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Bunker Mentality said:
There's nothing"blatantly false"about my post; it wasn't responsive to how often they throw with or without the laces, just the fact that many QBs do.

You said the screenshot was "ridiculous" based on his grip, but other than that image you provided no objective data or performance critique to support your belief that (1) he ALWAYS throws that way or (2) gripping the ball without laces significantly impacts his play. Did you even watch the clip?

You also say "there is a reason 99.999% of QBs are using laces"; but is that even a real data-point or did you make it up? And do 99.999% of QBs throw with laces 100% of the time?

You speak with such certainty using "ALWAYS" & 99.999% but really have no objective data to support either assertion.

How about watch the clip and then use it to illustrate how Emory's grip impacts his play.
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It’s pretty simple, go watch the tape lol. You didn’t provide an ounce of evidence and were 1000% conflating CAN or time to time with something they they typically do. When I already said it’s fine on quick timing plays, or if you just have to get the ball out. But it shouldn’t be the preference.

So yeah what you said is just untrue. Get any random picture of Brady/Mahomes/Jackson - or any qb, and it’s basically going to be pretty much identical to how many fingers they normally have touching laces and how high their index finger is to the nose.

How about you find a single picture of Emory throwing with laces.

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That’s just from googling images of Emory throwing. Oh and btw you might be thinking - hey one of those pics he is gripping the laces! … lol pretty sure that is a picture of TVD randomly snuck in there…just proving my point

Google any other qb throwing and they will all be touching laces. Maybe you will see 1 photo of QBs throwing without laces. And that person is more likely to be Mahomes than a Brady/Manning/Breez/etc. lol
 

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calinative umstudent said:
It’s pretty simple, go watch the tape lol. You didn’t provide an ounce of evidence and were 1000% conflating CAN or time to time with something they they typically do. When I already said it’s fine on quick timing plays, or if you just have to get the ball out. But it shouldn’t be the preference.

So yeah what you said is just untrue. Get any random picture of Brady/Mahomes/Jackson - or any qb, and it’s basically going to be pretty much identical to how many fingers they normally have touching laces and how high their index finger is to the nose.

How about you find a single picture of Emory throwing with laces.

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That’s just from googling images of Emory throwing. Oh and btw you might be thinking - hey one of those pics he is gripping the laces! … lol pretty sure that is a picture of TVD randomly snuck in there…just proving my point

Google any other qb throwing and they will all be touching laces. Maybe you will see 1 photo of QBs throwing without laces. And that person is more likely to be Mahomes than a Brady/Manning/Breez/etc. lol
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nah, I said what I said.

I'll do better than a picture, here is film that suggests otherwise. "Always" 7 99.999% are nonsensical hills to die on, but let's move forward and you can tell me how it impacts his play.



 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
I can’t wait for this to be thrown back into my face, but I genuinely don’t see how this offense fails. I really don’t. Obviously injuries aside. We are either elite or really good at literally every single spot, and there’s depth. I guess if we’re going to completely nitpick, I’d like to see Carpenter in a game setting to make sure he can handle the responsibility and physicality? But other than that, Pat Nix could coordinate this offense to Top 20 in the country.
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If they roll Carpenter out there to start 8/31 it suggests he held up in practice, no?
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I can’t wait for this to be thrown back into my face, but I genuinely don’t see how this offense fails. I really don’t. Obviously injuries aside. We are either elite or really good at literally every single spot, and there’s depth. I guess if we’re going to completely nitpick, I’d like to see Carpenter in a game setting to make sure he can handle the responsibility and physicality? But other than that, Pat Nix could coordinate this offense to Top 20 in the country.
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Carpenter will be fine.
 
Bunker Mentality said:
If they roll Carpenter out there to start 8/31 it suggests he held up in practice, no?
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Yeah for sure. I’m just talking about any unknowns. Usually, year to year in this sport, there are unknowns. You recruit and develop, but it changes rapidly.

But I KNOW Cameron Ward is really good.

I KNOW Damien Martinez is really good.

The receivers, Arroyo, Mauigoa, Coop, Rivers. These are all known commodities. I’ve seen it. They’ve done it at a really high level. And the reason I’m having a very tough time keeping pants on is, there are way more of these and very few unknowns. So if I’m just going out of my way to be skeptical, what can I point to? Well, Carpenter possibly struggling? But again, there’s no reason to suggest he will. I just haven’t seen it with my own eyes. I’ve seen literally the whole rest of the offense be really, really good. Barring some unexpected ****, like injury, I’m struggling to see how this many proven studs fall flat on their faces. I think this is gonna be a really fun year on offense.
 
Cribby said:
Or motion a wr in tight , our formations set us up for failure against loaded boxes. Being condensed that much makes it easier to disguise the D. Hopefully we get away from that this year. I have my eye on Dawson this season , it’s sink or swim for that guy and there’s no excuses.
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I agree with all this 100%. However, Mario has openly spoken about how much influence he wants the OL coach to have in the offense (I’ve literally never heard another coach say this). Something tells me the condensed formations aren’t coming from the air raid guy.
 
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We still have the same day game coaches and except for the defense I have no confidence in Dawson and MARIO. We shall see but neither one have the killer mentality and especially Mario the Baker!
 
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I want to see drastic improvement in the red zone on offense. We probably win 2 more games last year if we just put the ball in the end zone… we were 65th nationally in red zone %. All the yards are great, but we gotta score
 
Jedi Master Cane said:
Cliffs notes? Any injuries?
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-The offense, especially the O-line, struck back after the defense got the better of practice this week.
-Cam is him.
-Reese is not.
-First play of scrimmage was a 60+ yard TD run by Martinez.
-The WR are good.
-OJ F and Cole Mc can play (this year).
-Markeith and "Zay" (Patterson?) had pickoffs.
 
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hoops156 said:
that leaves you extremely limited. his arm strength was not good at all and his accuracy wasnt great in the games he played. he just seems limited. i dont prefer the harbaugh method bc it also took them knowing other teams gameplans to win. i just dont think emory is gonna start here tbh
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Emory Williams will never be a starter here. Nothing against the kid but I never left that take. He’s a superb backup. Push the room
 
TriStarCane said:
I want to see drastic improvement in the red zone on offense. We probably win 2 more games last year if we just put the ball in the end zone… we were 65th nationally in red zone %. All the yards are great, but we gotta score
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They always seemed to find the shortest WR’s on the team and try to throw fades to them.Never could figure that out..
 
Bunker Mentality said:
nah, I said what I said.

I'll do better than a picture, here is film that suggests otherwise. "Always" 7 99.999% are nonsensical hills to die on, but let's move forward and you can tell me how it impacts his play.



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I'm glad that the coaches are actually trying to train him to use the laces. Unfortunately he appears not to be doing it in games. I guess you must be living in la la land where laces don't help Qbs grip and control the ball. In this land of make-believe QBs just use laces and always grip the ball the same for no reason at all lol.

You literally responded to me talking explicitly about how often the qbs are using the laces in their throws, and saying Emory does it far too often. I really don't get how you can act like you aren't trying to pretend you're conflating the rate here. You're saying NFL qbs don't always throw with laces. I never said differently. Now you're trying to make a ridiculous point that it isn't 99.99% of the time they use laces when A) You know what the point I'm making is B) It's probably closer than saying they do it only like 80% of the time... and the fact remains Emory absolutely throws without laces more than just about any Qb you could watch right now.

Like you're saying you're not responding about the rate, but you're main point in this new response is that it isn't "Always" or 99% of the time lol. come on.
 
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