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Ibis Wingz said:
How many of you guys have seen any of our signees or PS2 or Campbell in person? Guys are ing and moaning about kids they've never seen or watch play in person. We got some savages for DBs and i challenge anyone to tell me the difference (aside from recruiting rankings) between PS2, Campbell, Frierson, Hall and Al Blades, Jr. I can't wait to read the responses.
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and there were tards on here claiming Yearby was better than Cook back in the day too, so there's that. Unfortunately for us, many understood that Cook would anally penetrate us for years to come and it came to fruition.
 
Ibis Wingz said:
How many of you guys have seen any of our signees or PS2 or Campbell in person? Guys are ing and moaning about kids they've never seen or watch play in person. We got some savages for DBs and i challenge anyone to tell me the difference (aside from recruiting rankings) between PS2, Campbell, Frierson, Hall and Al Blades, Jr. I can't wait to read the responses.
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Campbell is one of the better CB prospects I've seen in a bit. While some of the other guys have elite length (Frierson), they lack in other attributes (straight line speed). While ABJr has elite change of direction, Campbell isn't too far behind despite having elite length. While Ivey also has elite length like Campbell, TC has the make up speed to haunt WRs.

It's not a knock on the guys we do have to say we missed on an elite prospect in TC. He's pretty much the only dude I care about in what we missed.
 
LuCane said:
D$'s my brother from another mother, but I'm not with this one at all. To be where we want to be, we need to, at some point, land a kid like TC. What better time than the guy who's coached him since he was a kid? I don't think any amount of optimism resolves that question.
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the conclusion that Rumph must be fired because he did not land TC or PS2 assumes that we did not land them only because of Rumph. This assumption is false, especially considering the target is an 18 year kid who is very likely a prima donna being courted by the best of the best.
 
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Big fan of the narrative that producing a 5th round nickel corner and a 7th round rotational safety is the hat that yall will hang your hat on right now as Mike Rumph's achievement to prop up the fact he's a "good positional coach"

wtf is wrong with yall?

You comparing that to teams that have produced like 7 and 6 FIRST ROUND DBs in the past decade, nevermind the three handfuls of pro DBs those teams have produced in the same decade+.

Ya'll will tout some ridiculous **** to justify the buffoonery and inadequacies of Miami, no matter who is in charge. Coker, Shannon, Golden...yall will defend anything...and I like Richt, but ya'll make it very difficult when you can't even be honest with the situation.
 
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rsa coral gables said:
LuCane said:
D$'s my brother from another mother, but I'm not with this one at all. To be where we want to be, we need to, at some point, land a kid like TC. What better time than the guy who's coached him since he was a kid? I don't think any amount of optimism resolves that question.
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the conclusion that Rumph must be fired because he did not land TC or PS2 assumes that we did not land them only because of Rumph. This assumption is false, especially considering the target is an 18 year kid who is very likely a prima donna being courted by the best of the best.
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The assumption that I'm calling for Rumph to be fired is false. I don't know enough about his responsibilities. Failing to land TC is a big miss. Slice that up any way you'd like.
 
I can understand losing guys to Bama and to a lesser extent UGA, but losing multiple guys to FSU is simply inexcusable.
 
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Big Sky Cane said:
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Jassid82 said:
The only thing with Rumph is I cant understand how hes such a good coach (this isnt debatable) but cant recruit worth a ****. I thought it would be the opposite when we hired him. This guy really is horrible at recruiting. But its not like you can fire him..he can coach his a$$ off. What he has done with MJ, Bandy and did with MYoung is impressive. Two 3* and a 4* and he has made them big time players.
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Compare rumph college resume too smart or saban.
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Compare the first two years of Rumph's college resume to to the first two years of Saban's or Smart's resumes.

Seriously, are people on this board THAT DUMB?

Saban's first two years as a Defensive Backs coach were at West Virginia. In 1978 and 1979. Who are the great defensive backs that he "recruited" and "developed" at West Virginia?

Smart's first two years as a Defensive Backs coach/Defensive Coordinator were at Valdosta State. In 2000 and 2001. Who are the great defensive backs that he "recruited" and "developed" at Valdosta State?

Look, if people want to criticize Richt for giving Rumph his first college job, that's up to you.

But to compare apples to oranges by putting Rumph's "resume" next to that of Saban and Smart is just idiotic.

Saban has been coaching SINCE THE SEVENTIES. Smart started coaching IN THE NINETIES. Rumph's resume will be just as good, if not better, with a few more years, but if a 17 year old kid can't figure out the difference between a young and upcoming coach with only 2 years of college coaching (but who was a first round draft choice) and guys with decades of coaching experience, then f*** them.

If Campbell and Surtain want to go with more experienced coaches, that is up to them. But for our fans to unload their bowels on Rumph is just ridiculous. Nobody said that Rumph was a great recruiter, BECAUSE HE NEVER DID IT BEFORE HE WAS HIRED. But he is doing a great job of teaching and developing our DBs, and he will only get better with the better talent of the 2018 class.
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and that was my complaint from day 1 and I was called a "basher" at the time. The fact that makes this stuff so hard to swallow is it was so ******* predictable. I mean, mind numbingly easy to predict. Well, with everyone but Richt apparently.

UM isn't (or shouldn't be) a training ground for coaches. Rumph should have put in the time grinding out in the lower levels just like 99% of other successful college coaches....but no, Richt hires him to secure the AH kids and he fails epic. Would be funny if it weren't so predictable.
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But it's the idiot posters who keep moving the goalposts.

First, Rumph wasn't hired to get Surtain. Nobody ever thought we were going to get Surtain, and we made it a ballgame anyhow.

Second, Rumph wasn't hired to get Chatfield. We only recently offered Chatfield.

Third, we got Nesta.

Now you come down to Campbell. Even if you want to argue that the SOLE REASON why Rumph was hired was to secure Campbell, then think about what you are saying. Banda is a recruiter. So, Richt chose to abandon any quality coaching/development at the defensive back position group to...hire a full-time recruiter and a one-player recruiter?

That's just insane.

As for Rumph "grinding it out" elsewhere, that is one possible route. Yet some people on here make Don Soldinger out to be the second coming of Christ, and UM hired him straight out of high school. And there are guys running around proposing that we hire Ray Lewis and Ed Reed.

Look, Rumph is doing a good job of development. He's done it for 2 years. If the issue that kids are having is that "Rumph has only coached for 2 years", that will change very soon. But if the issue is the amorphous catch-all excuse of "recruiting", then why blame Rumph when we obviously have a "guy who primarily recruits" sitting right next to him?

Richt knew what he was doing. He hired a very good position coach and paired him with a very good recruiter. But people want to point fingers at the development guy and ignore the recruiting guy.

We missed on Campbell. That is bad. We were never counting on Surtain and got right up to the "hat on table" level. We already have great talent committed to us for 2019 and 2020, and if UM wins 10 games again and Rumph-coached players perform well again, then this issue will move to the past.

I'm not thrilled with the overall outcome, but firing Rumph is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being the answer.
 
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whats funny is that I know my georgia fan buddy is gonna talk about the 5 star they just picked up next time I see him.....he won't even know his name lmao.
 
jar4989 said:
You're not getting any of these 5-star guys buy turning around Mike Jackson from attrition candidate to contributor or Colbert from desk job to NFL job. Saban is taking this kids in and pumping them out as 1st round picks. It's entirely different levels. Chess not checkers man.
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You're missing the point.

Name ANYTHING that Saban or Smart did in their first two years of coaching that comes anywhere close to what Rumph has done.

Otherwise, if you want to compare apples-to-apples, we are going to have to replace Rumph with a DB coach who has coached for decades and won multiple national championships.

I'll wait for you to compile a list of DB coaches who meet those criteria.
 
KrazyCane said:
Has nothing to do with fckn Rumph... South Florida dbs are fckn mental. We couldn't recruit American Heritage when James Coley was here but now Coley is an ACE at UGA?? No its clear that it doesn't matter who is a recruiter at these SEC schools.. these simple minded sfl dbs are just some groupies they gon jump on that d**k regardless.

We always worried about who the best of the best recruiter is and we need to have him... that isn't the issue, it's south Florida dbs that are the issue.
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We couldn’t recruit AH because Rumph was there running his mouth and sending kids to UGA
 
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