Coaches starting to blow the whistle on st.Thomas

[randolph herndon]

One thing for sure the growth of these charter and private schools is not going to stop anytime soon.

 

[GoldenTimes]

They shouldn't be allowed in post season.

Same as IMG.

 

[gogeta4]

Some schools see the value in having a top notch athletic program. St. Thomas and Heritage are among them. Gibbons is now making a push to improve in football. They are really working on it, in fact. Donnell Bennett is the Head of Football Operations over there and they are making a major push.

Interestingly, a lot of kids are shying away from the competition at STA and going to other schools in a quest for earlier playing time (to build their film). STA's freshman football team had their smallest turnout in a long time this season. A lot of coaches at competing schools are using STA's depth against them in trying to sway kids to go to their school and then telling the kid, that if the kid is really good, STA will recruit them to come in as juniors anyway.

There were coaches from Chaminade-Madonna, Western, Heritage, Archbishop McCarthy and STA at my son's Davie Broncos' practices every week this past season.

Sta will get who they want from the optomist programs. Harriott was at my super bowl championship two weeks back in plantation.

Venice is just soft, coach included. Teams in broward play Sta tough every year..and they lost to BTW this year. Miramar beat them a few times, Deerfield always plays them tough.

Harriott will recruit Harder than smith ever did, because he has to stick the deck wherever he is. But it the new rule change..some broward publics might get back right. I miss the days of plantation and dillard being power houses. Deerfield is bck strong now...Ely will always have talent.

 

[Zbrod95]

[MENTION=5124]Coach Macho[/MENTION]
Wheres Brian Piccolo when you need him

PickleSmooch caught da band

 

[Calinative]

It happens everywhere. Coaches complained about Concord And how they were winning and beating teams. Concord is the the same school DJ Williams came from. It happens in GA where people complained about Buford but now I think they are complaining about Grayson. High schools have been recruiting just like college. They either give their parents jobs or find ways to move them into district.

That's not really true though. De La Salle doesn't get a lot of transfers. Obviously they get the best players around them because they are a private school, but they don't really recruit too much, and they don't have to. They really don't even have that many NFL players.

The reason STA isn't always going undefeated like DLS is is because of all these transfers, and the fact all the players are prima donnas. DLS is a team, whereas STA is just a bunch of star players. There's a big difference.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Some schools see the value in having a top notch athletic program. St. Thomas and Heritage are among them. Gibbons is now making a push to improve in football. They are really working on it, in fact. Donnell Bennett is the Head of Football Operations over there and they are making a major push.

Interestingly, a lot of kids are shying away from the competition at STA and going to other schools in a quest for earlier playing time (to build their film). STA's freshman football team had their smallest turnout in a long time this season. A lot of coaches at competing schools are using STA's depth against them in trying to sway kids to go to their school and then telling the kid, that if the kid is really good, STA will recruit them to come in as juniors anyway.

There were coaches from Chaminade-Madonna, Western, Heritage, Archbishop McCarthy and STA at my son's Davie Broncos' practices every week this past season.

Sta will get who they want from the optomist programs. Harriott was at my super bowl championship two weeks back in plantation.

Venice is just soft, coach included. Teams in broward play Sta tough every year..and they lost to BTW this year. Miramar beat them a few times, Deerfield always plays them tough.

Harriott will recruit Harder than smith ever did, because he has to stick the deck wherever he is. But it the new rule change..some broward publics might get back right. I miss the days of plantation and dillard being power houses. Deerfield is bck strong now...Ely will always have talent.

What park and age do you coach?

Roger will get his players from Optimist parks, but the question is how many will stick with him for 4 years?

 

[Reshon52ap]

From this side of the fence I can tell you that AA parents believe certain private institutions provides their child the benefits they want most for their children, academics excellence, athletics, influential social contacts and a safe environment. The public school ruling was meant to level the field and provide for something that was already happening to a certain extent, that the FHSAA or local athletic associations couldn't afford the personnel and costs necessary to enforce or control. Things change and you have to be able to adapt quickly. It's life man.

Safe environment is one of the reasons the AYFL is so popular in optimist football, so I can see it being a reason why parents want their kids to play at private schools.

Although the best league is fyfl lol had to throw that in there

There is definitely a lot of talent in the Flo league, but it isn't as well organized as the AYFL. I hear a lot of complaints about a fluid schedule.

I also hear about bullets flying at some of their parks.

Yea im talking about strictly talent/competition fyfl the best ayfl by far best organized though although fyfl not really bad either.

 

[can4life]

Hey your son must play from Davie Broncos? My cousin coach for them he told me a similar story to yours.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Hey your son must play from Davie Broncos? My cousin coach for them he told me a similar story to yours.

Yes He plays for the Davie Broncos. Who is your cousin?

 

[bobbo31]

Public schools do it as well and with these new rules kicking in it's gonna get even worse

Exactly how do you explain to kids from Pompano and Lauderdale Lakes going from Gibbons this past year to Deerfield? Public schools do it as much as anyone. At least most of these kids from bad neighborhoods with poor education systems are getting a better education at St Thomas than they would at their other HS. Is St Thomas exploiting these kids? Maybe. Are these kids exploiting St Thomas as well for better offers, better team, better coaching, better education, etc.? Surely.

 

[AJRob76]

Public schools do it as well and with these new rules kicking in it's gonna get even worse

Exactly how do you explain to kids from Pompano and Lauderdale Lakes going from Gibbons this past year to Deerfield? Public schools do it as much as anyone. At least most of these kids from bad neighborhoods with poor education systems are getting a better education at St Thomas than they would at their other HS. Is St Thomas exploiting these kids? Maybe. Are these kids exploiting St Thomas as well for better offers, better team, better coaching, better education, etc.? Surely.

Listen I went to Dillard but if my son lived in South Florida he'd more than likely be going to St. Thomas for a number of reasons. He lives in Ocala and Trinity Catholic their version of St Thomas was is destination until his mother nixed that. The advantages he would have going to Trinity are ridiculous compared to where he is now. As a parent I just preferred he was at a private and so did he.

 

[The Franchise]

Massive recruiting in HS football is GARBAGE. Save that **** for college. It creates divas by turning children into hot commodities way too young and also turns kids into meal tickets way too early in life.

Just go to the school in your area. And if you choose to go to a private school, then you need to do what the other families who send kids there do.

If private schools are allowed to recruit, then they need to only play against other schools that openly recruit like they do. Or they could do something where they put limits on it. Maybe let schools recruit 2 or 3 guys per season. But that **** that STA does is straight garbage.

 

[Reshon52ap]

Massive recruiting in HS football is GARBAGE. Save that **** for college. It creates divas by turning children into hot commodities way too young and also turns kids into meal tickets way too early in life.

Just go to the school in your area. And if you choose to go to a private school, then you need to do what the other families who send kids there do.

If private schools are allowed to recruit, then they need to only play against other schools that openly recruit like they do. Or they could do something where they put limits on it. Maybe let schools recruit 2 or 3 guys per season. But that **** that STA does is straight garbage.

Only people complaining is teams outta town who would lose to any south fl good team private or public, st thomas play teams down here every year and be in dog fights **** miramar & booker t beat them recently..them fl teams up north just not as talented period man u put a 6A team like carol city/Central/Northwestern in St thomas class and one of them go to state its just how south fl football is

 

[Coach Macho]

STA isnt unbeatable. The problem with alot of these central FLA schools is that they just cant compete with ANY school in SoFla regardless if its STA or not. Most schools in SoFla recruit the best kids to their school while a school like Venice and Apopka do it the old fashion way of using their little league farm systems and dont recruit. They are still in the stone ages. Cant win like that anymore. .

Ehhhh, not entirely true. Venice's two best players are supposed to go to other schools. You think that Venice team we saw against STA looked weak, imagine them without Laroche. (he belongs North Port)

Same thing happens here in Manatee County. Some kids that are supposed to be at our school are at Palmetto, Manatee and Braden River instead.

It happens all over the state, just not at the level of South FLA.

 

[Andrew]

The GHSA would not put up with the recruitment St Thomas does. They are clearly paying players by giving them scholarships to player football.

 

[Coach Macho]

Anyway you slice it, it's not fair. (but either is life)

Guys like us have almost no shot at keeping a stud player anymore, no matter how well we coach the kid or how much we do for him. It's extremely hard to battle against a private school with great facilities, a good education, a good reputation, etc...and then you add the fact that front-running is the thing to do nowadays and us public school guys are doomed.

Now, I would have no problem with STA if they just coached their ***'n kids and left other school's kids alone, like they used to, but that's not the case. If a parent chooses to take their kid elsewhere on their own, like Wade Freebeck's dad did when he took him to STA, then that's all good. Can't fault STA for that. But when you're persistently approaching kids from other schools, calling their cell phones, hollering at their mamas, getting in the daddy's ear all the time and lying to them about how much action they're going to get at STA...then it becomes slimy. That's the type of **** that creates animosity within the coaching world and ultimately is why a lot of public school coaches wish to see them fail.

You honestly can't fault a parent for wanting to see their kid at STA. I get it. But the part that I hate is when you develop a kid for 2 to 3 years and then STA coaches come and snatch him up after they see how good he is. It's almost like they scour the region for good athletes who are at schools that they can bully kids away from. "Coral Springs got a stud WR that caught 1,293 balls last year. We STA! We can take him from them." Then bam. Their coaches get a hold of the kid and the parents and feed them all kinds of BS. Next thing you know the kid is at STA, catching 1 pass per game.

This makes it almost impossible for the local public schools to build anything. Look at Western for example. They went 8-2, barely losing to McArthur and Flanagan. Elijah Moore and Kevin Austin could've been the difference between an 8-2 season and a 9-1 or 10-0 season. Forget Austin, Moore alone could've made that big of a difference for them. Instead, that kid was sold false dreams by STA, transferred and went from being his home school's main target to having a pathetic Junior year where he might've caught 12 balls.

STA doesn't hurt schools with a natural draw for athletes like Deerfield, Dillard, Miramar, etc...as much as they hurt schools who's handful of athletes make all the difference. (like Western, Cooper City, Coral Springs, Douglas, etc)

STA has been getting their share of studs for decades. At one point, the school basically recruited itself. And that's fine. When it becomes ridiculous is when their coaches go out of their way to take kids from other schools in an effort to stockpile their talent. It's unfair that STA had Elijah Moore twiddling his thumbs on the sideline when he could've been helping his home school achieve something special. That's not fair to the home school or their coaches.

And anybody who says "just do what they're doing, get on their level, **** or get off the pot, blah blah blah" has never coached and doesn't understand how difficult it is to fight the force that is STA. (or any well-off private school for that matter)

 

[pumbaa]

SHIDDD in the late 90's early 2000's at Piper we lost football and bball players to STA all the **** time. We called it then, but nothing ever happened. Piper and these other schools dont have the budget for the gyms, weight rooms, extra coaches, s&c, and all that. It is unfair and has always been.

 

[gogeta4]

Some schools see the value in having a top notch athletic program. St. Thomas and Heritage are among them. Gibbons is now making a push to improve in football. They are really working on it, in fact. Donnell Bennett is the Head of Football Operations over there and they are making a major push.

Interestingly, a lot of kids are shying away from the competition at STA and going to other schools in a quest for earlier playing time (to build their film). STA's freshman football team had their smallest turnout in a long time this season. A lot of coaches at competing schools are using STA's depth against them in trying to sway kids to go to their school and then telling the kid, that if the kid is really good, STA will recruit them to come in as juniors anyway.

There were coaches from Chaminade-Madonna, Western, Heritage, Archbishop McCarthy and STA at my son's Davie Broncos' practices every week this past season.

Sta will get who they want from the optomist programs. Harriott was at my super bowl championship two weeks back in plantation.

Venice is just soft, coach included. Teams in broward play Sta tough every year..and they lost to BTW this year. Miramar beat them a few times, Deerfield always plays them tough.

Harriott will recruit Harder than smith ever did, because he has to stick the deck wherever he is. But it the new rule change..some broward publics might get back right. I miss the days of plantation and dillard being power houses. Deerfield is bck strong now...Ely will always have talent.

What park and age do you coach?

Roger will get his players from Optimist parks, but the question is how many will stick with him for 4 years?

Miramar..probably the best overall park in the ayfl

 

[DiegoCane]

Anyway you slice it, it's not fair. (but either is life)

Guys like us have almost no shot at keeping a stud player anymore, no matter how well we coach the kid or how much we do for him. It's extremely hard to battle against a private school with great facilities, a good education, a good reputation, etc...and then you add the fact that front-running is the thing to do nowadays and us public school guys are doomed.

Now, I would have no problem with STA if they just coached their ***'n kids and left other school's kids alone, like they used to, but that's not the case. If a parent chooses to take their kid elsewhere on their own, like Wade Freebeck's dad did when he took him to STA, then that's all good. Can't fault STA for that. But when you're persistently approaching kids from other schools, calling their cell phones, hollering at their mamas, getting in the daddy's ear all the time and lying to them about how much action they're going to get at STA...then it becomes slimy. That's the type of **** that creates animosity within the coaching world and ultimately is why a lot of public school coaches wish to see them fail.

You honestly can't fault a parent for wanting to see their kid at STA. I get it. But the part that I hate is when you develop a kid for 2 to 3 years and then STA coaches come and snatch him up after they see how good he is. It's almost like they scour the region for good athletes who are at schools that they can bully kids away from. "Coral Springs got a stud WR that caught 1,293 balls last year. We STA! We can take him from them." Then bam. Their coaches get a hold of the kid and the parents and feed them all kinds of BS. Next thing you know the kid is at STA, catching 1 pass per game.

This makes it almost impossible for the local public schools to build anything. Look at Western for example. They went 8-2, barely losing to McArthur and Flanagan. Elijah Moore and Kevin Austin could've been the difference between an 8-2 season and a 9-1 or 10-0 season. Forget Austin, Moore alone could've made that big of a difference for them. Instead, that kid was sold false dreams by STA, transferred and went from being his home school's main target to having a pathetic Junior year where he might've caught 12 balls.

STA doesn't hurt schools with a natural draw for athletes like Deerfield, Dillard, Miramar, etc...as much as they hurt schools who's handful of athletes make all the difference. (like Western, Cooper City, Coral Springs, Douglas, etc)

STA has been getting their share of studs for decades. At one point, the school basically recruited itself. And that's fine. When it becomes ridiculous is when their coaches go out of their way to take kids from other schools in an effort to stockpile their talent. It's unfair that STA had Elijah Moore twiddling his thumbs on the sideline when he could've been helping his home school achieve something special. That's not fair to the home school or their coaches.

And anybody who says "just do what they're doing, get on their level, **** or get off the pot, blah blah blah" has never coached and doesn't understand how difficult it is to fight the force that is STA. (or any well-off private school for that matter)

Is it hurting some of these kids college opportunities who go to STA and then don't play much? Do any of the kids get ****ed and ever leave STA?

Looked up Elijah Moore and he's still ranked 128th in the 2018 class, 21st WR.
Kevin Austin is 261st, 43th WR.

I'm curious is STA gives them more exposure even if they aren't playing a lot or getting much action? As a WR, I'd think you would want to play where you get the most opportunities.

 

[Saviorcane]

STA plays on National TV and Moore will get more receptions next year. I understand why kids do it.