Haynes didn't miss multiple games and likely would have won 9 games. They took UGA to 8 OTs at Georgia's place while they had refs help.

Cuse is a 9 win team that lead the nation in passing attack. Again, a road game for us and a bad matchup that hopefully the committee considers. ND isn't slinging it on us like that.

The thing that kills us, is were missing that big win. We say UF, but they aren't ranked. Louisville and VT ****ed us by not holding their end of the bargain and winning.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
I agree with you. The best claim to get in comes from South Carolina.

Bama and Ole Miss should be eliminated.

It comes down to SCe and us imo.

No clue who deserves it more, bc imo SCe claim is pretty solid. But so is ours.

The doom and gloom crowd really overshadowed a 10 win season where we lost road games to GT and Cuse.

GT, would be ranked if Haynes didn't miss multiple games and likely would have won 9 games. They took UGA to 8 OTs at Georgia's place while they had refs help.

Cuse is a 9 win team that lead the nation in passing attack. Again, a road game for us and a bad matchup that hopefully the committee considers. ND isn't slinging it on us like that.

The thing that kills us, is were missing that big win. We say UF, but they aren't ranked. Louisville and VT ****ed us by not holding their end of the bargain and winning.
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The thing with USCeast is they lost to both Bama and Ole Miss

Would they put them ahead of both those teams even though they lost to
Both of them?
 
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DMoney said:
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Yes.

We lost to two bowl teams (7-5 and 9-3), on the road, by 5 and 4 points.

We did not have three losses, two that came against 6-6 teams, by 5 and 21 points.

We did not have three losses, one of them at home to a 4-8 team.

We did not have three losses, two of them at home by 3 and 24 points.
 
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LoungeLord said:
Any of those teams are waaayyyyyy better than any team we have played. Let’s not act like our offense is good enough to be our everything against anyone, especially when we take a quarter or two off. Everyone has enough info on how to beat us to beat us now.
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Well, we have anecdotal evidence on Ole Miss for one. They lost at UF, we went into their house and beat them down. Ole Miss would be a tough game, but winnable for sure.

You're holding Bama to the same bar as they've been at for the past decade plus; Saban isn't there anymore.

South Carolina may be the one school that we can't beat, but I haven't watched them at all this year. So I really have no opinion one way or the other on them.
 
canes732 said:
It should be Miami vs South Carolina for the last spot. The fact Bama is considered the fav is ******* retarded. Milroe has sucked the last month. They say it’s eye test resume and how u playing and QB play see FSU last season Bama needs to be left out. If anything Bama should be held to a higher standard going 9-3 with 2 awful losses should be held against them with a massive talent advantage
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I agree USCe is a better team but they blew the game against Bama so it’s pretty tough to do much about that. Ironically if USCe wins that game they’re in for sure and we aren’t even talking about us
 
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LoungeLord said:
Miami would get boat races by any of those teams, or frankly anyone else with a pulse at this point.
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Removing the emotions of the last 72 hours, us getting into the playoffs would accomplish 2 things:

1 - purely selfish for the fans but it would allow all of us to watch Cam Ward play one more time.

2 - it would allow Mario to sell the fact that we made the playoffs with a 10 win season to any high school/portal recruit he identifies.

Beyond that, I honestly don’t care what the result of the game would be especially if he’s already decided that changes are coming on the defensive side of the ball. Except if we play Notre Dame. I would be all in on that game and the result.
 
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