Carson Beck

[NicKane]

Not an Emory fan but I'm also not counting him out based off of his freshman snaps. We literally had a no star recruit originating from Incarnate Word almost win the Heisman. Just saying you never know

That almost Heisman winner had an above average arm strength and above average athleticism. Neither of those things Emery has.

 

[Gocanes1990]

That’s BS. No different than Restrepo as a go to or quick Horton slant or George screen. They all produce stats - perhaps often misleading.

I trust my eyes. Carson beck is Tyler van cuck but taller. He will lose you games and turn the ball over

 

[AllAboutTheU]

Probably going to win Offensive Rookie of the Year.

Jayden Daniels exists.

 

[flips]

Ewers MAY go pro. His grade is consistently in the 2nd round. He may even slip into the third round. Again, I am not comparing him to Cam. However, Ewers has the talent to go first round and high first round. He may see what Cam did to catapult himself and stay one more year and come to Miami. The blue print is already laid out.

And in my opinion, Ewers would have a chip on his shoulder. He would have a better line. And I may sound biased, but he could have a better receiving core.

I'd take Ewers over Beck, but I think he's more likely to go pro than return for another year. ASU's defense has played well last couple of games but they weren't world beaters over the whole year. I think Ewers has a big game against them.

He's the 4th highest rated QB on CBS Sports (3rd if Milroe comes back). NFL teams love to panic and reach on QBs, and if the top 2 are off the board after first 10 picks, I would wager the 3rd QB isn't lasting past end of 1st/early 2nd.

 

[fincane]

You said he took over for the defending champs - that’s what he did in 2023 with that level of talent. Georgia lost that talent and this is what he did with a strong (but prob more similar to us than to the 21-23 uga offenses) offense and the hardest schedule in cfb:

64.7% comp 3,485 yards (7.8 y/a) 28 tds 12 ints 80.8 qbr (11th in country) 10-2 record. Seems pretty good to me - I think Dawson can help improve those numbers and he can end up in between 23/24 stats which is way better than I can realistically hope from Emory.

For reference, here are Dillon Gabriel’s 2024 number 1 heisman qb vote getting stats:

73% comp % 3,558 8.8 y/a 28 tds 6 ints 86.7 qbr. That is the Maxwell award winning top of the heap stats and a 12-0 record. Like @DMoney said, Ward spoiled us.

Georgia was the #1 team in the country to start the year. This loss of talent stuff is being sold way too hard. “28-12 is pretty good” He threw 9 TDs and 0 picks against Tennessee Tech and UMASS. Throw in another 5 TDs and no picks stat line against GT in a game that went to multiple OTs. And another 2 TD-0 INT day against Clemson. 16 TDs and no picks

So against the SEC which he’s being credited for going up against he threw 12 TD 12 INT while playing for GEORGIA. How could we possibly be not excited about adding that QB?

The Cam Ward spoiling us stuff is bull****. Beck was a lamb killer all year long.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Bringing in a turnover machine with an arm that needs surgery would be hilarity lol. I’m sorry. Spring ball matters especially in the portal era . We need all the snaps in the world for skill guys . If he had two function arms then it wouldn’t be as bad. Give him money and hope he recovers fully. Then hope he plays well well which is a crap shoot in itself. Where’s Ben Stiller from Along came Polly. We need some risk management in Coral Gables.

I actually agree with your downside analysis. He's a risk and maybe not a good one. But I also agree with D$.

If we had risk management in Coral Gables, we probably don't end up with Cam Ward.

Jayden Daniels exists.

Also a transfer quarterback that took a nosedive in his last year (10 TD, 10 INT at Arizona State in his last season) before transferring, balling, and becoming a Top 5 pick and Offensive Rookie of the Year candidate.

 

[TheU1984]

Is there a good QB in the country?

In the past week, I’ve heard Beck sucks, Ewers sucks, Milroe sucks, Nuss sucks. These are draft prospects and household names. They have faults but they are way better than what the average P4 team is throwing out there.

Ward and McCord.

Once you go Cam, you can’t go back.

 

[pacusmc]

If there is one thing this place is 100 percent awful at is evaluating talent.

However, if Carson beck after surgery is a real possibility from the staff; it seems like bargain hunting. This is starting to feel like they have a lot of confidence in Luke and prefer an insurance policy with beck and it’s a win win regardless who wins the job.

Again, if Carson is really the plan this staff has in place then it’s hedging risk. You can’t predict setbacks and he’s not gonna have enough snaps to get familiar with the receivers who (if we get them) will also be new enrollees.

The staff likely didn’t want to overpay for guys that didn’t significantly elevate the offense.
But I don’t see the moves being done at receiver to make Mendoza or Beck have a playoff caliber offense.

And I doubt that Beck was in the plan before he got hurt because that NIL would’ve been bigger than Mateer’s

This is not an aggressive qb search from the outside looking in.

Mendoza and all the others have really nice film and have produced on crappy teams just like cam did.

Anybody saying that Mendoza and others blatantly suck is just arguing.

 

[fincane]

who are you comparing beck to in order to not be sold on him? if you think emory is a better option then you're just trying to be contradictory and have an opposing view point

this was his down year -
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he would easily be the best QB not named cam ward to play for us in 2 decades

He threw 12 TD and 12 picks in SEC play. Nine TD thrown against UMASS and Tennessee Tech. Those numbers are phony as ****

 

[deucemd]

I call smokescreen on this one. Ain’t no way we should take a chance on a guy who hasn’t shown the mental fortitude coming off an UCL injury.

 

[407cane]

He threw 12 TD and 12 picks in SEC play. 9 TD thrown us against UMASS and Tennessee Tech. Those numbers are phony as ****

what's his record as a starter?

 

[flips]

If there is one thing this place is 100 percent awful at is evaluating talent.

However, if Carson beck after surgery is a real possibility from the staff; it seems like bargain hunting. This is starting to feel like they have a lot of confidence in Luke and prefer an insurance policy with beck and it’s a win win regardless who wins the job.

Again, if Carson is really the plan this staff has in place then it’s hedging risk. You can’t predict setbacks and he’s not gonna have enough snaps to get familiar with the receivers who (if we get them) will also be new enrollees.

Disagree. If they get Beck it's because they're not worried about his injury and he'll 100% be the starting QB next year.

How can they have confidence in Nickel? He's only played high school football. Played it really well, but it's still high school football.

 

[fincane]

what's his record as a starter?

What his record as a starter at Miami this year if he throws the same amout of picks as touchdowns in conference play? Thats the question that matters. Unless you're under some impression that we have the roster and coaching Georgia has to mask how bad he was.

 

[407cane]

What his record as a starter at Miami this year if he throws the same amout of picks as touchdowns in conference play? Thats the question that matters. Unless you're under some impression that we have the roster and coaching Georgia has to mask how bad he was.

well I actually watched Georgia play and I'll tell you, I bet they wish they had Dawson and mirabal this season

you're comparing to cam ward? Beck was highly regarded as a top ten pick entering this season. yeah he had a down year, but cam ward's play went exponentially up with Dawson, if Dawson can get beck to just even play like he did in 2023, we'd easily be favorites in the ACC again.

you're criticizing beck, so does that mean you think emory is better? because if we're comparing him to Patrick mahomes I get it, but when comparing him to realistic scenario's we might find ourselves in, he's option #1

 

[fincane]

well I actually watched Georgia play and I'll tell you, I bet they wish they had Dawson and mirabal this season

you're comparing to cam ward? Beck was highly regarded as a top ten pick entering this season. yeah he had a down year, but cam ward's play went exponentially up with Dawson, if Dawson can get beck to even play like he did in 2023, we'd easily be favorites in the ACC again.

you're criticizing beck, so does that mean you think emory is better? because if we're comparing him to Patrick mahomes I get it, but when comparing him to realistic scenario's we might find ourselves in, he's option #1

You actually watched Georgia. Cool. So did alot of other people. And Mike Bobo aint the reason Beck was throwing into double and triple coverage against Florida because they broke out a zone defense.

Cam Ward went up because he didn't have to run for his life and Miami is an upgrade talent wise from Washington State. Carson Beck will be taking a step down. He had the best infrastructure he could ever ask for and played poorly. You guys want to lean on the ACC being bad. Cam didn't even get a chance to win the ACC when Miami didn't play the other two best teams in the league during conference play.

Using Emory to bolster the argument is nonsense. If Miami can tamper with a freshman CB at Wisconsin, Miami can tamper with a younger QB someplace else who would likely be less expensive than Beck and leave more money to improve the roster around that QB.

 

[pacusmc]

Disagree. If they get Beck it's because they're not worried about his injury and he'll be the starting QB next year.

How can they have confidence in Nickel? He's only played high school football. Played it really well, but it's still high school football.

If you didn’t want to pay Mateer 4 million how much were you going to pay for a non injured Beck?
Now after the injury Beck is on the table? Come on man.
We have a ton of new players coming in and just like you can’t predict what Luke is gonna be, you can’t predict when Beck is gonna be 100 percent to practice or if he’ll be the same dude.
Also, how much will Uga counter if he says he’s gonna jump?
We don’t even know if he’s jumping in.

Based on performance and level of competition Luke is the best HS Qb we’ve had coming in a very long time.

Mateer didn’t even visit. Mendoza didn’t visit.

They feel confident or don’t want to overspend unless it’s elite of the elite.
But again, regardless of who we bring I don't see significant movement for receivers/ te’s either.

This not wanting to overpay is becoming a common theme.

Why are we acting like we know more than every other staff that is willing to do so.

 

[407cane]

If you didn’t want to pay Mateer 4 million how much were you going to pay for a non injured Beck?
Now after the injury Beck is on the table? Come on man.
We have a ton of new players coming in and just like you can’t predict what Luke is gonna be, you can’t predict when Beck is gonna be 100 percent to practice or if he’ll be the same dude.
Also, how much will Uga counter if he says he’s gonna jump?
We don’t even know if he’s jumping in.

Based on performance and level of competition Luke is the best HS Qb we’ve had coming in a very long time.

Mateer didn’t even visit. Mendoza didn’t visit.

They feel confident or don’t want to overspend unless it’s elite of the elite.
But again, regardless of who we bring I don't see significant movement for receivers/ te’s either.

This not wanting to overpay is becoming a common theme.

Why are we acting like we know more than every other staff that is willing to do so.

are you talking about the poster, or miami? who says we weren't willing to pay? Mateer to Oklahoma was a done deal a month ago

if anything he just used us to up the price to where he wanted to go

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Am I crazy for thinking Carson Beck might actually be cheaper than Mendoza or Ewers?

Ewers vs Beck
The two have had almost identical seasons the last couple of years. Both are proven winners who’ve played in huge games. They can be inconsistent, but their stats show they’re capable of putting up big numbers and carrying a team when they’re on. That said, both have played on stacked rosters, so there’s not a ton of hidden potential...what you see is what you get.

Mendoza vs Beck
Mendoza took a big step forward this year, but he’s been held back by the lack of talent around him and a rough offensive line. There are still a lot of question marks with him, but he’s got some tools that make him interesting. The upside is what drives the hype and the price tag. Teams love to pay for potential, and that’s easier to justify than spending big on someone like Beck, who’s more of a known quantity.

Other thing I would say about Beck is that when Kirby decided to go with Bobo as OC after Monken, the entire CFB world breathed a sigh of relief. In his first season with Bobo, Beck probably would have been drafted had he declared and might have been the 4th QB taken (before Rattler). Going into this season, most people had Beck as the #1 QB for the draft.

Had Kirby brought in a legit OC, it's not a stretch to imagine Beck would be producing at a higher level and we wouldn't be having this conversation at all because Beck would be prepping to become the #1 overall pick.

I agree ga offense hold him back and whoever they get next year too if they don’t hire a better oc

 

[bacane]

You actually watched Georgia. Cool. So did alot of other people. And Mike Bobo aint the reason Beck was throwing into double and triple coverage against Florida because they broke out a zone defense.

Cam Ward went up because he didn't have to run for his life and Miami is an upgrade talent wise from Washington State. Carson Beck will be taking a step down. He had the best infrastructure he could ever ask for and played poorly. You guys want to lean on the ACC being bad. Cam didn't even get a chance to win the ACC when Miami didn't play the other two best teams in the league during conference play.

Using Emory to bolster the argument is nonsense. If Miami can tamper with a freshman CB at Wisconsin, Miami can tamper with a younger QB someplace else who would likely be less expensive than Beck and leave more money to improve the roster around that QB.

Great, who is the younger QB to tamper with?

 

[edge]

I see alot of comparisons of Beck to DVD. Beck is a much better athlete that can make things happen with his legs. As far as the picks, I don’t know. I have a die hard Georgia buddy so I will ask him. But we all know DVD could not read a zone defense to save his life. Once defenses figured that out he was toast. Does Beck have that problem? I will find out.