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Notsince1985 said:
It's a joke that Miami is #12 and a #3 seed with the resume we have. 22-5, 11-4, second place in the ACC, #7 RPI, #3 4 SOS, etc.
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I could not agree more, '85. However, just look at the way Duke's 1-point home win over UVa was portrayed in the media, compared to our 3-point home win over UVa. I know Allen's non-called travel generated a lot of attention, but Duke also was lavished praise, while our win was characterized as a "good bounce-back win" after our "thrashing" on Saturday.

The real joke to me is to put Xavier above any of the Top 3 ACC teams (us, UNC, UVa), or even the top Big10 teams (MD and Michigan State). Yes, they have only lost three games, but they are essentially the beneficiary of playing in a name conference, and being the clear second place team. But, look at who they've beaten. Their top win is #19 RPI Dayton (back in November), followed by USC and Alabama (also in Nov., and all on neutral courts). X has had a solid season and haven't had any bad losses, but you can't just reward teams that pad their record because the bulk of their conference is VERY average.
 
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HLSCane said:
Notsince1985 said:
It's a joke that Miami is #12 and a #3 seed with the resume we have. 22-5, 11-4, second place in the ACC, #7 RPI, #3 4 SOS, etc.
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I could not agree more, '85. However, just look at the way Duke's 1-point home win over UVa was portrayed in the media, compared to our 3-point home win over UVa. I know Allen's non-called travel generated a lot of attention, but Duke also was lavished praise, while our win was characterized as a "good bounce-back win" after our "thrashing" on Saturday.

The real joke to me is to put Xavier above any of the Top 3 ACC teams (us, UNC, UVa), or even the top Big10 teams (MD and Michigan State). Yes, they have only lost three games, but they are essentially the beneficiary of playing in a name conference, and being the clear second place team. But, look at who they've beaten. Their top win is #19 RPI Dayton (back in November), followed by USC and Alabama (also in Nov., and all on neutral courts). X has had a solid season and haven't had any bad losses, but you can't just reward teams that pad their record because the bulk of their conference is VERY average.
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Lol hard to argue the OOC #2 RPI team is just being rewarded for padding their schedule with a weak in conference schedule. But please continue.
 
CaneScott said:
HLSCane said:
Notsince1985 said:
It's a joke that Miami is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=12][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 2[/URL] [/URL] and a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] seed with the resume we have. 22-5, 11-4, second place in the ACC, #7 RPI, [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 4 SOS, etc.
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I could not agree more, '85. However, just look at the way Duke's 1-point home win over UVa was portrayed in the media, compared to our 3-point home win over UVa. I know Allen's non-called travel generated a lot of attention, but Duke also was lavished praise, while our win was characterized as a "good bounce-back win" after our "thrashing" on Saturday.

The real joke to me is to put Xavier above any of the Top 3 ACC teams (us, UNC, UVa), or even the top Big10 teams (MD and Michigan State). Yes, they have only lost three games, but they are essentially the beneficiary of playing in a name conference, and being the clear second place team. But, look at who they've beaten. Their top win is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 9[/URL] RPI Dayton (back in November), followed by USC and Alabama (also in Nov., and all on neutral courts). X has had a solid season and haven't had any bad losses, but you can't just reward teams that pad their record because the bulk of their conference is VERY average.
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Lol hard to argue the OOC [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] RPI team is just being rewarded for padding their schedule with a weak in conference schedule. But please continue.
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I'm pretty sure I just argued that. Moreover, last I saw Xavier had the #6 OOC RPI, not #2 . (Ours was [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 2[/URL] if I recall, but we aren't using our OOC RPI to justify our seed the way you claim Xavier should with respect to their OOC RPI.) But I'll reiterate my argument for your benefit:

In my opinion, these stats don't support Xavier as a #1 seed:

-- 1-1 record against Top 25 RPI opponents (with the only win back in November against #1 9 Dayton, and the loss by 31 points);

-- Top 50 neutral court wins against #41 Alabama and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 0[/URL] USC (these are solid, but certainly not terribly noteworthy -- for comparison purposes, our wins against #9 Utah and #6 1 Butler are comparable, but far from what is the highlight of our resume);

-- Top 50 home wins against #43 Seton Hall and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 7[/URL] Providence (comparable to our home wins against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 5[/URL] Pitt and #40 Princeton)

-- A single Top 50 road win against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 7[/URL] Providence (OK, this is a nice win and I wish the Canes had one as well, but I would argue that a home win against #5 UVa or [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 2[/URL] Duke is far stronger than this)

-- No bad losses

That's the resume of a solid team (perhaps as high as a #3 seed in the NCAA tourney, if they can pick up a quality win down the stretch). That should not be the resume of any #1 seed -- and is certainly far less impressive that what other teams in the ACC and Big10 have done this year.
 
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HLSCane said:
CaneScott said:
HLSCane said:
Notsince1985 said:
It's a joke that Miami is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=12][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 2[/URL] [/URL] and a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] seed with the resume we have. 22-5, 11-4, second place in the ACC, #7 RPI, [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 4 SOS, etc.
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I could not agree more, '85. However, just look at the way Duke's 1-point home win over UVa was portrayed in the media, compared to our 3-point home win over UVa. I know Allen's non-called travel generated a lot of attention, but Duke also was lavished praise, while our win was characterized as a "good bounce-back win" after our "thrashing" on Saturday.

The real joke to me is to put Xavier above any of the Top 3 ACC teams (us, UNC, UVa), or even the top Big10 teams (MD and Michigan State). Yes, they have only lost three games, but they are essentially the beneficiary of playing in a name conference, and being the clear second place team. But, look at who they've beaten. Their top win is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 9[/URL] RPI Dayton (back in November), followed by USC and Alabama (also in Nov., and all on neutral courts). X has had a solid season and haven't had any bad losses, but you can't just reward teams that pad their record because the bulk of their conference is VERY average.
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Lol hard to argue the OOC [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] RPI team is just being rewarded for padding their schedule with a weak in conference schedule. But please continue.
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I'm pretty sure I just argued that. Moreover, last I saw Xavier had the #6 OOC RPI, not #2 . (Ours was [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 2[/URL] if I recall, but we aren't using our OOC RPI to justify our seed the way you claim Xavier should with respect to their OOC RPI.) But I'll reiterate my argument for your benefit:

In my opinion, these stats don't support Xavier as a #1 seed:

-- 1-1 record against Top 25 RPI opponents (with the only win back in November against #1 9 Dayton, and the loss by 31 points);

-- Top 50 neutral court wins against #41 Alabama and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 0[/URL] USC (these are solid, but certainly not terribly noteworthy -- for comparison purposes, our wins against #9 Utah and #6 1 Butler are comparable, but far from what is the highlight of our resume);

-- Top 50 home wins against #43 Seton Hall and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 7[/URL] Providence (comparable to our home wins against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 5[/URL] Pitt and #40 Princeton)

-- A single Top 50 road win against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 7[/URL] Providence (OK, this is a nice win and I wish the Canes had one as well, but I would argue that a home win against #5 UVa or [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 2[/URL] Duke is far stronger than this)

-- No bad losses

That's the resume of a solid team (perhaps as high as a #3 seed in the NCAA tourney, if they can pick up a quality win down the stretch). That should not be the resume of any #1 seed -- and is certainly far less impressive that what other teams in the ACC and Big10 have done this year.
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I agree totally, and cosign your bytchslap of CvntScott.

What it really comes down to are the losses to Northeastern, @NC State, and @Clemson. Flip those over to wins, even with the blowout loss to UNC...we would be a solid 2 seed on the cusp of a 1, maybe even the 3rd or 4th 1 seed if you looked at it. Those 3 games hurt our resume just enough to knock us down...especially given that we aren't a typical "basketball school". There's bias in the seeding, no matter how analytical anyone decides to get with it.

For instance...if it comes down to either Michigan State or Miami for a 2 seed come selection time...you can bet your a$$ that someone on the selection committee will make sure the analysis falls in Tom Izzo's favor...simply because of the name and history of success in March. Analytically, it's probably a close call. The name recognition will give them the nod.
 
BWCD said:
HLSCane said:
CaneScott said:
HLSCane said:
Notsince1985 said:
It's a joke that Miami is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=12][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 2[/URL] [/URL] and a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] seed with the resume we have. 22-5, 11-4, second place in the ACC, #7 RPI, [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 4 SOS, etc.
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I could not agree more, '85. However, just look at the way Duke's 1-point home win over UVa was portrayed in the media, compared to our 3-point home win over UVa. I know Allen's non-called travel generated a lot of attention, but Duke also was lavished praise, while our win was characterized as a "good bounce-back win" after our "thrashing" on Saturday.

The real joke to me is to put Xavier above any of the Top 3 ACC teams (us, UNC, UVa), or even the top Big10 teams (MD and Michigan State). Yes, they have only lost three games, but they are essentially the beneficiary of playing in a name conference, and being the clear second place team. But, look at who they've beaten. Their top win is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 9[/URL] RPI Dayton (back in November), followed by USC and Alabama (also in Nov., and all on neutral courts). X has had a solid season and haven't had any bad losses, but you can't just reward teams that pad their record because the bulk of their conference is VERY average.
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Lol hard to argue the OOC [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] RPI team is just being rewarded for padding their schedule with a weak in conference schedule. But please continue.
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I'm pretty sure I just argued that. Moreover, last I saw Xavier had the #6 OOC RPI, not #2 . (Ours was [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 2[/URL] if I recall, but we aren't using our OOC RPI to justify our seed the way you claim Xavier should with respect to their OOC RPI.) But I'll reiterate my argument for your benefit:

In my opinion, these stats don't support Xavier as a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] seed:

-- 1-1 record against Top 25 RPI opponents (with the only win back in November against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 9 Dayton, and the loss by 31 points);

-- Top 50 neutral court wins against #41 Alabama and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 0[/URL] USC (these are solid, but certainly not terribly noteworthy -- for comparison purposes, our wins against #9 Utah and #6 1 Butler are comparable, but far from what is the highlight of our resume);

-- Top 50 home wins against #43 Seton Hall and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 7[/URL] Providence (comparable to our home wins against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 5[/URL] Pitt and #40 Princeton)

-- A single Top 50 road win against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 7[/URL] Providence (OK, this is a nice win and I wish the Canes had one as well, but I would argue that a home win against #5 UVa or [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] 2[/URL] Duke is far stronger than this)

-- No bad losses

That's the resume of a solid team (perhaps as high as a #3 seed in the NCAA tourney, if they can pick up a quality win down the stretch). That should not be the resume of any [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] seed -- and is certainly far less impressive that what other teams in the ACC and Big10 have done this year.
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I agree totally, and cosign your bytchslap of CvntScott.

What it really comes down to are the losses to Northeastern, @NC State, and @Clemson. Flip those over to wins, even with the blowout loss to UNC...we would be a solid 2 seed on the cusp of a 1, maybe even the 3rd or 4th 1 seed if you looked at it. Those 3 games hurt our resume just enough to knock us down...especially given that we aren't a typical "basketball school". There's bias in the seeding, no matter how analytical anyone decides to get with it.

For instance...if it comes down to either Michigan State or Miami for a 2 seed come selection time...you can bet your a$$ that someone on the selection committee will make sure the analysis falls in Tom Izzo's favor...simply because of the name and history of success in March. Analytically, it's probably a close call. The name recognition will give them the nod.
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That's kind of a no-brainer, isn't it? Turn 3 of our 5 losses into wins, then you're talking about a team whose only Ls are to UNC and UVA, two top-5/top-10 teams. Bet your *** we'd be a 1 seed. ****, we'd prob be ranked #1 with that kind of record.
 
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CaneInHeelCountry said:
That's kind of a no-brainer, isn't it? Turn 3 of our 5 losses into wins, then you're talking about a team whose only Ls are to UNC and UVA, two top-5/top-10 teams. Bet your *** we'd be a 1 seed. ****, we'd prob be ranked [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] with that kind of record.
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It may be a no-brainer, but it's true nonetheless. Take care of business against even 2 of those 3 teams (Northeastern/Clemple/NC State), and we're one of the top ranked teams in the country, if not THE #1 team with only 2 or 3 total losses. A season like that would have been on par or better than the 2013 Sweet Sixteen squad. ****...even the 2013 team lost in the regular season to FGCU, Indiana State, Wake Forest, and GT in addition to Zona/Duke.

I'm just pleased that we're in the position to, with a little help, possibly win the ACC regular season, and in a good position to get a top seed in the ACC and NCAA Tourneys. That's a big deal for this program.
 
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HLSCane said:
CaneScott said:
HLSCane said:
Notsince1985 said:
It's a joke that Miami is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=12][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 2[/URL] [/URL] and a [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] seed with the resume we have. 22-5, 11-4, second place in the ACC, #7 RPI, [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] 4 SOS, etc.
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I could not agree more, '85. However, just look at the way Duke's 1-point home win over UVa was portrayed in the media, compared to our 3-point home win over UVa. I know Allen's non-called travel generated a lot of attention, but Duke also was lavished praise, while our win was characterized as a "good bounce-back win" after our "thrashing" on Saturday.

The real joke to me is to put Xavier above any of the Top 3 ACC teams (us, UNC, UVa), or even the top Big10 teams (MD and Michigan State). Yes, they have only lost three games, but they are essentially the beneficiary of playing in a name conference, and being the clear second place team. But, look at who they've beaten. Their top win is [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 9[/URL] RPI Dayton (back in November), followed by USC and Alabama (also in Nov., and all on neutral courts). X has had a solid season and haven't had any bad losses, but you can't just reward teams that pad their record because the bulk of their conference is VERY average.
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Lol hard to argue the OOC [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] [/URL] RPI team is just being rewarded for padding their schedule with a weak in conference schedule. But please continue.
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I'm pretty sure I just argued that. Moreover, last I saw Xavier had the #6 OOC RPI, not [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] . (Ours was [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 2[/URL] if I recall, but we aren't using our OOC RPI to justify our seed the way you claim Xavier should with respect to their OOC RPI.) But I'll reiterate my argument for your benefit:

In my opinion, these stats don't support Xavier as a #1 seed:

-- 1-1 record against Top 25 RPI opponents (with the only win back in November against #1 9 Dayton, and the loss by 31 points);

-- Top 50 neutral court wins against #41 Alabama and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 0[/URL] USC (these are solid, but certainly not terribly noteworthy -- for comparison purposes, our wins against #9 Utah and #6 1 Butler are comparable, but far from what is the highlight of our resume);

-- Top 50 home wins against #43 Seton Hall and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 7[/URL] Providence (comparable to our home wins against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 5[/URL] Pitt and #40 Princeton)

-- A single Top 50 road win against [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 7[/URL] Providence (OK, this is a nice win and I wish the Canes had one as well, but I would argue that a home win against #5 UVa or [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 2[/URL] Duke is far stronger than this)

-- No bad losses

That's the resume of a solid team (perhaps as high as a #3 seed in the NCAA tourney, if they can pick up a quality win down the stretch). That should not be the resume of any #1 seed -- and is certainly far less impressive that what other teams in the ACC and Big10 have done this year.
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Xavier is #2 we are number #18 in OOC D1 RPI... At least fact check your **** self instead of being a lazy ****. Im sorry that you are to blinded by homerism to realize that Xavier has one of the top Resumes in the nation right now.
 
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