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I dont think anything close to a valid argument could be made for Utah over us especially after our wins this week. I would like to get some of what ever that guy is smoking though.
 
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Beat Irish at home, there will be no quetions, assumes of course we beat VT. THERE CAN BE NO LETDOWN. p.s. although we lost to Northeastern by 1 pt at the buzzer, we didn't lose to a directional school in bumfock Iowa, just sayin'
 
capefearcane said:
Beat Irish at home, there will be no quetions, assumes of course we beat VT. THERE CAN BE NO LETDOWN. p.s. although we lost to Northeastern by 1 pt at the buzzer, we didn't lose to a directional school in bumfock Iowa, just sayin'
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Team really just needs to avoid a let down loss vs a team that doesnt even belong on the same court as us like in 2013 vs Gtech and we should be golden.
 
[video=youtube;kD-AXgYO0lo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD-AXgYO0lo[/video]

Here's Gary Parrish's response to Notsince1985.
 
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miami224 said:
Gary was a real prick in his podcast to you....

Podcast: Talking Kansas and Indiana -- plus Rocky, Melo and Calvin Natt - CBSSports.com

I think he even called you a student - LOL
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I just listened and wrote to him

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS Appreciate the mention. You could have been more condescending, but not much. Not a student, have a Ph D, I'm a professor.

@doctordub20 4m4 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS More importantly, it's twitter. I wasn't going to write a dissertation on why Miami deserves to be ranked higher.

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I wasn't merely saying Miami should have been higher because they have a better record. Chattanooga has a better record too.

@doctordub20 2m2 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I understand how this works, I still find it absurd, and not because I'm a Miami, but because I look at their body of work.

@doctordub20 27s28 seconds ago
@GaryParrishCBS You want to look at losses? How about UVA losing to VT, FSU and GT? Do those not count? Those are pretty bad losses.

@doctordub20 now
@GaryParrishCBS I'll leave you alone after this. Miami is 13-2 vs. RPI top 100 teams. UVA is 11-5. Miami is 17-5 vs. 150. UVA is 17-6.
 
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Notsince1985 said:
miami224 said:
Gary was a real prick in his podcast to you....

Podcast: Talking Kansas and Indiana -- plus Rocky, Melo and Calvin Natt - CBSSports.com

I think he even called you a student - LOL
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I just listened and wrote to him

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS Appreciate the mention. You could have been more condescending, but not much. Not a student, have a Ph D, I'm a professor.

@doctordub20 4m4 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS More importantly, it's twitter. I wasn't going to write a dissertation on why Miami deserves to be ranked higher.

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I wasn't merely saying Miami should have been higher because they have a better record. Chattanooga has a better record too.

@doctordub20 2m2 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I understand how this works, I still find it absurd, and not because I'm a Miami, but because I look at their body of work.

@doctordub20 27s28 seconds ago
@GaryParrishCBS You want to look at losses? How about UVA losing to VT, FSU and GT? Do those not count? Those are pretty bad losses.

@doctordub20 now
@GaryParrishCBS I'll leave you alone after this. Miami is 13-2 vs. RPI top 100 teams. UVA is 11-5. Miami is 17-5 vs. 150. UVA is 17-6.
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lol "you will leave him alon"... dumbass.
 
CaneScott said:
Notsince1985 said:
miami224 said:
Gary was a real prick in his podcast to you....

Podcast: Talking Kansas and Indiana -- plus Rocky, Melo and Calvin Natt - CBSSports.com

I think he even called you a student - LOL
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I just listened and wrote to him

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS Appreciate the mention. You could have been more condescending, but not much. Not a student, have a Ph D, I'm a professor.

@doctordub20 4m4 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS More importantly, it's twitter. I wasn't going to write a dissertation on why Miami deserves to be ranked higher.

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I wasn't merely saying Miami should have been higher because they have a better record. Chattanooga has a better record too.

@doctordub20 2m2 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I understand how this works, I still find it absurd, and not because I'm a Miami, but because I look at their body of work.

@doctordub20 27s28 seconds ago
@GaryParrishCBS You want to look at losses? How about UVA losing to VT, FSU and GT? Do those not count? Those are pretty bad losses.

@doctordub20 now
@GaryParrishCBS I'll leave you alone after this. Miami is 13-2 vs. RPI top 100 teams. UVA is 11-5. Miami is 17-5 vs. 150. UVA is 17-6.
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lol "you will leave him alon"... dumbass.
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******* loser
 
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CaneScott said:
Notsince1985 said:
miami224 said:
Gary was a real prick in his podcast to you....

Podcast: Talking Kansas and Indiana -- plus Rocky, Melo and Calvin Natt - CBSSports.com

I think he even called you a student - LOL
Click to expand...

I just listened and wrote to him

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS Appreciate the mention. You could have been more condescending, but not much. Not a student, have a Ph D, I'm a professor.

@doctordub20 4m4 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS More importantly, it's twitter. I wasn't going to write a dissertation on why Miami deserves to be ranked higher.

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I wasn't merely saying Miami should have been higher because they have a better record. Chattanooga has a better record too.

@doctordub20 2m2 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I understand how this works, I still find it absurd, and not because I'm a Miami, but because I look at their body of work.

@doctordub20 27s28 seconds ago
@GaryParrishCBS You want to look at losses? How about UVA losing to VT, FSU and GT? Do those not count? Those are pretty bad losses.

@doctordub20 now
@GaryParrishCBS I'll leave you alone after this. Miami is 13-2 vs. RPI top 100 teams. UVA is 11-5. Miami is 17-5 vs. 150. UVA is 17-6.
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lol "you will leave him alon"... dumbass.
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We've got a pretty good group of posters on the board, take a hike
 
miami224 said:
CaneScott said:
Notsince1985 said:
miami224 said:
Gary was a real prick in his podcast to you....

Podcast: Talking Kansas and Indiana -- plus Rocky, Melo and Calvin Natt - CBSSports.com

I think he even called you a student - LOL
Click to expand...

I just listened and wrote to him

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS Appreciate the mention. You could have been more condescending, but not much. Not a student, have a Ph D, I'm a professor.

@doctordub20 4m4 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS More importantly, it's twitter. I wasn't going to write a dissertation on why Miami deserves to be ranked higher.

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I wasn't merely saying Miami should have been higher because they have a better record. Chattanooga has a better record too.

@doctordub20 2m2 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I understand how this works, I still find it absurd, and not because I'm a Miami, but because I look at their body of work.

@doctordub20 27s28 seconds ago
@GaryParrishCBS You want to look at losses? How about UVA losing to VT, FSU and GT? Do those not count? Those are pretty bad losses.

@doctordub20 now
@GaryParrishCBS I'll leave you alone after this. Miami is 13-2 vs. RPI top 100 teams. UVA is 11-5. Miami is 17-5 vs. 150. UVA is 17-6.
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lol "you will leave him alon"... dumbass.
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We've got a pretty good group of posters on the board, take a hike
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Lol "We've got a pretty good group of posters on the board"
 
miami224 said:
CaneScott said:
Notsince1985 said:
miami224 said:
Gary was a real prick in his podcast to you....

Podcast: Talking Kansas and Indiana -- plus Rocky, Melo and Calvin Natt - CBSSports.com

I think he even called you a student - LOL
Click to expand...

I just listened and wrote to him

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS Appreciate the mention. You could have been more condescending, but not much. Not a student, have a Ph D, I'm a professor.

@doctordub20 4m4 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS More importantly, it's twitter. I wasn't going to write a dissertation on why Miami deserves to be ranked higher.

@doctordub20 3m3 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I wasn't merely saying Miami should have been higher because they have a better record. Chattanooga has a better record too.

@doctordub20 2m2 minutes ago
@GaryParrishCBS I understand how this works, I still find it absurd, and not because I'm a Miami, but because I look at their body of work.

@doctordub20 27s28 seconds ago
@GaryParrishCBS You want to look at losses? How about UVA losing to VT, FSU and GT? Do those not count? Those are pretty bad losses.

@doctordub20 now
@GaryParrishCBS I'll leave you alone after this. Miami is 13-2 vs. RPI top 100 teams. UVA is 11-5. Miami is 17-5 vs. 150. UVA is 17-6.
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lol "you will leave him alon"... dumbass.
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We've got a pretty good group of posters on the board, take a hike
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I don't agree with alot of CaneScott's posts but he has every right to post what he wants. Put him on ignore if you don't like what he says.
 
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BWCD said:
HLSCane said:
CaneScott said:
HLSCane said:
Notsince1985 said:
It's a joke that Miami is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=12][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 2[/URL] [/URL] and a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] [/URL] seed with the resume we have. 22-5, 11-4, second place in the ACC, #7 RPI, [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] [/URL] 4 SOS, etc.
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I could not agree more, '85. However, just look at the way Duke's 1-point home win over UVa was portrayed in the media, compared to our 3-point home win over UVa. I know Allen's non-called travel generated a lot of attention, but Duke also was lavished praise, while our win was characterized as a "good bounce-back win" after our "thrashing" on Saturday.

The real joke to me is to put Xavier above any of the Top 3 ACC teams (us, UNC, UVa), or even the top Big10 teams (MD and Michigan State). Yes, they have only lost three games, but they are essentially the beneficiary of playing in a name conference, and being the clear second place team. But, look at who they've beaten. Their top win is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 9[/URL] RPI Dayton (back in November), followed by USC and Alabama (also in Nov., and all on neutral courts). X has had a solid season and haven't had any bad losses, but you can't just reward teams that pad their record because the bulk of their conference is VERY average.
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Lol hard to argue the OOC [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] [/URL] RPI team is just being rewarded for padding their schedule with a weak in conference schedule. But please continue.
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I'm pretty sure I just argued that. Moreover, last I saw Xavier had the #6 OOC RPI, not [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] . (Ours was [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 2[/URL] if I recall, but we aren't using our OOC RPI to justify our seed the way you claim Xavier should with respect to their OOC RPI.) But I'll reiterate my argument for your benefit:

In my opinion, these stats don't support Xavier as a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] seed:

-- 1-1 record against Top 25 RPI opponents (with the only win back in November against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 9 Dayton, and the loss by 31 points);

-- Top 50 neutral court wins against #41 Alabama and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 0[/URL] USC (these are solid, but certainly not terribly noteworthy -- for comparison purposes, our wins against #9 Utah and #6 1 Butler are comparable, but far from what is the highlight of our resume);

-- Top 50 home wins against #43 Seton Hall and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 7[/URL] Providence (comparable to our home wins against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 5[/URL] Pitt and #40 Princeton)

-- A single Top 50 road win against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 7[/URL] Providence (OK, this is a nice win and I wish the Canes had one as well, but I would argue that a home win against #5 UVa or [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 2[/URL] Duke is far stronger than this)

-- No bad losses

That's the resume of a solid team (perhaps as high as a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] seed in the NCAA tourney, if they can pick up a quality win down the stretch). That should not be the resume of any [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] seed -- and is certainly far less impressive that what other teams in the ACC and Big10 have done this year.
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I agree totally, and cosign your bytchslap of CvntScott.

What it really comes down to are the losses to Northeastern, @NC State, and @Clemson. Flip those over to wins, even with the blowout loss to UNC...we would be a solid 2 seed on the cusp of a 1, maybe even the 3rd or 4th 1 seed if you looked at it. Those 3 games hurt our resume just enough to knock us down...especially given that we aren't a typical "basketball school". There's bias in the seeding, no matter how analytical anyone decides to get with it.

For instance...if it comes down to either Michigan State or Miami for a 2 seed come selection time...you can bet your a$$ that someone on the selection committee will make sure the analysis falls in Tom Izzo's favor...simply because of the name and history of success in March. Analytically, it's probably a close call. The name recognition will give them the nod.
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Just remember the fan base.

I love my Canes, but for those of us who have followed ALL Canes sports for decades, it is pretty funny how most of our fans try and apply football ranking logic to basketball when they decide to jump on board.

It is FACT that traditional names in basketball circles will get the benefit of the doubt come Dance card time. Michigan State might be the BEST example. Why? Because normally, no matter how poorly they may do in small stretches during the regular season (Duke unfortunately fits this bill as well), they wake the **** up when it counts.

UM is an unknown quantity in this regard. 2012-2013 many, including myself, expected at the VERY LEAST an Elite 8 appearance. We do have a coach that took an 11 seed to the F4....so anything can happen....but we need to stop pretending that any basketball pundits or ranking systems should worship us because every once in a while we do what the UNCs, Dukes, MSU, Kansas..etc etc do all the time.

This squad is SIMPLY NOT the best on the road. Now we are in the midst of the longest road trip you can be on and we are expected to get a #1 seed?...or ****ed if we don't get a #2 seed?

Awesome we beat a Notre Shame team playing rather poorly of late at their place...big for confidence, and a win at VT wont hurt...maybe we start getting the road warrior mentality, but its a hard sell to convince those who believe UVA might be more steady because they have done it before.

Bottom line? VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE between a #2 or #3 seed. Getting the #1 seed would be awesome, but that looks unlikely. So we are in good shape if we play our ball.

Also, most ex college basketball coaches I have spoken to will tell you almost to a man that they could care less about the conference tournament. Sure, if they can take it EASILY with no injuries, of course they want it....but in most cases, saving the legs is paramount because the conference championship is not the big prize. I would be ok with an earlier exit from the ACC Tourney if we were guaranteed a #2 seed...though I'm not sure that is even possible the way they talk about us.

UM
 
BWCD said:
HLSCane said:
CaneScott said:
HLSCane said:
Notsince1985 said:
It's a joke that Miami is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=12][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 2[/URL] [/URL] and a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] [/URL] seed with the resume we have. 22-5, 11-4, second place in the ACC, #7 RPI, [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] [/URL] 4 SOS, etc.
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I could not agree more, '85. However, just look at the way Duke's 1-point home win over UVa was portrayed in the media, compared to our 3-point home win over UVa. I know Allen's non-called travel generated a lot of attention, but Duke also was lavished praise, while our win was characterized as a "good bounce-back win" after our "thrashing" on Saturday.

The real joke to me is to put Xavier above any of the Top 3 ACC teams (us, UNC, UVa), or even the top Big10 teams (MD and Michigan State). Yes, they have only lost three games, but they are essentially the beneficiary of playing in a name conference, and being the clear second place team. But, look at who they've beaten. Their top win is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 9[/URL] RPI Dayton (back in November), followed by USC and Alabama (also in Nov., and all on neutral courts). X has had a solid season and haven't had any bad losses, but you can't just reward teams that pad their record because the bulk of their conference is VERY average.
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Lol hard to argue the OOC [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] [/URL] RPI team is just being rewarded for padding their schedule with a weak in conference schedule. But please continue.
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I'm pretty sure I just argued that. Moreover, last I saw Xavier had the #6 OOC RPI, not [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] . (Ours was [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 2[/URL] if I recall, but we aren't using our OOC RPI to justify our seed the way you claim Xavier should with respect to their OOC RPI.) But I'll reiterate my argument for your benefit:

In my opinion, these stats don't support Xavier as a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] seed:

-- 1-1 record against Top 25 RPI opponents (with the only win back in November against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 9 Dayton, and the loss by 31 points);

-- Top 50 neutral court wins against #41 Alabama and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 0[/URL] USC (these are solid, but certainly not terribly noteworthy -- for comparison purposes, our wins against #9 Utah and #6 1 Butler are comparable, but far from what is the highlight of our resume);

-- Top 50 home wins against #43 Seton Hall and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 7[/URL] Providence (comparable to our home wins against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 5[/URL] Pitt and #40 Princeton)

-- A single Top 50 road win against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 7[/URL] Providence (OK, this is a nice win and I wish the Canes had one as well, but I would argue that a home win against #5 UVa or [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 2[/URL] Duke is far stronger than this)

-- No bad losses

That's the resume of a solid team (perhaps as high as a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] seed in the NCAA tourney, if they can pick up a quality win down the stretch). That should not be the resume of any [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] seed -- and is certainly far less impressive that what other teams in the ACC and Big10 have done this year.
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I agree totally, and cosign your bytchslap of CvntScott.

What it really comes down to are the losses to Northeastern, @NC State, and @Clemson. Flip those over to wins, even with the blowout loss to UNC...we would be a solid 2 seed on the cusp of a 1, maybe even the 3rd or 4th 1 seed if you looked at it. Those 3 games hurt our resume just enough to knock us down...especially given that we aren't a typical "basketball school". There's bias in the seeding, no matter how analytical anyone decides to get with it.

For instance...if it comes down to either Michigan State or Miami for a 2 seed come selection time...you can bet your a$$ that someone on the selection committee will make sure the analysis falls in Tom Izzo's favor...simply because of the name and history of success in March. Analytically, it's probably a close call. The name recognition will give them the nod.
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Just remember the fan base.

I love my Canes, but for those of us who have followed ALL Canes sports for decades, it is pretty funny how most of our fans try and apply football ranking logic to basketball when they decide to jump on board.

It is FACT that traditional names in basketball circles will get the benefit of the doubt come Dance card time. Michigan State might be the BEST example. Why? Because normally, no matter how poorly they may do in small stretches during the regular season (Duke unfortunately fits this bill as well), they wake the **** up when it counts.

UM is an unknown quantity in this regard. 2012-2013 many, including myself, expected at the VERY LEAST an Elite 8 appearance. We do have a coach that took an 11 seed to the F4....so anything can happen....but we need to stop pretending that any basketball pundits or ranking systems should worship us because every once in a while we do what the UNCs, Dukes, MSU, Kansas..etc etc do all the time.

This squad is SIMPLY NOT the best on the road. Now we are in the midst of the longest road trip you can be on and we are expected to get a #1 seed?...or ****ed if we don't get a #2 seed?

Awesome we beat a Notre Shame team playing rather poorly of late at their place...big for confidence, and a win at VT wont hurt...maybe we start getting the road warrior mentality, but its a hard sell to convince those who believe UVA might be more steady because they have done it before.

Bottom line? VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE between a #2 or #3 seed. Getting the #1 seed would be awesome, but that looks unlikely. So we are in good shape if we play our ball.

Also, most ex college basketball coaches I have spoken to will tell you almost to a man that they could care less about the conference tournament. Sure, if they can take it EASILY with no injuries, of course they want it....but in most cases, saving the legs is paramount because the conference championship is not the big prize. I would be ok with an earlier exit from the ACC Tourney if we were guaranteed a #2 seed...though I'm not sure that is even possible the way they talk about us.

UM
 
Fightinibis said:
BWCD said:
HLSCane said:
CaneScott said:
HLSCane said:
I could not agree more, '85. However, just look at the way Duke's 1-point home win over UVa was portrayed in the media, compared to our 3-point home win over UVa. I know Allen's non-called travel generated a lot of attention, but Duke also was lavished praise, while our win was characterized as a "good bounce-back win" after our "thrashing" on Saturday.

The real joke to me is to put Xavier above any of the Top 3 ACC teams (us, UNC, UVa), or even the top Big10 teams (MD and Michigan State). Yes, they have only lost three games, but they are essentially the beneficiary of playing in a name conference, and being the clear second place team. But, look at who they've beaten. Their top win is #1 9 RPI Dayton (back in November), followed by USC and Alabama (also in Nov., and all on neutral courts). X has had a solid season and haven't had any bad losses, but you can't just reward teams that pad their record because the bulk of their conference is VERY average.
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Lol hard to argue the OOC #2 RPI team is just being rewarded for padding their schedule with a weak in conference schedule. But please continue.
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I'm pretty sure I just argued that. Moreover, last I saw Xavier had the #6 OOC RPI, not #2 . (Ours was #1 2 if I recall, but we aren't using our OOC RPI to justify our seed the way you claim Xavier should with respect to their OOC RPI.) But I'll reiterate my argument for your benefit:

In my opinion, these stats don't support Xavier as a #1 seed:

-- 1-1 record against Top 25 RPI opponents (with the only win back in November against #1 9 Dayton, and the loss by 31 points);

-- Top 50 neutral court wins against #41 Alabama and #3 0 USC (these are solid, but certainly not terribly noteworthy -- for comparison purposes, our wins against #9 Utah and #6 1 Butler are comparable, but far from what is the highlight of our resume);

-- Top 50 home wins against #43 Seton Hall and #3 7 Providence (comparable to our home wins against #3 5 Pitt and #40 Princeton)

-- A single Top 50 road win against #3 7 Providence (OK, this is a nice win and I wish the Canes had one as well, but I would argue that a home win against #5 UVa or #1 2 Duke is far stronger than this)

-- No bad losses

That's the resume of a solid team (perhaps as high as a #3 seed in the NCAA tourney, if they can pick up a quality win down the stretch). That should not be the resume of any #1 seed -- and is certainly far less impressive that what other teams in the ACC and Big10 have done this year.
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I agree totally, and cosign your bytchslap of CvntScott.

What it really comes down to are the losses to Northeastern, @NC State, and @Clemson. Flip those over to wins, even with the blowout loss to UNC...we would be a solid 2 seed on the cusp of a 1, maybe even the 3rd or 4th 1 seed if you looked at it. Those 3 games hurt our resume just enough to knock us down...especially given that we aren't a typical "basketball school". There's bias in the seeding, no matter how analytical anyone decides to get with it.

For instance...if it comes down to either Michigan State or Miami for a 2 seed come selection time...you can bet your a$$ that someone on the selection committee will make sure the analysis falls in Tom Izzo's favor...simply because of the name and history of success in March. Analytically, it's probably a close call. The name recognition will give them the nod.
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Just remember the fan base.

I love my Canes, but for those of us who have followed ALL Canes sports for decades, it is pretty funny how most of our fans try and apply football ranking logic to basketball when they decide to jump on board.

It is FACT that traditional names in basketball circles will get the benefit of the doubt come Dance card time. Michigan State might be the BEST example. Why? Because normally, no matter how poorly they may do in small stretches during the regular season (Duke unfortunately fits this bill as well), they wake the **** up when it counts.

UM is an unknown quantity in this regard. 2012-2013 many, including myself, expected at the VERY LEAST an Elite 8 appearance. We do have a coach that took an 11 seed to the F4....so anything can happen....but we need to stop pretending that any basketball pundits or ranking systems should worship us because every once in a while we do what the UNCs, Dukes, MSU, Kansas..etc etc do all the time.

This squad is SIMPLY NOT the best on the road. Now we are in the midst of the longest road trip you can be on and we are expected to get a #1 seed?...or ****ed if we don't get a #2 seed?

Awesome we beat a Notre Shame team playing rather poorly of late at their place...big for confidence, and a win at VT wont hurt...maybe we start getting the road warrior mentality, but its a hard sell to convince those who believe UVA might be more steady because they have done it before.

Bottom line? VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE between a #2 or #3 seed. Getting the #1 seed would be awesome, but that looks unlikely. So we are in good shape if we play our ball.

Also, most ex college basketball coaches I have spoken to will tell you almost to a man that they could care less about the conference tournament. Sure, if they can take it EASILY with no injuries, of course they want it....but in most cases, saving the legs is paramount because the conference championship is not the big prize. I would be ok with an earlier exit from the ACC Tourney if we were guaranteed a #2 seed...though I'm not sure that is even possible the way they talk about us.

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Solid post.

You give the fan base use of logic a bit more credit than I do.
 
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