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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

filmcane said:
I must love abuse because I'm about to say the quiet part out loud...

I am OK with the Canes staying in the ACC as long as they get comparable money to the Big 2 and the Nolies and Tigahs stay put. Love to say, "Also, if ND joins..." but I know that's just fool's gold.

I am anticipating some sustainable success for the next few years, so again, as long as we make good money, still have a few solid teams in the ACC and always have a path to the playoffs, I'm OK with us remaining in the ACC.

...(Covers head, runs and hides)...
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That's the thing though, I'm not sure there's a path to "comparable money to the big 2"... ACC has no assets to add that will increase value that significantly...
 
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Empirical Cane said:
They really need to shut down HRS upper deck seating for select Miami Games.

Just makes no sense.

Put huge UHealth covers and call it advertising to effectively, and legally, transfer funds to program.
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Original stadium renovation renderings had this pic and I always though it looked pretty cool. Sad they couldnt even get the logo color scheme correct smh
 
FL Cane said:
Been awhile since I’ve posted on this thread but I’ll say this, I think people are underestimating how much of a tactical blunder FSU and Clemson made with the route they chose.

We need to jump to the Big 10, but we gotta deal with the ACC in the interim. Miami knew it didn’t have the leverage it needed to force an outcome it wanted. Make a deep run this year and our hand gets much stronger. Also, our preferred outcome doesn’t necessarily kill the ACC. FSU and Clemson took a kill shot and, for now, missed.
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If not for the lawsuit they filed 2030 would be 2036 for the GOR to end and also top teams get more money. If that's correct, how is that a blunder?
filmcane said:
I must love abuse because I'm about to say the quiet part out loud...

I am OK with the Canes staying in the ACC as long as they get comparable money to the Big 2 and the Nolies and Tigahs stay put. Love to say, "Also, if ND joins..." but I know that's just fool's gold.

I am anticipating some sustainable success for the next few years, so again, as long as we make good money, still have a few solid teams in the ACC and always have a path to the playoffs, I'm OK with us remaining in the ACC.

...(Covers head, runs and hides)...
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Jane you ignorant ****.
 
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Hold My Beer said:
Always sounds like an excuse tbh

Either it's important enough to attend or it's not
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It’s not an excuse it’s just FACTS.

The administration/Hard Rock Marketing has to do a better job of understanding this problem though and making UM games the thing TO DO.

Part of that is putting a winning product on the field. It looks like Mario and the boosters have finally resolved that.

Now there has to be a whole new marketing strategy for all parties involved. From promotions on ticketing, making tailgating and events pre-game so much better for all. To making the atmosphere inside the stadium better. They need to be giving away tickets to the needy, lower income families, little league football teams, high school teams,local area coaches, BUT especially military or first responders. If the game isn’t SOLD OUT. These people should be allowed to get in free.

The little league football teams and high school teams just creates an even better sense of community for these young kids to root for and have a connection to the U.
 
Orig.CaneSawMassacre said:
It’s not an excuse it’s just FACTS.

The administration/Hard Rock Marketing has to do a better job of understanding this problem though and making UM games the thing TO DO.

Part of that is putting a winning product on the field. It looks like Mario and the boosters have finally resolved that.

Now there has to be a whole new marketing strategy for all parties involved. From promotions on ticketing, making tailgating and events pre-game so much better for all. To making the atmosphere inside the stadium better. They need to be giving away tickets to the needy, lower income families, little league football teams, high school teams,local area coaches, BUT especially military or first responders. If the game isn’t SOLD OUT. These people should be allowed to get in free.

The little league football teams and high school teams just creates an even better sense of community for these young kids to root for and have a connection to the U.
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No, if you know Miami history is does not matter, and giving the tickets away to some of the groups you mention is disrespectful to the people that buy tickets.
Win.Period.
 
QuattroCane said:
No, if you know Miami history is does not matter, and giving the tickets away to some of the groups you mention is disrespectful to the people that buy tickets.
Win.Period.
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Giving them away or having discounted promotions for underprivileged kids or VETS via programs is disrespectful to YOU??

Well anything to make YOU feel special bruh…
 
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Hurracanes said:
There isn’t a path. And yes, he does like abuse.


I hope the ACC rots and dies.
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There is however a path to realistic comparable revenue until 2030 though (where we could then get full B10/SEC shares).

A) if we have to pay anything towards a GOR buyout and/or Conference Exit fee, at minimum we are talking $100M (that’s even if the GOR is $0), until 2030, that’s like $20M/yr worth of value (2025-2029 seasons).

B) it is unlikely we are to receive Full B1G (or SEC) payouts until 2030. Maybe we would get more than Oregon which is 50% and increasing yearly, but I doubt it’d be more than 75% on average.

Therefore if you combine the two, even if the B1G payout is $75M/yr (it likely wouldn’t be), after the $20M/yr exit cost until 2030, you’re talking $55M/yr… right now the ACC is at what like $45-50M? So if the revenue is distributed more by media generation AND success on the field/court, well I can see how we could maybe get $55-60M/yr… AND right now we have a relatively easier path to the CFP as things stand.

However I would still probably choose to just get into the B1G asap if the money is within $5M/yr tbh. I’d say it much greater value on the certainty that we are “IN” and there is no other BS we’d have to deal with.
 
Hold My Beer said:
Always sounds like an excuse tbh

Either it's important enough to attend or it's not
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A lot of THAT depends on your definition of a "fan" and then "fan support". There are thousands of UM football fans living in South Florida with easy access to games that have not attended ONE game in their lives ... they simply prefer the ease (and low cost) of watching games on TV. I worked at company whose HQ OFFICE was in Doral ... we had a sales guy who had UM license plates on his car, wore Canes gear almost daily, was in his 50's and had been a UM fan his entire life, and had not attended ONE single game. "I'm not paying $10 for parking and $10 for a burger when I can watch from my living room sofa" was his response. He didn't even have a clue as to what actual parking cost!!
 
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Rickd said:
A lot of THAT depends on your definition of a "fan" and then "fan support". There are thousands of UM football fans living in South Florida with easy access to games that have not attended ONE game in their lives ... they simply prefer the ease (and low cost) of watching games on TV. I worked at company whose HQ OFFICE was in Doral ... we had a sales guy who had UM license plates on his car, wore Canes gear almost daily, was in his 50's and had been a UM fan his entire life, and had not attended ONE single game. "I'm not paying $10 for parking and $10 for a burger when I can watch from my living room sofa" was his response. He didn't even have a clue as to what actual parking cost!!
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He probably heard they moved the Green Lot and never looked again....
 
Rickd said:
... we had a sales guy who had UM license plates on his car, wore Canes gear almost daily, was in his 50's and had been a UM fan his entire life, and had not attended ONE single game. "I'm not paying $10 for parking and $10 for a burger when I can watch from my living room sofa" was his response.
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Don't know this guybut already don't like him
 
QuattroCane said:
No, if you know Miami history is does not matter, and giving the tickets away to some of the groups you mention is disrespectful to the people that buy tickets.
Win.Period.
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Unfortunately, you are correct regarding Miami's history. Attendance has ALWAYS been spotty when the opponent has not been FSU, Florida, or ND. Strangely, I don't remember hearing calls to tarp off parts of the OB though back in the day, maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, how did we get onto this topic? Is it affecting conference realignment? lol
 
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CaneinBroward said:
Unfortunately, you are correct regarding Miami's history. Attendance has ALWAYS been spotty when the opponent has not been FSU, Florida, or ND. Strangely, I don't remember hearing calls to tarp off parts of the OB though back in the day, maybe I'm wrong.
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It’s because HRS makes it looks worse than it is. The nicer seats/bright colors (especially since aqua isn’t one of our colors), and the fact the everything is all spread out, makes attendance look worse than it is. In the OB, everything was more compact and much of the stadium is metal benches. Other parts were orange seats, which blends in.

But it’s not as bad as rivals / the media make it out to be, although of course we’d love it to be even better. We are in the top 30% of FBS attendance, even in our worst years, despite being in the bottom fifteen in UG population (which is how fandom is typically measured). For comparison, our annually attendance is similar to VT and Oregon, and averages ~15K less a year than FSU (fun fact: their renovation will be decreasing their stadium capacity to be on par with HRS). Also, UCF has never come close to our attendance numbers.

So yes, the issue is not attendance, it’s a PR / visibility problem. People are going, and we know we need the space for the biggest games, so how do we make it looked “filled” for the smaller games? Tarps are one solution, but the school definitely needs to work on this. And it will matter for conference realignment because this stuff matters to conferences. See the SI article below.

Sources: stats.ncaa.org; https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/power-5-desirability-rankings-sec-big-ten-acc
 
caneingville said:
It’s because HRS makes it looks worse than it is. The nicer seats/bright colors (especially since aqua isn’t one of our colors), and the fact the everything is all spread out, makes attendance look worse than it is. In the OB, everything was more compact and much of the stadium is metal benches. Other parts were orange seats, which blends in.

But it’s not as bad as rivals / the media make it out to be, although of course we’d love it to be even better. We are in the top 30% of FBS attendance, even in our worst years, despite being in the bottom fifteen in UG population (which is how fandom is typically measured). For comparison, our annually attendance is similar to VT and Oregon, and averages ~15K less a year than FSU (fun fact: their renovation will be decreasing their stadium capacity to be on par with HRS). Also, UCF has never come close to our attendance numbers.

So yes, the issue is not attendance, it’s a PR / visibility problem. People are going, and we know we need the space for the biggest games, so how do we make it looked “filled” for the smaller games? Tarps are one solution, but the school definitely needs to work on this. And it will matter for conference realignment because this stuff matters to conferences. See the SI article below.

Sources: stats.ncaa.org; https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/power-5-desirability-rankings-sec-big-ten-acc
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It's been this way forever. Miami had no problem getting into the Big East and none getting into the ACC. You know what the conferences care about? TV ratings and winning.

The one positive out of this discussion is it means the Canes are taking care of **** on the field. Leave it to CIS to create a problem or at least make something much more out of a situation that has been there since the beginning of time.
 
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CaneinBroward said:
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It's been this way forever. Miami had no problem getting into the Big East and none getting into the ACC. You know what the conferences care about? TV ratings and winning.

The one positive out of this discussion is it means the Canes are taking care of **** on the field. Leave it to CIS to create a problem or at least make something much more out of a situation that has been there since the beginning of time.
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Exactly. We actually have less of an attendance problem than the bigger public schools, because we’ve never relied on that for revenue as much as they have. FSU and UF were already planning to reduce stadium capacity before this year’s disappointing season. We just need to win and everything will be fine.
 
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