buzz heading into saturday

[grover]

Idk bout that. He definitely could his RS JR or RS SR year... Lots of room to grow. If the mental is there, thats the most important thing really.

Agree. I think it would be crazy to write off Emory. Kid showed he could game manage and win big as a true freshman. An overwhelming majority of high P4 performers don't separate until their 3rd or 4th year, he has plenty of time to grow into a baller as the game slows down for him. And we may end up needing him if we can't land another top QB out of the portal.

That said, I still think we need to go all out in the portal for a QB who might be able to replace Cam. Just look at what a Heisman type QB has done for this program.

 

[TheReturn2023]

Agree. I think it would be crazy to write off Emory. Kid showed he could game manage and win big as a true freshman. An overwhelming majority of high P4 performers don't separate until their 3rd or 4th year, he has plenty of time to grow into a baller as the game slows down for him. And we may end up needing him if we can't land another top QB out of the portal.

That said, I still think we need to go all out in the portal for a QB who might be able to replace Cam. Just look at what a Heisman type QB has done for this program.

Emory has a very low ceiling- he is limited by what he can do physically. That being said, he’s the backup QB this year.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

I'm glad that the coaches are actually trying to train him to use the laces. Unfortunately he appears not to be doing it in games. I guess you must be living in la la land where laces don't help Qbs grip and control the ball. In this land of make-believe QBs just use laces and always grip the ball the same for no reason at all lol.

You literally responded to me talking explicitly about how often the qbs are using the laces in their throws, and saying Emory does it far too often. I really don't get how you can act like you aren't trying to pretend you're conflating the rate here. You're saying NFL qbs don't always throw with laces. I never said differently. Now you're trying to make a ridiculous point that it isn't 99.99% of the time they use laces when A) You know what the point I'm making is B) It's probably closer than saying they do it only like 80% of the time... and the fact remains Emory absolutely throws without laces more than just about any Qb you could watch right now.

Like you're saying you're not responding about the rate, but you're main point in this new response is that it isn't "Always" or 99% of the time lol. come on.

It's funny you say this with a handle like Calinative but there's no need for snide remarks, it's beneath both of us and i'm not going to engage in that type of dialogue.. You asked me to "find a single picture of Emory throwing with laces"; I gave you multiple clips.

Now you speculate that "the coaches are actually trying to train him to use the laces" when, in reality, you have no proof his grip is influence by anyone other than him.

Here's HS game film where you can see he uses the laces and doesn't ALWAYS throw without them.

Again, (1) ALWAYS is the original problem with your statement and it's tough hill to die on, so let's move forward and transition to (2) any objective proof his grip influences his play.

 

[JHallCanes]

Agree. I think it would be crazy to write off Emory. Kid showed he could game manage and win big as a true freshman. An overwhelming majority of high P4 performers don't separate until their 3rd or 4th year, he has plenty of time to grow into a baller as the game slows down for him. And we may end up needing him if we can't land another top QB out of the portal.

That said, I still think we need to go all out in the portal for a QB who might be able to replace Cam. Just look at what a Heisman type QB has done for this program.

I agree. Big fan of Emory and he’s already achieved more here than a lot of our fans expected back when he was recruited.

Not ready to write off Poff after 6 months or so either, just personally had hoped he would come in here and establish himself better. Those lower tiered players can be such a crapshoot

 

[Elmer Leghorn]

Emory's game play last year was admirable. It doesn't make up for his lack of physical ability, which is necessary. If he is our starter next year, then we aren't progressing as a football team.

 

[RVACane]

Don't you have another useless thread of aggregating someone else's work to start?

 

[RVACane]

It's funny you say this with a handle like Calinative but there's no need for snide remarks, it's beneath both of us and i'm not going to engage in that type of dialogue.. You asked me to "find a single picture of Emory throwing with laces"; I gave you multiple clips.

Now you speculate that "the coaches are actually trying to train him to use the laces" when, in reality, you have no proof his grip is influence by anyone other than him.

Here's HS game film where you can see he uses the laces and doesn't ALWAYS throw without them.

Again, (1) ALWAYS is the original problem with your statement and it's tough hill to die on, so let's move forward and transition to (2) any objective proof his grip influences his play.

You already know…

 

[JustAFanHTX]

Idk bout that. He definitely could his RS JR or RS SR year... Lots of room to grow. If the mental is there, thats the most important thing really.

If you’re banking on him starting as a RS senior or jr you’re essentially banking on the QB talent not improving around him just like the overall talent on the team. There’s already a kid coming in that’ll push him for snaps immediately. I can’t see the path unless Miami takes a step back

 

[Calinative]

If you’re banking on him starting as a RS senior or jr you’re essentially banking on the QB talent not improving around him just like the overall talent on the team. There’s already a kid coming in that’ll push him for snaps immediately. I can’t see the path unless Miami takes a step back

I'm sure the same could have been said about Ken Dorseys "Talent". It's not like Emory doesn't have the arm talent or size to be a QB at this level. Honestly the the questions are accuracy, decision making, and just overall the mental aspect of the game in general. If he is here for his RS JR/SR seasons, those are easily traits that can majorly improve over time. Sure he may not ever be a superstar, but you don't NEED that to be an elite team/offense. If Emory was just another Alabama Qb winning them game after game and some championships and leading a great offense, sure we'd be saying stuff like "he's not even that good"... but the team would still be dominating with him, so who give a ****.

Not to mention with NIL going crazy, he's likely be on the cheaper side, and allow us to spend even more around him.

 

[Calinative]

It's funny you say this with a handle like Calinative but there's no need for snide remarks, it's beneath both of us and i'm not going to engage in that type of dialogue.. You asked me to "find a single picture of Emory throwing with laces"; I gave you multiple clips.

Now you speculate that "the coaches are actually trying to train him to use the laces" when, in reality, you have no proof his grip is influence by anyone other than him.

Here's HS game film where you can see he uses the laces and doesn't ALWAYS throw without them.

Again, (1) ALWAYS is the original problem with your statement and it's tough hill to die on, so let's move forward and transition to (2) any objective proof his grip influences his play.

Bruh Idgaf about what he did in HS. I care about what he is doing now. Same reason I didn't watch the E11 clips. The fact is here he really isn't doing it in the actual games. Idk what so hard to understand about this.

He threw plenty of balls last year with poor accuracy, that I can absolutely say him CHOOSING not gripping the laces on the majority of his passes isn't helping him in any way. As I have said many times now, this isn't about him not gripping the laces sometimes especially on like an rpo or 1 to max 3 step drop type of pass.

This really isn't complicated, you're making it complicated. Emory is the only qb who throws the majority of his passes not touching a single lace. If you can't see why that's not a good quality I really don't know what to tell you. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel here on how a QB should be passing a football....smh

 

[TwentySix]

I'm sure the same could have been said about Ken Dorseys "Talent".

**** yeah, there it is.

 

[JustAFanHTX]

I'm sure the same could have been said about Ken Dorseys "Talent". It's not like Emory doesn't have the arm talent or size to be a QB at this level. Honestly the the questions are accuracy, decision making, and just overall the mental aspect of the game in general. If he is here for his RS JR/SR seasons, those are easily traits that can majorly improve over time. Sure he may not ever be a superstar, but you don't NEED that to be an elite team/offense. If Emory was just another Alabama Qb winning them game after game and some championships and leading a great offense, sure we'd be saying stuff like "he's not even that good"... but the team would still be dominating with him, so who give a ****.

Not to mention with NIL going crazy, he's likely be on the cheaper side, and allow us to spend even more around him.

I hate the Ken Dorsey argument. Lol the greatest team in college football history man. Let’s be serious. I like the Bama QB argument more but even then they had a monopoly on the talent at the skill positions. As time goes by we’ll see

 

[JHallCanes]

I'm sure the same could have been said about Ken Dorseys "Talent". It's not like Emory doesn't have the arm talent or size to be a QB at this level. Honestly the the questions are accuracy, decision making, and just overall the mental aspect of the game in general. If he is here for his RS JR/SR seasons, those are easily traits that can majorly improve over time. Sure he may not ever be a superstar, but you don't NEED that to be an elite team/offense. If Emory was just another Alabama Qb winning them game after game and some championships and leading a great offense, sure we'd be saying stuff like "he's not even that good"... but the team would still be dominating with him, so who give a ****.

Not to mention with NIL going crazy, he's likely be on the cheaper side, and allow us to spend even more around him.

Ken Dorsey is a bad comparison though I don’t disagree with your general point

Kenny was a bigtime recruit and his high school highlights are him dropping dimes non stop from every angle

 

[Calinative]

I hate the Ken Dorsey argument. Lol the greatest team in college football history man. Let’s be serious. I like the Bama QB argument more but even then they had a monopoly on the talent at the skill positions. As time goes by we’ll see

Well we're clearly relatively already there regarding talent as far as the ACC is concerned. Nationally we are on that path, to at least being a consistent top 5 talent team in the country.

Look I'd like a superstar Qb as much as you. I'm just saying Emory absolutely has enough arm/physical talent to be a championship winning qb. I didn't watch him and think this dude doesn't have arm strength. Again if he can just be accurate and a competent decision maker who is the smartest guy on the field, he can win us a championship. I'm not "counting on it", I'm just saying you develop him, and don't be surprised if when he is 20-21 he's worked himself into being that type of guy. In college football there are a **** load of examples of this happening for guys that weren't considered elite talents.

Plus Emory shows some great things as a true freshman that didn't have to do with actually throwing the ball - all Of which I'd say are pretty important aspects of being a QB. He seems like a good leader, determined, a hard worker, and like he'll just do whatever it takes. I think the team would absolutely ride for him when he's a jr/sr...

 

[Caneadian]

 

[NorthEastCane]

If you’re banking on him starting as a RS senior or jr you’re essentially banking on the QB talent not improving around him just like the overall talent on the team. There’s already a kid coming in that’ll push him for snaps immediately. I can’t see the path unless Miami takes a step back

If he’s still here as a jr or sr, he’s probably turned the corner and pretty good. Otherwise, he’d portal out.

 

[TwentySix]

I hate the Ken Dorsey argument. Lol the greatest team in college football history man. Let’s be serious. I like the Bama QB argument more but even then they had a monopoly on the talent at the skill positions. As time goes by we’ll see

I’ve hated on the Bama QBs as much as anyone in terms of their nfl upside but it’s also disingenuous to compare Emory to them. McElroy led an undefeated state title team as a senior in Texas and iirc threw for like 55 touchdowns and set records. McCarron was a top 100 prospect, all American and also won a state title.

I swear I’m not just trying to bash the kid but it’s hilarious how predictable this fanbase is to bring up Dorsey. Emory is not Dorsey. Anyone who watched him in high school knows this. They just both happen to be white and not incredible athletes. If someone watches Emory and doesn’t have concerns about his arm strength I really wonder what it would take for that to be a concern in their view. The goal at the most important position in football should not be “Find someone who, if the rest of the team is full of future hall-of-famers, can be safe enough where they don’t lose us games.”

 

[PaulBufano]

Emory is awful; are people really trying to claim that he's a serviceable QB here?

 

[JHallCanes]

If he’s still here as a jr or sr, he’s probably turned the corner and pretty good. Otherwise, he’d portal out.

Could be right. Still, this day and age with QBs bouncing left and right, I think he’s a really good option to have on the depth chart

Not sure how the portal plays out and what teams can realistically accomplish with the depth chart. Uncharted territory

 

[NorthEastCane]

Could be right. Still, this day and age with QBs bouncing left and right, I think he’s a really good option to have on the depth chart

I agree. People need to give him a chance to develop. They expect instant results. Leading us back from a 10 point 4th deficit against a team that’s owned us since CJ Spiller isn’t enough to buy him some time.

Not sure how the portal plays out and what teams can realistically accomplish with the depth chart. Uncharted territory