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hurricaneman said:
A lack of portal QB lost us offensive portal talent this year and likely lost us Jeremiah Smith last year. You can say it's execution but I think this chaos and uncertainty is always inherent in the strategy. There are so many variables you have to navigate that prevent you from executing how you want.

What if your main target(s) doesn't have a bowl game until the end of December? And then all the offensive skill players jump in earlier in the month? When you try and sign a high school player in June how do you explain that you have no idea who the next QB is going to be when they finally join. What if your target decides to go pro? Or the school matches the offer? The negative outcomes, using this strategy, leave you with no room for recovery. If you miss you're done.

I think the reality is, wherever you go to get this player, you need a continuous parade of multi-year starters OR QBs in waiting that are obvious heirs. In June of 2025 you need to have the starter for August of 2026 on the roster. That was how it was always done in the past and I don't think it should change, the only difference is now you can use the portal to reach that situation, in addition to high school recruiting.

If a Cam Ward comes along in December, sure, go spend whatever is necessary to get him and manage the fallout in the QB room. But trying to get Cam Ward every year is insane, not the quality of player but the idea that it's either going to be a playoff run or struggling to make a bowl game.
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Jeremiah Smith went to OSU because they’ve been producing NFL receivers for the past two decades. It had nothing to do with Portal v. HS QB. Our starter (who we signed from high school) was graduating, so there was no incumbent to sell him on anyway.

You still need to sign QBs that aren’t instant starters. Everybody carries at least three scholarship players at the position. The developmental QB can be from HS, or it can be a young QB in the Portal. Oregon got both Dillon Gabriel and Dante Moore last year. But if I’m spending big money, I want a sure thing.
 
DMoney said:
Jeremiah Smith went to OSU because they’ve been producing NFL receivers for the past two decades. Unfortunately, we haven’t. It had nothing to do with Portal v. HS QB.

You still need to sign QBs that aren’t instant starters. That can be from HS, or it can be a young QB in the Portal. But if I’m spending big money, I want a sure thing.
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If we are spending big money why do we keep striking out? Mateer doesn’t even acknowledge us, Maiava quit answering the phone, no other QB linked to us.
 
Most professional teams [NFL and top college programs] have a backup who is good enough to play at a level near that of the starter. Injuries happen and you can't flush the season because of lack of planning [recruiting HS or portal]. Most try to stash a quality "project" for the future. At some positions [QB, WR1, CB] failing to have a plan is coaching malpractice. Mario has failed at those positions [despite obvious upgrades to OL, RB, and edge]. Unless we get a healthy Beck, or similar portal QB or have a phenom true freshman in Nickel, Mario has set himself and our team up to fail.
 
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Imagine us having Mendoza in our lap as an easy add and passing and using that as the evidence for why going with portal QB strategy is the wrong one smh.

Whether we chose wrong is irrelevant to the fact that we easily COULD HAVE had a QB from the portal that was at least solid to good or perhaps even great. How many Qbs out of HS this year or last year would you be so much more confident in to have to start for us next season over just taking a Chandler Morris or a Fernando Mendoza? lol. Again the problem isn't the strategy of going the portal QB route. The problem this offseason was likely having too high of standards/expectations regarding quality of player we wanted and how much we were willing to spend for that quality. I don't even disagree with them for instance passing on Beck the first go round if he was asking for $4M... again why go for him at that price rather than go for the truly top prospect like Mateer for that same cost. Or Why go for him at that cost when you can get a relatively similar level prospect for far cheaper? The problem with our QB strategy just seems to be that we took too large of a risk and it backfired, instead of playing it safer and taking the slightly lower quality guy asap. And a big factor in that is most of the higher quality guys you'd like to target are likely playing in bowl games later into the year and/or are STILL playing in the CFP. So I get why they didn't want to jump right on the first couple options immediately. But we weighted the risk/reward and clearly it bit us in the ***. But again we could have played this differently and ended up trying to go all out for like Hoover/Robertson sooner or having just jumped on Morris/Mendoza when they were there for the taking and not been in any problem....

Now obvoiously it would be really nice to have a HS Qb developed that we can turn to for 2-3 seasons. But I'd say that is FAR riskier than going for proven commodities at QB out of the portal
 
TpaBayFlyFisher said:
Most professional teams [NFL and top college programs] have a backup who is good enough to play at a level near that of the starter. Injuries happen and you can't flush the season because of lack of planning [recruiting HS or portal]. Most try to stash a quality "project" for the future. At some positions [QB, WR1, CB] failing to have a plan is coaching malpractice. Mario has failed at those positions [despite obvious upgrades to OL, RB, and edge]. Unless we get a healthy Beck, or similar portal QB or have a phenom true freshman in Nickel, Mario has set himself and our team up to fail.
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...uh heavily disagree lol. There is perhaps no position in all of sports that has a larger delta in quality/wins/epa above replacement than QB lol.
 
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TpaBayFlyFisher said:
Most professional teams [NFL and top college programs] have a backup who is good enough to play at a level near that of the starter. Injuries happen and you can't flush the season because of lack of planning [recruiting HS or portal]. Most try to stash a quality "project" for the future. At some positions [QB, WR1, CB] failing to have a plan is coaching malpractice. Mario has failed at those positions [despite obvious upgrades to OL, RB, and edge]. Unless we get a healthy Beck, or similar portal QB or have a phenom true freshman in Nickel, Mario has set himself and our team up to fail.
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See Miami Dolphins …………
 
TpaBayFlyFisher said:
Most professional teams [NFL and top college programs] have a backup who is good enough to play at a level near that of the starter. Injuries happen and you can't flush the season because of lack of planning [recruiting HS or portal]. Most try to stash a quality "project" for the future. At some positions [QB, WR1, CB] failing to have a plan is coaching malpractice. Mario has failed at those positions [despite obvious upgrades to OL, RB, and edge]. Unless we get a healthy Beck, or similar portal QB or have a phenom true freshman in Nickel, Mario has set himself and our team up to fail.
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The bolded needs to be researched. Off top it doesn’t seem true at all.

Oregon, OSU, Texas & ND all have TP QBs. LSU has benefited twice from it & it’s paid dividends in HS recruiting for them now. That’s just the era we are in now.

And if you look at the recent recruiting classes, a lot of these young guys haven’t seen the field. It’s either they can’t play or the programs are recruiting over them via the TP. The QB position has seen top guys move around.
 
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TpaBayFlyFisher said:
Most professional teams [NFL and top college programs] have a backup who is good enough to play at a level near that of the starter. Injuries happen and you can't flush the season because of lack of planning [recruiting HS or portal]. Most try to stash a quality "project" for the future. At some positions [QB, WR1, CB] failing to have a plan is coaching malpractice. Mario has failed at those positions [despite obvious upgrades to OL, RB, and edge]. Unless we get a healthy Beck, or similar portal QB or have a phenom true freshman in Nickel, Mario has set himself and our team up to fail.
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Quality of QB play in the NFL is awful. About a third of the teams have mediocre to bad QBs. Very few possess decent backups. If you lose a starter in the NFL and backup has to play meaningful games, your season is toast. Not many college programs are like Texas with Arch Manning on the bench.
 
So................where are all the QBs signed from the portal from? If I recall correctly [big assumption], not all come from Washington State. OSU, Tex, Ou, USC, Bama, UGa all have lost them to other teams. So some successful programs have desirable backups.
 
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tr1ck said:
Lol what ? I literally said nobody knows whats going on including me.. let me guess u believe every Qb called mario and was begging to come here and mario told them no thanks 😂 😂
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I didn't say every QB called Mario. Several did.

Mendoza was very interested in coming to Miami. While he was not completely ignored, he was also not recruited as hard at the outset, and it cost us dearly.
 
TpaBayFlyFisher said:
Most professional teams [NFL and top college programs] have a backup who is good enough to play at a level near that of the starter. Injuries happen and you can't flush the season because of lack of planning [recruiting HS or portal]. Most try to stash a quality "project" for the future. At some positions [QB, WR1, CB] failing to have a plan is coaching malpractice. Mario has failed at those positions [despite obvious upgrades to OL, RB, and edge]. Unless we get a healthy Beck, or similar portal QB or have a phenom true freshman in Nickel, Mario has set himself and our team up to fail.
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Everyone except the Canes and Dolphins lol

Skylar Thompson and Emory next guys up is beyond brutal.
 
TpaBayFlyFisher said:
Most professional teams [NFL and top college programs] have a backup who is good enough to play at a level near that of the starter. Injuries happen and you can't flush the season because of lack of planning [recruiting HS or portal]. Most try to stash a quality "project" for the future. At some positions [QB, WR1, CB] failing to have a plan is coaching malpractice. Mario has failed at those positions [despite obvious upgrades to OL, RB, and edge]. Unless we get a healthy Beck, or similar portal QB or have a phenom true freshman in Nickel, Mario has set himself and our team up to fail.
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Uh no they don't. Can you name the good backups in the NFL? There are maybe 4-5?
 
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