Coaches starting to blow the whistle on st.Thomas

[sebastian91]

In my mind, high school and college football are getting too big, and there's too much money at stake. At some point, I think the system needs to shift away from the current model and move toward a similar system as major junior hockey in Canada (16-20 year olds). There's a draft, the players still must go to school (but without the farce of calling them 'student athletes'), they can be drafted into the pros and, if they aren't ready, sent back to their junior teams, with the pro team still holding their rights. The teams themselves are run like pro teams, are for-profit, players can be traded, and players not drafted to the pros or deemed 'not ready' can still go back and play at the university level when they get too old (although not in the US because they're no longer considered amateurs...but seriously, a lot of these elite high school and college players aren't really 'amateurs' either). Kids who are late bloomers or not considered 'elite' or good enough for major junior always have the option of playing at the university level.

I know that won't be a popular option for the St. Thomas' and Bamas of the football world, but it makes the most sense to me. Prepare them for the pros without having the ridiculous limitations of the 'rules' and everyone doing everything they can circumvent those rules.

You and [MENTION=42]HulkaCaniac[/MENTION] need to go back to tormenting DBC.

I never tormented DBC. Not one iota. You can go to ****!!!!!

 

[Tad Footeball]

I agree with the angry parent that accosted Harriott. STA is basically running a modern day slavery outfit. They need to start paying the players and covering their healthcare for life.

Lunacy aside, I can actually see how other coaches and those loyal to their local public high schools can get irked by the player poaching. But if it's so bad then the only solution is to separate private and parochial schools in athletics- something that won't happen and something that's almost now moot with the extreme rise of school choice on the horizon.

 

[Coach Macho]

Anyway you slice it, it's not fair. (but either is life)

Guys like us have almost no shot at keeping a stud player anymore, no matter how well we coach the kid or how much we do for him. It's extremely hard to battle against a private school with great facilities, a good education, a good reputation, etc...and then you add the fact that front-running is the thing to do nowadays and us public school guys are doomed.

Now, I would have no problem with STA if they just coached their ***'n kids and left other school's kids alone, like they used to, but that's not the case. If a parent chooses to take their kid elsewhere on their own, like Wade Freebeck's dad did when he took him to STA, then that's all good. Can't fault STA for that. But when you're persistently approaching kids from other schools, calling their cell phones, hollering at their mamas, getting in the daddy's ear all the time and lying to them about how much action they're going to get at STA...then it becomes slimy. That's the type of **** that creates animosity within the coaching world and ultimately is why a lot of public school coaches wish to see them fail.

You honestly can't fault a parent for wanting to see their kid at STA. I get it. But the part that I hate is when you develop a kid for 2 to 3 years and then STA coaches come and snatch him up after they see how good he is. It's almost like they scour the region for good athletes who are at schools that they can bully kids away from. "Coral Springs got a stud WR that caught 1,293 balls last year. We STA! We can take him from them." Then bam. Their coaches get a hold of the kid and the parents and feed them all kinds of BS. Next thing you know the kid is at STA, catching 1 pass per game.

This makes it almost impossible for the local public schools to build anything. Look at Western for example. They went 8-2, barely losing to McArthur and Flanagan. Elijah Moore and Kevin Austin could've been the difference between an 8-2 season and a 9-1 or 10-0 season. Forget Austin, Moore alone could've made that big of a difference for them. Instead, that kid was sold false dreams by STA, transferred and went from being his home school's main target to having a pathetic Junior year where he might've caught 12 balls.

STA doesn't hurt schools with a natural draw for athletes like Deerfield, Dillard, Miramar, etc...as much as they hurt schools who's handful of athletes make all the difference. (like Western, Cooper City, Coral Springs, Douglas, etc)

STA has been getting their share of studs for decades. At one point, the school basically recruited itself. And that's fine. When it becomes ridiculous is when their coaches go out of their way to take kids from other schools in an effort to stockpile their talent. It's unfair that STA had Elijah Moore twiddling his thumbs on the sideline when he could've been helping his home school achieve something special. That's not fair to the home school or their coaches.

And anybody who says "just do what they're doing, get on their level, **** or get off the pot, blah blah blah" has never coached and doesn't understand how difficult it is to fight the force that is STA. (or any well-off private school for that matter)

Is it hurting some of these kids college opportunities who go to STA and then don't play much? Do any of the kids get ****ed and ever leave STA?

Looked up Elijah Moore and he's still ranked 128th in the 2018 class, 21st WR.
Kevin Austin is 261st, 43th WR.

I'm curious is STA gives them more exposure even if they aren't playing a lot or getting much action? As a WR, I'd think you would want to play where you get the most opportunities.

Elijah got all of his offers before he ever put on an STA uniform.

And those offers were extended due to his tape/action from Western, not STA. Being at STA hasn't helped his recruiting a lick. He already has all of his offers before he stepped on their field.

Only reason that kid is highly regarded at all is because he caught 88 balls for 1200 yards as a 10th grader at Western.

 

[Coach Macho]

STA plays on National TV and Moore will get more receptions next year. I understand why kids do it.

LOL. Ok.

 

[Coach Macho]

They have two losses or do my eyes deceive me?

A game they squandered against BTW...

And a loss to a team just like them from across the country.

How does that have any relevance to the teams STA will see in the playoffs every year in FLA?

 

[Coach Macho]

STA isnt unbeatable. The problem with alot of these central FLA schools is that they just cant compete with ANY school in SoFla regardless if its STA or not. Most schools in SoFla recruit the best kids to their school while a school like Venice and Apopka do it the old fashion way of using their little league farm systems and dont recruit. They are still in the stone ages. Cant win like that anymore. .

Ehhhh, not entirely true. Venice's two best players are supposed to go to other schools. You think that Venice team we saw against STA looked weak, imagine them without Laroche. (he belongs North Port)

Same thing happens here in Manatee County. Some kids that are supposed to be at our school are at Palmetto, Manatee and Braden River instead.

It happens all over the state, just not at the level of South FLA.

You are right. But doesnt that make my point as well? Venice had 2 recruited players. A good source told me that Deerfield had **** near 15 kids playing for them that didnt belong there. Ely still thinks they can recruit the Pompano Cowboys and Pompano Chiefs optimist league players and still compete. The basketball coach (Melvin Randall) is WAY ahead of the curve. He is the STA of basketball. Has 5-6 state titles and recruits kids from all over Broward county to play for him. He aint stupid.

Unless schools in CenFla keep up, they wont stand a chance in a few years esp when this "go to whatever school you phuckin' want!" rule kicks in next year.

I hear ya. The thing about Central/West FLA is, they don't have the depth to do what we do in South FLA. There's simply not enough talent to form an STA in most cities around the state. And they continue to build more and more schools, which only filters out the talent.

Where I'm at now, in Manatee County, it used to just be Southeast High and Manatee High as the major schools. They had all of the talent in Manatee County thus they could compete with some good South FLA teams. Now the county has Braden River, Palmetto, Southeast, Manatee, Bayshore, and a new school being opened within the next year. Not enough talent in this county to feed all of those schools. Can't really build a powerhouse to compete with South FLA powers anymore.

 

[Hegemon]

They have two losses or do my eyes deceive me?

A game they squandered against BTW...

And a loss to a team just like them from across the country.

How does that have any relevance to the teams STA will see in the playoffs every year in FLA?

Sounds like some dumb**** that woman was coming up with because her team was mauled.

First off I went to STA.

The notion my school "harms african american kids" by recruiting them is absolutely absurd. Make the argument that its an unfair playing field but on the flip side I can say the kids get MORE exposure and therefore better opportunities for their future.

is acting like theyre on a 1820 Plantation. What a joke.



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[Coach Macho]

STA doesn't need to recruit, kids want to play there

That used to be the case. Not anymore.

 

[Coach Macho]

Elijah Moore is the poster child for the idiocy of front-running. I told a couple of the bums on here when he quit Western that he should have stayed there. They told me it was smart to go to STA because he'd get more exposure.

The only thing he got exposure to was the bench. He caught 8 balls, and no one even mentions him anymore. He was an 80 catch and 1000+ yard WR at Western and had everyone's attention. Now, he's got as many TDs as one of their DTs and is the forgotten front-runner.

Most action he's had all year was that fight last week where he punched a guy in the face and ran. LOL

 

[Coach Macho]

They have two losses or do my eyes deceive me?

A game they squandered against BTW...

And a loss to a team just like them from across the country.

How does that have any relevance to the teams STA will see in the playoffs every year in FLA?

Sounds like some dumb**** that woman was coming up with because her team was mauled.

First off I went to STA.

The notion my school "harms african american kids" by recruiting them is absolutely absurd. Make the argument that its an unfair playing field but on the flip side I can say the kids get MORE exposure and therefore better opportunities for their future.

is acting like theyre on a 1820 Plantation. What a joke.



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Well I don't agree with that lady.

I wonder if she knows that her school is capitalizing off of 2 blacks kids (their best players) who don't belong at their all white school.

 

[Hegemon]

They have two losses or do my eyes deceive me?

A game they squandered against BTW...

And a loss to a team just like them from across the country.

How does that have any relevance to the teams STA will see in the playoffs every year in FLA?

Sounds like some dumb**** that woman was coming up with because her team was mauled.

First off I went to STA.

The notion my school "harms african american kids" by recruiting them is absolutely absurd. Make the argument that its an unfair playing field but on the flip side I can say the kids get MORE exposure and therefore better opportunities for their future.

is acting like theyre on a 1820 Plantation. What a joke.



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Well I don't agree with that lady.

I wonder if she knows that her school is capitalizing off of 2 blacks kids (their best players) who don't belong at their all white school.

Complain about the recruiting all you want.

It is OFFENSIVE the juxtaposition she made of backhandedly stating blacks are somehow used as cattle at STA. Like really dumbass? They're being forced to go there? SMFH

Change the rule otherwise STA will continue to recruit LIKE EVERY OTHER BIGTIME SCHOOL INCLUDING INNER CITY SCHOOLS.

 

[Coach Macho]

My opinion is no kid owes no school or region anything. As long as he bust his tail for said school while he's there. He doesn't owe a coach anything other than to inform him first he is going to leave and not hear secondhand info. If a kid and a parent feel somewhere else is more beneficial to the kid then so be it. I know there are cases were kids should not leave the school. But there are many cases where a kid should leave. Cases where a kid will give more college notice at a different school. And it's not all about how many reps and snaps you get. Some kids don't care to be a big fish in a small pond. Sometimes it's about the future.

Problem with what you're saying is, a lot of the kids that transfer to STA already have attention from colleges. They already have offers.

STA is taking studs as transfers. They're not taking kids that need exposure.

We've lost several kids to STA. (for whatever reason, STA rapes the Davie area)
I haven't seen a single one of them get additional offers than what they already had with us.

I don't necessarily disagree with your post, the issue is, it's not always the parents/kids who are making these decisions on their own. They're being manipulated.

 

[Hegemon]

My opinion is no kid owes no school or region anything. As long as he bust his tail for said school while he's there. He doesn't owe a coach anything other than to inform him first he is going to leave and not hear secondhand info. If a kid and a parent feel somewhere else is more beneficial to the kid then so be it. I know there are cases were kids should not leave the school. But there are many cases where a kid should leave. Cases where a kid will give more college notice at a different school. And it's not all about how many reps and snaps you get. Some kids don't care to be a big fish in a small pond. Sometimes it's about the future.

Problem with what you're saying is, a lot of the kids that transfer to STA already have attention from colleges. They already have offers.

STA is taking studs as transfers. They're not taking kids that need exposure.

We've lost several kids to STA. (for whatever reason, STA rapes the Davie area)
I haven't seen a single one of them get additional offers than what they already had with us.

I don't necessarily disagree with your post, the issue is, it's not always the parents/kids who are making these decisions on their own. They're being manipulated.

Yes because STA makes money off of home game attendance.

LOL

Now parents aren't really "adults" when it comes to STA. They're manipulated. You sound so butthurt it's not even funny.

How about this? Since this is such a widespread "issue" where is the lobbying for a rule change since STA comprises what percentage of the high-schools in Broward. **** this coulda been changed 50 years ago but the reality is it ain't that big an issue at all.

The butthurt is so palpable.

 

[AJRob76]

Coach Macho I always appreciate your post

 

[Saviorcane]

STA plays on National TV and Moore will get more receptions next year. I understand why kids do it.

LOL. Ok.

They do play on national TV and he will get more touches next year. How many times did western play on national TV compared to STA? Everyone gets it you don't like STA, but you can't dispute the facts I have laid before you.

 

[Coach Macho]

My opinion is no kid owes no school or region anything. As long as he bust his tail for said school while he's there. He doesn't owe a coach anything other than to inform him first he is going to leave and not hear secondhand info. If a kid and a parent feel somewhere else is more beneficial to the kid then so be it. I know there are cases were kids should not leave the school. But there are many cases where a kid should leave. Cases where a kid will give more college notice at a different school. And it's not all about how many reps and snaps you get. Some kids don't care to be a big fish in a small pond. Sometimes it's about the future.

Problem with what you're saying is, a lot of the kids that transfer to STA already have attention from colleges. They already have offers.

STA is taking studs as transfers. They're not taking kids that need exposure.

We've lost several kids to STA. (for whatever reason, STA rapes the Davie area)
I haven't seen a single one of them get additional offers than what they already had with us.

I don't necessarily disagree with your post, the issue is, it's not always the parents/kids who are making these decisions on their own. They're being manipulated.

Yes because STA makes money off of home game attendance.

LOL

Now parents aren't really "adults" when it comes to STA. They're manipulated. You sound so butthurt it's not even funny.

How about this? Since this is such a widespread "issue" where is the lobbying for a rule change since STA comprises what percentage of the high-schools in Broward. **** this coulda been changed 50 years ago but the reality is it ain't that big an issue at all.

The butthurt is so palpable.

Ok guy.

Can I really have an opinion on this matter without sounding butthurt to guys like yourself? Of course not.

I'm just saying what a lot of guys think. I guess we're all butthurt. I guess I should just be totally cool with losing my best players to a well-off private school who recruits kids that we develop. Just be cool with that, so I don't sound butthurt. LOL

 

[Coach Macho]

STA plays on National TV and Moore will get more receptions next year. I understand why kids do it.

LOL. Ok.

They do play on national TV and he will get more touches next year. How many times did western play on national TV compared to STA? Everyone gets it you don't like STA, but you can't dispute the facts I have laid before you.

Who gives a **** about national TV though? LOL

So he got to run around and catch zero passes on national TV against a team from Vegas. Whoopty doo.

His Junior year was a complete waste.

If playing on national TV is a draw then I guess these kids should only go to a handful of the same schools. 99% of schools don't play on TV.

 

[Hegemon]

My opinion is no kid owes no school or region anything. As long as he bust his tail for said school while he's there. He doesn't owe a coach anything other than to inform him first he is going to leave and not hear secondhand info. If a kid and a parent feel somewhere else is more beneficial to the kid then so be it. I know there are cases were kids should not leave the school. But there are many cases where a kid should leave. Cases where a kid will give more college notice at a different school. And it's not all about how many reps and snaps you get. Some kids don't care to be a big fish in a small pond. Sometimes it's about the future.

Problem with what you're saying is, a lot of the kids that transfer to STA already have attention from colleges. They already have offers.

STA is taking studs as transfers. They're not taking kids that need exposure.

We've lost several kids to STA. (for whatever reason, STA rapes the Davie area)
I haven't seen a single one of them get additional offers than what they already had with us.

I don't necessarily disagree with your post, the issue is, it's not always the parents/kids who are making these decisions on their own. They're being manipulated.

Yes because STA makes money off of home game attendance.

LOL

Now parents aren't really "adults" when it comes to STA. They're manipulated. You sound so butthurt it's not even funny.

How about this? Since this is such a widespread "issue" where is the lobbying for a rule change since STA comprises what percentage of the high-schools in Broward. **** this coulda been changed 50 years ago but the reality is it ain't that big an issue at all.

The butthurt is so palpable.

Ok guy.

Can I really have an opinion on this matter without sounding butthurt to guys like yourself? Of course not.

I'm just saying what a lot of guys think. I guess we're all butthurt. I guess I should just be totally cool with losing my best players to a well-off private school who recruits kids that we develop. Just be cool with that, so I don't sound butthurt. LOL

I mean if it mattered that much perhaps you and the rest of the gang would do something in real life as opposed to, ohh I don't know, ****ting on a school on a message board?

You're right though. You develop the finished product and STA just reaps the benefits.

The butthurt level is expanding exponentially.

Please start threads about NW, BTW, Central, Heritage and the rest if the gang while you're at it. **** Southridge probably has 15-20 kids going D1.

SMFH

 

[Coach Macho]

My opinion is no kid owes no school or region anything. As long as he bust his tail for said school while he's there. He doesn't owe a coach anything other than to inform him first he is going to leave and not hear secondhand info. If a kid and a parent feel somewhere else is more beneficial to the kid then so be it. I know there are cases were kids should not leave the school. But there are many cases where a kid should leave. Cases where a kid will give more college notice at a different school. And it's not all about how many reps and snaps you get. Some kids don't care to be a big fish in a small pond. Sometimes it's about the future.

Problem with what you're saying is, a lot of the kids that transfer to STA already have attention from colleges. They already have offers.

STA is taking studs as transfers. They're not taking kids that need exposure.

We've lost several kids to STA. (for whatever reason, STA rapes the Davie area)
I haven't seen a single one of them get additional offers than what they already had with us.

I don't necessarily disagree with your post, the issue is, it's not always the parents/kids who are making these decisions on their own. They're being manipulated.

Yes because STA makes money off of home game attendance.

LOL

Now parents aren't really "adults" when it comes to STA. They're manipulated. You sound so butthurt it's not even funny.

How about this? Since this is such a widespread "issue" where is the lobbying for a rule change since STA comprises what percentage of the high-schools in Broward. **** this coulda been changed 50 years ago but the reality is it ain't that big an issue at all.

The butthurt is so palpable.

Ok guy.

Can I really have an opinion on this matter without sounding butthurt to guys like yourself? Of course not.

I'm just saying what a lot of guys think. I guess we're all butthurt. I guess I should just be totally cool with losing my best players to a well-off private school who recruits kids that we develop. Just be cool with that, so I don't sound butthurt. LOL

I mean if it mattered that much perhaps you and the rest of the gang would do something in real life as opposed to, ohh I don't know, ****ting on a school on a message board?

You're right though. You develop the finished product and STA just reaps the benefits.

The butthurt level is expanding exponentially.

Please start threads about NW, BTW, Central, Heritage and the rest if the gang while you're at it. **** Southridge probably has 15-20 kids going D1.

SMFH

Uh, how am I ****ting on the school? I actually threw a couple compliments in my original post. All I'm doing is talking about the subject at hand like everybody else is and giving my perspective.

I'm too busy coaching kids who wanna be here to worry about "doing something in real life". I'm busy doing what I was hired to do, make kids better. I can promise you that I'm not butthurt at all. I don't even coach in Broward County anymore.

I'm not gonna start any threads about any school, d!ckhead, I didn't start this one. All I've done was give my 2 cents. I should've remembered the status quo around here and known that some fa99ot who has no relevance in the situation would chime in and call me "butthurt".

 

[Saviorcane]

STA plays on National TV and Moore will get more receptions next year. I understand why kids do it.

LOL. Ok.

They do play on national TV and he will get more touches next year. How many times did western play on national TV compared to STA? Everyone gets it you don't like STA, but you can't dispute the facts I have laid before you.

Who gives a **** about national TV though? LOL

So he got to run around and catch zero passes on national TV against a team from Vegas. Whoopty doo.

His Junior year was a complete waste.

If playing on national TV is a draw then I guess these kids should only go to a handful of the same schools. 99% of schools don't play on TV.

STA isn't 99% of schools. Is winning a championship a waste?