MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

[Jonnyblaze]

Plus they know they won't get left out of being scheduled for big games against top opponents in either conference. I think the odds of them splitting a schedule between the P2 conferences is even more likely with that statement.

100.

Still makes me laugh how many people think the big boys would get together and “freeze” ND out and not schedule them.

 

[Hold My Beer]

“Its football independence has never been more solid. Combining revenue from NBC and ESPN -- the latter through its scheduling partnership with the ACC -- Notre Dame is believed to making somewhere north of $60 million annually in media rights. That money, plus its unique access to the playoff, are two drivers that will keep the Irish from joining a conference anytime soon.”

As I said; all these pages filled w/ Miami + ND to the B1G is wishful thinking. Swarbrick set ND up nicely. His son is an exec for Under Armour, & their media business partner’s exec is now becoming AD. ND don’t ever need to join a conference b/c as long as they have CFP rights, they r gucci. Their payout may not be along the lines of the B1G, but they won’t be nearly as behind as other schools outside of the Big 2

We shall see Cane brotha

When the ACC unravels, ND will have a decision to make.

Join the B1G or cobble together a 12-game schedule with ... who, exactly?

Just don't see SEC and B1G programs going out of their way to make room on a nine-game (and perhaps 10-game) schedules to accommodate the Irish when 9-3 in one of those two P2 leagues should get you in the playoffs.

Maybe Notre Dame is good with rejoining the Big East and piecing something together with the Big 12 in football? But would playing five or so designated opponents from a second-tier conference along with games against military academies and G5's be acceptable to a program that considers itself as an A-lister?

How would that kind of schedule sell in South Bend year after year? Season-ticket sales for the Leprechauns are not even close to what high-profile programs in the SEC and B1G generate — and that's with roughly two big-name opponents coming to town each season. Who from the new Big 12 gets the casual fan excited?

From a story in the Athletic last fall re: the ND athletic department trying to keep Suckeye fans from taking over Notre Dame stadium.

"Notre Dame’s season ticket base is 45 percent of the stadium (about 55%), including students. At other top programs, that figure is closer to 85 percent ... Notre Dame can’t close that gap entirely. Season ticket holders are an average of 500 miles from campus, about four times the distance from many major programs."

Maybe ND can thread the needle and it all works out. Time will tell.

 

[RoboCane]

Do Clemson and FSU lose their voting rights if they announce they are leaving the ACC?

 

[Squid Bumciorek]

I’ve heard 8 votes but I’ve never seen anyone share a document that says it’s a simple majority vs 2/3 etc.

It’s not in the acc bylaws that I have read. It alludes to dissolution but doesn’t spell out the vote needed even though it spells our every other vote which almost always requires 2/3 or 3/4 yes votes of either all members or “present under a quorum” members.

If you’ve seen it vs actually going off of often referenced never supported document on that I’d love to know and see it.

Not saying it’s wrong. Just not sure it’s right.

Regardless of whatever the voting bloc needs to be, people seem to forget that if the acc schools voted to dissolve the conference, Disney would immediately bring a lawsuit and tie everyone up in court for years. Generally when a corporation dissolves, the contracts don't automatically disappear. That's why businesses who enter ****** deals can't just change names and reform as a new company, and walk away from the old contracts. Espn will claim the former acc teams owe them for lost revenue, not just the buyout. The tv deal is a business transaction with espn largely bearing the risk, acc gets a set amount from espn per year regardless of performance, so even if 5 people per year watch acc games and espn is losing massive amounts of money they still owe the acc hundreds of millions.

Will they win the argument in court? unclear. But one thing is for sure, it would be unpleasant and expensive for everyone involved.

 

[Ispyin]

We shall see Cane brotha

When the ACC unravels, ND will have a decision to make.

Join the B1G or cobble together a 12-game schedule with ... who, exactly?

Just don't see SEC and B1G programs going out of their way to make room on a nine-game (and perhaps 10-game) schedules to accommodate the Irish when 9-3 in one of those two P2 leagues should get you in the playoffs.

Maybe Notre Dame is good with rejoining the Big East and piecing something together with the Big 12 in football? But would playing five or so designated opponents from a second-tier conference along with games against military academies and G5's be acceptable to a program that considers itself as an A-lister?

How would that kind of schedule sell in South Bend year after year? Season-ticket sales for the Leprechauns are not even close to what high-profile programs in the SEC and B1G generate — and that's with roughly two big-name opponents coming to town each season. Who from the new Big 12 gets the casual fan excited?

From a story in the Athletic last fall re: the ND athletic department trying to keep Suckeye fans from taking over Notre Dame stadium.

"Notre Dame’s season ticket base is 45 percent of the stadium (about 55%), including students. At other top programs, that figure is closer to 85 percent ... Notre Dame can’t close that gap entirely. Season ticket holders are an average of 500 miles from campus, about four times the distance from many major programs."

Maybe ND can thread the needle and it all works out. Time will tell.

every school in those two conferences will still have 2-4 out of conference games. ND will be fine schedule wise I GUARANTEE you either way. Losses matter less for those schools in a 14 team playoff. They may choose to go to a conference but it is not going to be for lack of scheduling when you are box office and prestige and tv ratings draw. non issue

 

[Ispyin]

Do Clemson and FSU lose their voting rights if they announce they are leaving the ACC?

yes. FSU is being tretated now by the ACC as if they gave notice to withdraw. Clemson isn't (yet) though I guess could be if a vote is around their lawsuit

 

[Rickd]

Regardless of whatever the voting bloc needs to be, people seem to forget that if the acc schools voted to dissolve the conference, Disney would immediately bring a lawsuit and tie everyone up in court for years. Generally when a corporation dissolves, the contracts don't automatically disappear. That's why businesses who enter ****** deals can't just change names and reform as a new company, and walk away from the old contracts. Espn will claim the former acc teams owe them for lost revenue, not just the buyout. The tv deal is a business transaction with espn largely bearing the risk, acc gets a set amount from espn per year regardless of performance, so even if 5 people per year watch acc games and espn is losing massive amounts of money they still owe the acc hundreds of millions.

Will they win the argument in court? unclear. But one thing is for sure, it would be unpleasant and expensive for everyone involved.

ESPN might actually want the ACCN to be shut down so they can focus investments on the SEC which is their stated priority property. This isn't happening in a vacuum ... there IS media partner input. I believe that ESPN has NO interest in extending the media agreement past its current expiration date of June 30, 2027. The conference will lose key brands in 25 and 26, and whoever is left will be joined by G5 programs added to backfill. Any new media offer for the period 2027 and on ... will be a fraction of the current one and nobody on a national level will even see an ACC game after that, except on limited regional streaming services.

 

[hurricaneman]

ESPN might actually want the ACCN to be shut down so they can focus investments on the SEC which is their stated priority property. This isn't happening in a vacuum ... there IS media partner input. I believe that ESPN has NO interest in extending the media agreement past its current expiration date of June 30, 2027. The conference will lose key brands in 25 and 26, and whoever is left will be joined by G5 programs added to backfill. Any new media offer for the period 2027 and on ... will be a fraction of the current one and nobody on a national level will even see an ACC game after that, except on limited regional streaming services.

ESPN will end the contract with the ACC once FSU and Clemson leave. That will dissolve the league.

 

[5NC4]

ESPN will end the contract with the ACC once FSU and Clemson leave. That will dissolve the league.

Agree and that is also because certain assets are worth more $ playing better games vs better opponents than they are in what the ACC will become. ESPN recognizes certain teams will make them a **** of a lot more $ in the SEC. Perhaps that influences the SEC to take even more teams due to the transfer of assets from the ACC to the SEC. ESPN can save some more $ and yet make more $ by higher ratings with more premier level games. I still don't believe Miami is totally left out of the SEC conversation yet because of potential TV ratings and they may want to keep B1G teams from regularly playing games in one of the most fertile recruiting territories in the U.S.

Miami must win a lot this year. It could draw a **** of a lot of attention from both the b1G and SEC. I am surprised that decisionmakers are not taking note about what HC built up Oregon and what he is currently doing to build up Miami. Mario is similar to Butch, lousy game day coach, but he can build up a program just like Butch did. He may not be able to hoard talent like Butch did because talent is identified much better now these days and every team recruits S FL. It is Mario's job to win and make it hard to come down to S FL to cherry pick talent out of S FL, while making ESPN/SEC and FOX/B1G take note and increasing TV ratings.

 

[Empirical Cane]

ND is a poverty program supported by a poverty network...they are Walking Dead.

They'll have bum ACC and mediocre BIG10 to play sprinkled with a marque matchup they'll lose consistently. The expanded slots have more of a chance going to SEC/BIG10 mid tiers than a 2 loss ND...

I'm a seller of this broke *** program....

 

[Wake_Cane]

I’ve heard 8 votes but I’ve never seen anyone share a document that says it’s a simple majority vs 2/3 etc.

It’s not in the acc bylaws that I have read. It alludes to dissolution but doesn’t spell out the vote needed even though it spells our every other vote which almost always requires 2/3 or 3/4 yes votes of either all members or “present under a quorum” members.

If you’ve seen it vs actually going off of often referenced never supported document on that I’d love to know and see it.

Not saying it’s wrong. Just not sure it’s right.

ACC bylaws/constitution make no mention of dissolution of the conference in any way anywhere aside from one obscure clause that establishes a generic protocol for what to do with the conference's assets in the event it dissolves. Definitely does not establish any kind of heightened vote threshold needed for dissolution. In other words, simple majority of voting members is all it takes.

 

[Ispyin]

ACC bylaws/constitution make no mention of dissolution of the conference in any way anywhere aside from one obscure clause that establishes a generic protocol for what to do with the conference's assets in the event it dissolves. Definitely does not establish any kind of heightened vote threshold needed for dissolution. In other words, simple majority of voting members is all it takes.

Would acc as the entity dissolved or the other members not in favor have any standing (in theory)to delay execution of the dissolution in court based on past case law in North Carolina?

 

[Tony4Canes]

Another step towards schools with most money continue to raid smaller ones

 

[caneworld]

Another step towards schools with most money continue to raid smaller ones

In comes the NIL of coaching specialists... each player will come with their own specialist coach/handler/ support staff.... end of CFB if this goes through.
It will be a team full of individuals looking out for themselves, ...not that it isn't part way there already considering our final four basketball team's performance this season

 

[Tony4Canes]

In comes the NIL of coaching specialists... each player will come with their specialist coach/handler.... end of CFB if this goes through. It will be a team full of individuals looking out for themselves

Didn't NCAA implement some type of restrictions on hiring certain coaches?? I would hope they put something into place for private coaches for the guys.

 

[Wake_Cane]

Would acc as the entity dissolved or the other members not in favor have any standing (in theory)to delay execution of the dissolution in court based on past case law in North Carolina?

Im not familiar with NC state case law. (Wake Forest pretty much does not teach state law at all)

 

[Ghandi]

Another step towards schools with most money continue to raid smaller ones

More coaches on the field does not = more wins.

I don’t get where people get this notion from…

 

[Tony4Canes]

More coaches on the field does not = more wins.

I don’t get where people get this notion from…

Did I say that??

I know SEC & B1G will poach other schools Coaches even as Analysts if this happens.

 

[TooColdToHold]

Another step towards schools with most money continue to raid smaller ones

I wonder how much this helps. The Gators have the biggest coaching staff in the country, and it hasn’t resulted in wins.

 

[Ispyin]

Im not familiar with NC state case law. (Wake Forest pretty much does not teach state law at all)

What about generally in non profit entities/corporations in terms of majority members voting to dissolve? (If you know off hand)