Business decisions

[Dwinstitles]

Hartley produced a first round TE? LOL. You don't even believe this stuff.

What round did Njoku get drafted? Who was his coach?

Now, do I think Harley was the reason? **** no. But it's an obvious sell.

All true. Most important word in your post ...”sell”. Hartley can do it, Rumph can’t.

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[SayWhat]

Simple, Bama, UGA, Clemson, OSU and others are still perceived as the better programs.

We are making our way back, but have to get over a hurdle or two.

Our end of the season, that certainly didn't help. I think had we won the Pitt game as well as our bowl game, we would've had a better shot at some of the AH guys.

Watch the defense this year. If anyone thinks Diaz is more competent than whoever at OSU, Bama, Clemson, UGA....let me know. Diaz will have to prove he's not a busy this year and his job got a lot harder without Surtain and Campbell.

They're not PERCIEVED as better programs.... they ARE better programs.

They win more and recruit better. We did nothing today to close that gap.

I agree with them being better programs. All you have to do is look at the **** show at the end of the season minus Clemson who would've won no matter who was coaching us.

The problem with putting the blame on Rumph to me is this. You could put any coach in his position and it wouldn't matter. We are still Miami who is fighting an uphill battle against the powerhouse programs. Until we prove we belong with them, we are at a disadvantage in a head to head battle.

Surtain and Campbell weren't picking Bama and UGA's DB coaches over us, they were picking Saban and Smart. The way we got mauled by Clemson to see them dismantled in the BCS, that didn't help either.

Sucks, but that's the premise of this thread. They made a business decision and while we might not like it, they made the right one.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

D$, so what business decision was made last year by all those guys that signed with a 5 loss uga team?

Campell wouldn't have signed with them if they had another bad year.

according to who, you ? Who was he gonna sign with then

Really? Seriously? He wanted to sign with UM. If UGa goes 8-5 last year, he signs with UM.

 

[Meat]

He coached Corn Elder from an inconsistent athlete to an elite football player. He coached Adrian Colbert from a future desk job to a rising star NFL DB. He coached Mike Jackson from an attrition candidate into a preseason All-Conference player. Losing those kids was a failure. A big one. But you get fired for bad results on the field. That hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it will with studs like Gilbert Frierson, Al Blades and DJ Ivey

Elder was already really good before he got here. I don't think he improved drastically in his one year under RumF. Colbert did well. Could be his skillset combined with a change of scenery/scheme or it could be coaching.. Who knows?! Mike Jackson might have just been undervalued by Canes fan. I don't put too much stock into a select player here or there improving.. especially when others are regressing. You can't just take the good and throw out the bad or vice versa. His resume is suspect at best.

Elder was not really good before this staff got here.

Elder was a 4* all American. He was Mr. Tennessee in football. Corn Elder was a stud recruit coming out of high school.... the kind Rumph would whiff on today.

Where is our Corn Elder today? All we landed was scrub-*** Nigel Bethel.

That's what you guys are missing.

 

[L A M P]

In the last 2 years, there have been 6 kids from Dade and Broward who were ranked in the top 10 in the state. We signed zero. If you include 2016 as well, even though this staff only had 2 months, there were another 3. So in in the last 3 years, there have been a total of 9 kids from Dade & Broward ranked in the top 10 in the state and we signed 0.

In the last 2 years, we have signed 1 kid ranked in the top 10 in the state. If you include 2016, we still only signed 1 kid ranked in the top 10 in the state of Florida over a 3 year period.

So, over 3 years we have not signed a single kid from Dade or Broward who was ranked in the top in the state. And we have signed 1 kid ranked in the top 10 of the state over the same period of time.

Just pointing out facts, nothing else. But, if you want to compete with the BAMA's, CLEMSON's and now UGA's of the world, the first step you need to take is lock down ELITE talent in your very own backyard in and in your state. Yeah, a number 5 or 6 recruiting class is great, but you still cannot whiff on this amount of talent in your own backyard and state and ever expect to compete with the big boys. Especially considering that this staff is not elite.

Post. Of. The. Year.

 

[apfenny3]

He coached Corn Elder from an inconsistent athlete to an elite football player. He coached Adrian Colbert from a future desk job to a rising star NFL DB. He coached Mike Jackson from an attrition candidate into a preseason All-Conference player. Losing those kids was a failure. A big one. But you get fired for bad results on the field. That hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it will with studs like Gilbert Frierson, Al Blades and DJ Ivey

Elder was already really good before he got here. I don't think he improved drastically in his one year under RumF. Colbert did well. Could be his skillset combined with a change of scenery/scheme or it could be coaching.. Who knows?! Mike Jackson might have just been undervalued by Canes fan. I don't put too much stock into a select player here or there improving.. especially when others are regressing. You can't just take the good and throw out the bad or vice versa. His resume is suspect at best.

Elder was not really good before this staff got here.

Corn was good before but inconsistent, he was much improved under Rumph. Colbert looked like he belonged at a D3 school and is now starting in the NFL. Young and Jackson both looked like walk ons when they showed up and now Jackson is the #1 rated CB for the NFL draft next year and Young was top 10 for his class before he got hurt

 

[BoxingRobes]

Perhaps, there needs to be moratorium on the forum civil war that happens every year that culminates on signing day. Would be a good business decision.

The rah rah crowd always goes so hard in the paint at the cynics leading up to signing day and its been one ugly blood bath come NSD.

 

[rekofred]

Failure

 

[CaneLos]

D$'s my brother from another mother, but I'm not with this one at all. To be where we want to be, we need to, at some point, land a kid like TC. What better time than the guy who's coached him since he was a kid? I don't think any amount of optimism resolves that question.

Ya sabes, bro. We're just going to continue to excuse away these failures. You cant let elite kids from your own backyard leave to play for another school especially when their old HS coach who they've known since they were in Pop Warner would be their position coach in college.

 

[L A M P]

If UGa goes 8-5 last year, he signs with ____.

Alabama. Ohio State. Clemson. Etc.

.. cuz it wouldn't be Miami

 

[Mico Jones]

He coached Corn Elder from an inconsistent athlete to an elite football player. He coached Adrian Colbert from a future desk job to a rising star NFL DB. He coached Mike Jackson from an attrition candidate into a preseason All-Conference player. Losing those kids was a failure. A big one. But you get fired for bad results on the field. That hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it will with studs like Gilbert Frierson, Al Blades and DJ Ivey

Elder was already really good before he got here. I don't think he improved drastically in his one year under RumF. Colbert did well. Could be his skillset combined with a change of scenery/scheme or it could be coaching.. Who knows?! Mike Jackson might have just been undervalued by Canes fan. I don't put too much stock into a select player here or there improving.. especially when others are regressing. You can't just take the good and throw out the bad or vice versa. His resume is suspect at best.

Elder was not really good before this staff got here.

He was playing on the No D ofrio sit back and watch defense and wasn't getting any QB pressure to help him. That has much more to do with it than anything Rumph did.

 

[holdnorth]

I expect to see people calling for Rumph's head. I don't agree at all, but I get the reaction. Losing those two monsters from his old school was a failure. I also expect to see the usual suspects complaining about South Florida kids choosing to leave town.

Here is the hard truth. If your son is an engineering prodigy, you can't blame him for going to MIT. Alabama and Georgia were in the championship. Saban is the best DB coach alive. These kids want to win championships and go pro.

We need to become the business decision for DBs. That takes time. Nesta Silvera made his own business decision to sign with the best defensive line coach in America. Brevin Jordan and Will Mallory made business decisions to sign with TEU. Jarren Williams made a business decision to sign with a proven developer of QBs.

This is a big-time class. Best offensive class in the nation and very good defensive group. Nesta was the guy keeping me up at night. Him and Ezzard are nasty human beings. Jordan Miller was a gift from the nose tackle Gods. Bethel will be next development project for Rumph. Mike Jackson and Adrian Colbert turned out pretty well.

Richt is one of the most proven recruiters in America, along with Saban and Urban. This class is another feather in his cap.

Reads like an obituary. Let’s celebrate life and try to forget we are surrounded by death.

 

[Cans4life]

Either you can sell or you can't. It's clear that Rumph, and to a lesser extent Kool, cannot sell. The difference being Kool is an elite teacher.

Rumph needs to be shown the door. I'll take a guy who can recruit monsters over an above average corner coach.

 

[LuCane]

He coached Corn Elder from an inconsistent athlete to an elite football player. He coached Adrian Colbert from a future desk job to a rising star NFL DB. He coached Mike Jackson from an attrition candidate into a preseason All-Conference player. Losing those kids was a failure. A big one. But you get fired for bad results on the field. That hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it will with studs like Gilbert Frierson, Al Blades and DJ Ivey

Elder was already really good before he got here. I don't think he improved drastically in his one year under RumF. Colbert did well. Could be his skillset combined with a change of scenery/scheme or it could be coaching.. Who knows?! Mike Jackson might have just been undervalued by Canes fan. I don't put too much stock into a select player here or there improving.. especially when others are regressing. You can't just take the good and throw out the bad or vice versa. His resume is suspect at best.

Elder was not really good before this staff got here.

Corn was good before but inconsistent, he was much improved under Rumph. Colbert looked like he belonged at a D3 school and is now starting in the NFL. Young and Jackson both looked like walk ons when they showed up and now Jackson is the #1 rated CB for the NFL draft next year and Young was top 10 for his class before he got hurt

Much of that is attributed to playing in a different scheme. I don't have all their tape, but it's highly unlikely Colbert got here and had his entire technique overhauled. Corn's technique looked about the same; just used differently. Jackson is their best sell right now. Young looked the same, technique-wise, from the first time I watched him practice as a true Frosh. I'm not taking a shot at Rumph's position coaching because I don't know enough about his responsibilities. I'm merely stating what a player "looks" like often has a lot to do with the scheme they're asked to play in.

 

[Tee3000]

I expect to see people calling for Rumph's head. I don't agree at all, but I get the reaction. Losing those two monsters from his old school was a failure. I also expect to see the usual suspects complaining about South Florida kids choosing to leave town.

Here is the hard truth. If your son is an engineering prodigy, you can't blame him for going to MIT. Alabama and Georgia were in the championship. Saban is the best DB coach alive. These kids want to win championships and go pro.

Drink some hard lemonade for your hard truth.

Saban hasn't coached the DB's in YEARS and has had a top flight DB coach there every year.

There is no excuse for missing those 2 DB's.

 

[deleted3746]

How many S FL CBs have told Rumph to fvck his own face since he was hired?

 

[Meat]

Simple, Bama, UGA, Clemson, OSU and others are still perceived as the better programs.

We are making our way back, but have to get over a hurdle or two.

Our end of the season, that certainly didn't help. I think had we won the Pitt game as well as our bowl game, we would've had a better shot at some of the AH guys.

Watch the defense this year. If anyone thinks Diaz is more competent than whoever at OSU, Bama, Clemson, UGA....let me know. Diaz will have to prove he's not a busy this year and his job got a lot harder without Surtain and Campbell.

They're not PERCIEVED as better programs.... they ARE better programs.

They win more and recruit better. We did nothing today to close that gap.

I agree with them being better programs. All you have to do is look at the **** show at the end of the season minus Clemson who would've won no matter who was coaching us.

The problem with putting the blame on Rumph to me is this. You could put any coach in his position and it wouldn't matter. We are still Miami who is fighting an uphill battle against the powerhouse programs. Until we prove we belong with them, we are at a disadvantage in a head to head battle.

Surtain and Campbell weren't picking Bama and UGA's DB coaches over us, they were picking Saban and Smart. The way we got mauled by Clemson to see them dismantled in the BCS, that didn't help either.

Sucks, but that's the premise of this thread. They made a business decision and while we might not like it, they made the right one.

This thread is garbage because it offers no solutions at all. It gives a half-*** explanation for why we whiffed, and gives no solutions for how to fix it.

So we're supposed to keep Rumph because we're gonna whiff on our top targets at CB no matter what? Just accept being mediocre? I call bs on that.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

The only thing with Rumph is I cant understand how hes such a good coach (this isnt debatable) but cant recruit worth a ****. I thought it would be the opposite when we hired him. This guy really is horrible at recruiting. But its not like you can fire him..he can coach his a$$ off. What he has done with MJ, Bandy and did with MYoung is impressive. Two 3* and a 4* and he has made them big time players.

Compare rumph college resume too smart or saban.

Compare the first two years of Rumph's college resume to to the first two years of Saban's or Smart's resumes.

Seriously, are people on this board THAT DUMB?

Saban's first two years as a Defensive Backs coach were at West Virginia. In 1978 and 1979. Who are the great defensive backs that he "recruited" and "developed" at West Virginia?

Smart's first two years as a Defensive Backs coach/Defensive Coordinator were at Valdosta State. In 2000 and 2001. Who are the great defensive backs that he "recruited" and "developed" at Valdosta State?

Look, if people want to criticize Richt for giving Rumph his first college job, that's up to you.

But to compare apples to oranges by putting Rumph's "resume" next to that of Saban and Smart is just idiotic.

Saban has been coaching SINCE THE SEVENTIES. Smart started coaching IN THE NINETIES. Rumph's resume will be just as good, if not better, with a few more years, but if a 17 year old kid can't figure out the difference between a young and upcoming coach with only 2 years of college coaching (but who was a first round draft choice) and guys with decades of coaching experience, then f*** them.

If Campbell and Surtain want to go with more experienced coaches, that is up to them. But for our fans to unload their bowels on Rumph is just ridiculous. Nobody said that Rumph was a great recruiter, BECAUSE HE NEVER DID IT BEFORE HE WAS HIRED. But he is doing a great job of teaching and developing our DBs, and he will only get better with the better talent of the 2018 class.

Recruits aren't researching and studying that stuff. They're going with the guys they like the best. UGA destroyed us on Campbell. Absolutely killed us.

You and I are not really disagreeing. I am addressing people who seem to think that it is the resume of the coach. If UGa's recruiting pitch won out on other issues, then we have a different conversation.

If UGa says "UGa made the Final Four, Miami didn't", that's a fact, and why are we blaming Rumph?

If UGa says "Come play in the SEC", why are we blaming Rumph?

The fact remains, Rumph has done an excellent job of developing the grab-bag of low-ranked recruits and grad transfers thus far. Now he will have 4 excellent signees to work with. Maybe we take a couple more grad transfers over the next 2 years.

But sooner or later, the "resume" nonsense will stop. Rumph is a **** good coach, and he will get the same reputation that Kuligowski now enjoys. And even with Kuligowski's reputation, we still whiffed on multiple D-Line targets.

MULTIPLE.

So, yeah, maybe it's not "he's not a good recruiter and should be fired".

 

[Meat]

How many S FL CBs have told Rumph to fvck his own face since he was hired?

Almost every one!

But we got Nigel Bethel.... lol

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Time for Richt to make some business decisions and add savages to the coaching staff .