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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

Yoyo82 said:
We had an easy way out before allowing Cal, Stanford, and SMU in.

I feel like we easily could have dissolved the conference with half the teams having a landing spot in the other 3 conferences.

SEC: Clemson/UVA
B1G: Miami/UNC/FSU
B12: VT, Pitt, Lou, NCSt (they'd probably take SMU at this point as well)

The key is getting invites or knowing you have a path into the SEC or B1G.
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That was the whole point for the "save the ACC" ***aloons.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
That was the whole point for the "save the ACC" ***aloons.
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Honestly I still think that path forward will work. We have 17 teams now so it'll take 9 teams (assuming it only takes half the teams to dissolve the conference. )

4-6 to the B1G/SEC and 3-5 to the B12.

The P2 brands are:
Miami
FSU
Clemson
UNC

Maybes:
UVA
GT with the way they're currently trending (they averaged 3mil viewers per national broadcast this year. Mostly because of their opponents)
Stanford because of all the other sports and their brand value

There's only so many valuable brands out there.

SEC and B1G will both try to get to 20 or 24 teams eventually.

B12 will try and keep up and pretty much will take any program that will elevate their brand conference. SMU, VT, NCSt, Lou

It's just the timing needs to work and if the B1G and SEC are taking 2 or 3 programs each from the ACC at the same time it'll look like (and probably is) collusion.
 
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If nothing else this "snub" should eliminate all doubt from anyone associated with the University that sticking around the ACC is a plausible scenario if we hope to be serious contenders anytime soon. With our new president, gotta think he understands this. Combine that with the recruiting aspect and every single 5 star signing in the B1G or SEC and it should be clear as day that unless we're willing to become a glorified D2 school, we need to get out NOW.
 
RealRussellPumps said:
If nothing else this "snub" should eliminate all doubt from anyone associated with the University that sticking around the ACC is a plausible scenario if we hope to be serious contenders anytime soon. With our new president, gotta think he understands this. Combine that with the recruiting aspect and every single 5 star signing in the B1G or SEC and it should be clear as day that unless we're willing to become a glorified D2 school, we need to get out NOW.
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And it is only going to get worse with each passing year.
We need to get out like the program's life depends on it, b/c it does.

If we don't get into one of the big 2 in the not so distant future, this program will be done.

Might be for the best, at least I wouldn't have to follow this sht show any longer.
 
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OptimusCreampie said:
My monthly check in, let me guess no changes and click bait.
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Adam Sandler Yes GIF
 
CaneInMD said:
Need? No. Will they? Probably. Greed is a powerful emotion.....

Why settle for 4 when you can have 7 or 8? Or more.
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Maybe the SEC seeing at one point they risked only getting 2 teams in (for example if we didn't lose to Syracuse and UGA did lose to GT then lost their CGG), they'll be more eager to expand. Also seeing the B1G take 3 of the top 4 spots for most of the season has to bother them about little bit.

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Plus it's an arms race. Both conferences will want to have more assets/leverage/value when the next network contract negotiations begin.
 
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It's been awhile since I've commented on this thread, but I'll say this: Joe Echevarria is not the type of guy that's going to be satisfied with us staying in the ACC.

He's a shark, just like many of the major players in CFB realignment. Frenk, while a good guy personally, couldn't measure up to this challenge.
 
FL Cane said:
It's been awhile since I've commented on this thread, but I'll say this: Joe Echevarria is not the type of guy that's going to be satisfied with us staying in the ACC.

He's a shark, just like many of the major players in CFB realignment. Frenk, while a good guy personally, couldn't measure up to this challenge.
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We will see how the shark reacts to our subpar athletics. Was he not swimming in the water when JD was hired? Was he not part of Mario and only Mario process?
 
RealRussellPumps said:
If nothing else this "snub" should eliminate all doubt from anyone associated with the University that sticking around the ACC is a plausible scenario if we hope to be serious contenders anytime soon. With our new president, gotta think he understands this. Combine that with the recruiting aspect and every single 5 star signing in the B1G or SEC and it should be clear as day that unless we're willing to become a glorified D2 school, we need to get out NOW.
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I think that was always the plan before heading into this season.

Looking at the bigger picture, based on speculation, even the bottom-tier SEC teams make significantly more than ACC teams. If we want to compete in the arms race for players and NIL opportunities, the SEC’s TV contract alone creates a financial gap that will only compound over time. Even with strong NIL efforts by us, it’s going to be difficult to offset that compounding advantage of those SEC deals.

It’s hard to say exactly what we’re doing or not doing, but I can confidently say that following FSU’s approach is not the way to go. You can’t openly antagonize a struggling conference that you’re a bottom feeder to.
 
Angry Ibis said:
We will see how the shark reacts to our subpar athletics. Was he not swimming in the water when JD was hired? Was he not part of Mario and only Mario process?
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He was a player in the Mario hire, but he was never the guy driving decisions or strategy. Now he is, so I'll give him a chance. Considering his career track, he has shown he can succeed in high pressure environments. Also, a big difference between him and Frenk, is that the BOT genuinely respects him. Frenk was already a lame duck a few years into his tenure, and multiple BOT members had soured on him.
 
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FL Cane said:
He was a player in the Mario hire, but he was never the guy driving decisions or strategy. Now he is, so I'll give him a chance. Considering his career track, he has shown he can succeed in high pressure environments. Also, a big difference between him and Frenk, is that the BOT genuinely respects him. Frenk was already a lame duck a few years into his tenure, and multiple BOT members had soured on him.
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Yes. His show to run. Let's give HIM a chance to get after it.
 
Ispyin said:
There is not a party on earth that I would ever invite you to 🤣🤷‍♂️
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You lie. We would have fun. 🥃 -- glasses more than half full.

I am not even saying Joe is bad, or that FL Cane is not correct, but we both have heard every "trust the evals" type sales pitch with this place that their room for benefit of the doubt is long gone... I mean Mario + the commitment was one thing -- but JD Manny DIaz... nah -- no serious program is making that mistake again after doing it in football -- and this is actually insulting to Manny to compare the two as coaches.
 
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FL Cane said:
It's been awhile since I've commented on this thread, but I'll say this: Joe Echevarria is not the type of guy that's going to be satisfied with us staying in the ACC.

He's a shark, just like many of the major players in CFB realignment. Frenk, while a good guy personally, couldn't measure up to this challenge.
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I agree re Joe E. and I've been on record saying I think Rudy F. "gets it." I don't think the problem is leadership though. The problem is 1) getting out of the ACC with all the contractual issues, and 2) actually being wanted by the SEC/Big10 and them extending an offer...

Not even strong leadership from Joe, Rudy and Rad can speak this into existence...
 
OptimusCreampie said:
I think that was always the plan before heading into this season.

Looking at the bigger picture, based on speculation, even the bottom-tier SEC teams make significantly more than ACC teams. If we want to compete in the arms race for players and NIL opportunities, the SEC’s TV contract alone creates a financial gap that will only compound over time. Even with strong NIL efforts by us, it’s going to be difficult to offset that compounding advantage of those SEC deals.

It’s hard to say exactly what we’re doing or not doing, but I can confidently say that following FSU’s approach is not the way to go. You can’t openly antagonize a struggling conference that you’re a bottom feeder to.
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disagree. I think after this year, all ACC teams should realize that the ACC is useless. Smu going to feel the pain too if it loses to Clemson and gets bumped from the playoffs. Would mean 3 ACC teams- Miami, SMU, FSU all screwed out of playoffs in 2 years. The only one with the power to fix this is ESPN, and they are putting the sec over . We cruiserweight mid carders now- the Disco Infernos to the sec’s Hollywood Hogans.
 
wdk3618 said:
I agree re Joe E. and I've been on record saying I think Rudy F. "gets it." I don't think the problem is leadership though. The problem is 1) getting out of the ACC with all the contractual issues, and 2) actually being wanted by the SEC/Big10 and them extending an offer...

Not even strong leadership from Joe, Rudy and Rad can speak this into existence...
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There is interest from the B1G. The problem is that the original timeline they and other schools (including us) envisioned was completely obliterated by the implosion of the PAC 12. Had that not happened, things would be different.

I will also say this, and I've reiterated it many times on this thread. There are a handful of people who have real-time knowledge of how the school is positioning itself on conference realignment. Joe, Rudy, Dan Rad, select members of the BOT, etc. Mario evidently knows what's going on, but he's not driving things in this topic. Point is, the school has done a very very good job of eliminating leaks. Even when we get information about what the school thinks/is planning to do on realignment, it's often old information by that point. FSUs implosion this season also seems to have weakened their hand and brand, so TBD on realignment news.
 
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