Blaming coaches for the wrong things.

[rickay]

I'm not saying I love the schemes, but they worked better for the first 7 games. When we moved up to more talented teams that could throw the ball we were done. Backers can't stick with anyone either can the D backs and neither of them seem to be able to tackle worth a crap. The D line is absolutely horrible against the pass, not sure I'm blaming that all on the coaches. The D line did alright against weak teams, now they are just about useless against a little better than average team. We need better talent. When we played lessor talent the schemes worked alright when our D line was giving the QB a hard time. If you can't get to the QB in a reasonable time you will get eaten up.

OP give it up. Even former players are saying the scheme sucks. And the current ones step on the field every week knowing the schemes they're asked to run don't have a chance.

dude when UCF has more heart than you your program is ****ed. Don't blame this on the NCAA or schemes, it goes deeper, some people are born smart, some dumb and some confidently retarded, Donofrio is the later.

 

[fastcane]

OP is the type that walks in on his woman getting plunged in the *** and then rationalizes it in his head that something else happened. Buddy, we have given up 40 or more in three straight games, and we are in year 3 of this scheme. Just really think about that for a second. That is before you breakdown the fact that two of those teams have no business doing that to a Miami defense. Dook, that's right doooooook ran for 300 today. When that happens it's not just the players even if you believe that nonsense........

It could be 20 years into a great scheme, if you don't have good players you will always get the same results even if you change those schemes. I just don't think we have many talented players that are starting on D. Duke ran all over us because our players weren't as good, many times they were in position to make a tackle and they didn't, that's on them. If I had to put a percentage on it, I'd say 75% on the players, 25% on the coaches. You think under this scheme our 2000, 01 or 02 D would have let up a hundred yards rushing? I'd say **** no, we had great players, which we don't have now. We would also be getting to the QB. The talent looks much better in the class coming in, we will be much better in two years.

 

[fastcane]

lol, their offensive line ate us for lunch, did you watch the game? We have a bad D line, that's why we can't lay a hand on the QB. You think Wilfork needed a great scheme? He bulled the **** out of whoever was in front of him and made plays, we don't have great players so we will stay average till we do.

Seriously all you ****ers trying to support this guy are on PCP. There is. Nothing to support there is no ****ing way before or ever that Duke's starting Oline had more talent that our D line EVER. This guy just coached them poorly, schemes poorly, gets the plays in late and does everything wrong because the defensive players like Tracy almost ****ing transferred. The only way this **** stays on is if Golden values friendship more than victory. period. Ill fight anyone that thinks this guy is worthy of coaching a D1 team.

 

[fastcane]

Please name the starters who will be drafted and play in the NFL on D?i Tell me a couple of players on D right now who you would draft over other great players in college. Looks like we might have a 4th or 5th rounder at best. Some of the younger players who need to get bigger and stronger will get better, it's too early to know how they will play in a couple of years. I think some of the freshmen, red shirt freshman and a few soph have the potential, no doubt about it. But if I was drafting today any that played on D, I would not draft them on potential.

I think one or two starters this year will be drafted and be out of the league in 2 years or less. We had super stars on D years ago, many lasted 10 years or more. We don't have one that was starting today. Some of the people here are trying to compare this team to teams of the past, you can't. This team, at least the starters right now on D are all average at best and a couple of low end NFL players . Average players = average teams, it is what it is. Our great teams of the past could tackle with the best of them, this one is not very good at it.

I said in the prediction thread we would lose, I said that because I think they are a better team without Duke and Dorsett, I said that in another thread.

 

[bobbydigius]

OP is the type that walks in on his woman getting plunged in the *** and then rationalizes it in his head that something else happened. Buddy, we have given up 40 or more in three straight games, and we are in year 3 of this scheme. Just really think about that for a second. That is before you breakdown the fact that two of those teams have no business doing that to a Miami defense. Dook, that's right doooooook ran for 300 today. When that happens it's not just the players even if you believe that nonsense........

It could be 20 years into a great scheme, if you don't have good players you will always get the same results even if you change those schemes. I just don't think we have many talented players that are starting on D. Duke ran all over us because our players weren't as good, many times they were in position to make a tackle and they didn't, that's on them. If I had to put a percentage on it, I'd say 75% on the players, 25% on the coaches. You think under this scheme our 2000, 01 or 02 D would have let up a hundred yards rushing? I'd say **** no, we had great players, which we don't have now. We would also be getting to the QB. The talent looks much better in the class coming in, we will be much better in two years.

Look we get it our players aren't ideal but there is no way our players are so bad that it will warrant what has happened the last 2 games, none end of story. We have around average to slightly below average talent, but our performance indicates that we have Div2 talent if it's mostly on the players. Duke should never ever ever ever put on 350 rushing yards on Miami. Seriously though top 5 teams playing against Div2 cup cakes don't even do that.

 

[fastcane]

This guy gets it!

If you want to blame them for poor recruiting on the Defense and part of the offense I can see. I have to give them a break for that too, with the NCAA on their backs for the past 3 years. But blaming the for not being good game day coaches seems kind of funny. I wouldn't draft one of those kids on defense, not one. Maybe some of the freshman will be a little better and the new class looks good but there just isn't much talent on this defense. They can't tackle or cover unless it's someone who is much less talented than them. We have one great player on the whole team and he's out. A few real good players, and maybe some young possibilities, it is what it is.

We have at least 8 future NFL players in our 2-deep. And, only 1 is a True Frosh. If you'd like to make some kind of wager on that, let me know.

Lu, you ALWAYS pull out that ridiculous statement. Who are these so called NFL players? Second, every major college team has a 5-10 "nfl"? Is forston considered and NFL player because he is on a practice squad and get a few reps when players go down? There a few elite players on this team. Duke and coley are potential 1st round picks. You love Erick Flowers but I haven't seen him do anything yet that has me believing he is elite. The are three players on defense that have elite potential, AQM and deon bush. Perryman is a good player and probably will make a good NFL LB but he isn't elite. Tracey Howard is close but he is a pure cover corner, not very stout vs the run.

Notice that all of those players are either freshman or sophomores and 2 didn't play today?

But the lack of elite players is problem number 1. The bigger issue is we have HUGE holes ate certain positions and no depth. We claim we are more talented than every team but renfrow couldn't sniff field at UVA and he is ducking starting! Gaines, Cornelius, highsmith, Rodgers, Shayon, porter, Robinson are all not even at JAG level. They might, might start at lower tier div 1 teams.

That's what we are playing with. So you can talk your scheme bull**** up a tree...man, zone, disguising, stemming, blitzing, bla bla. You are limited in what you can do with the ****ty players we have. Plain and simple. End of story

 

[rickay]

lol, their offensive line ate us for lunch, did you watch the game? We have a bad D line, that's why we can't lay a hand on the QB. You think Wilfork needed a great scheme? He bulled the **** out of whoever was in front of him and made plays, we don't have great players so we will stay average till we do.

Seriously all you ****ers trying to support this guy are on PCP. There is. Nothing to support there is no ****ing way before or ever that Duke's starting Oline had more talent that our D line EVER. This guy just coached them poorly, schemes poorly, gets the plays in late and does everything wrong because the defensive players like Tracy almost ****ing transferred. The only way this **** stays on is if Golden values friendship more than victory. period. Ill fight anyone that thinks this guy is worthy of coaching a D1 team.

You are full of ****. Don't for one second tell me you would take any Duke recruit over Quan, Chick, Porter, Robinson or McCord when they were being recruited you ****. Anything that happens after they come to campus falls on the corches. And Donofruo is one lazy stubborn stupid mean for all the wrong reasons son of a ******* ***** you ****.

 

[fastcane]

That just shows you how bad of players we have on D? It all starts on the D line, they are not good. Without pressure on a pretty good QB you are dead in the water.

OP is the type that walks in on his woman getting plunged in the *** and then rationalizes it in his head that something else happened. Buddy, we have given up 40 or more in three straight games, and we are in year 3 of this scheme. Just really think about that for a second. That is before you breakdown the fact that two of those teams have no business doing that to a Miami defense. Dook, that's right doooooook ran for 300 today. When that happens it's not just the players even if you believe that nonsense........

It could be 20 years into a great scheme, if you don't have good players you will always get the same results even if you change those schemes. I just don't think we have many talented players that are starting on D. Duke ran all over us because our players weren't as good, many times they were in position to make a tackle and they didn't, that's on them. If I had to put a percentage on it, I'd say 75% on the players, 25% on the coaches. You think under this scheme our 2000, 01 or 02 D would have let up a hundred yards rushing? I'd say **** no, we had great players, which we don't have now. We would also be getting to the QB. The talent looks much better in the class coming in, we will be much better in two years.

Look we get it our players aren't ideal but there is no way our players are so bad that it will warrant what has happened the last 2 games, none end of story. We have around average to slightly below average talent, but our performance indicates that we have Div2 talent if it's mostly on the players. Duke should never ever ever ever put on 350 rushing yards on Miami. Seriously though top 5 teams playing against Div2 cup cakes don't even do that.

 

[Coach Macho]

Have some of you guys ever thought that maybe our players aren't as bad as they look? (due to the scheme and what we're asking them to do)

 

[fastcane]

Quan is young, will probably be real good, needs strength. Chick is too heavy and slow now. Porter, Robinson and McCord did a bang up job today, stop blaming coaches for their short comings.

lol, their offensive line ate us for lunch, did you watch the game? We have a bad D line, that's why we can't lay a hand on the QB. You think Wilfork needed a great scheme? He bulled the **** out of whoever was in front of him and made plays, we don't have great players so we will stay average till we do.

Seriously all you ****ers trying to support this guy are on PCP. There is. Nothing to support there is no ****ing way before or ever that Duke's starting Oline had more talent that our D line EVER. This guy just coached them poorly, schemes poorly, gets the plays in late and does everything wrong because the defensive players like Tracy almost ****ing transferred. The only way this **** stays on is if Golden values friendship more than victory. period. Ill fight anyone that thinks this guy is worthy of coaching a D1 team.

You are full of ****. Don't for one second tell me you would take any Duke recruit over Quan, Chick, Porter, Robinson or McCord when they were being recruited you ****. Anything that happens after they come to campus falls on the corches. And Donofruo is one lazy stubborn stupid mean for all the wrong reasons son of a ****ing ***** you ****.

 

[fastcane]

Our D linemen are bad, scheme or no scheme.

Have some of you guys ever thought that maybe our players aren't as bad as they look? (due to the scheme and what we're asking them to do)

 

[LuCane]

This guy gets it!

If you want to blame them for poor recruiting on the Defense and part of the offense I can see. I have to give them a break for that too, with the NCAA on their backs for the past 3 years. But blaming the for not being good game day coaches seems kind of funny. I wouldn't draft one of those kids on defense, not one. Maybe some of the freshman will be a little better and the new class looks good but there just isn't much talent on this defense. They can't tackle or cover unless it's someone who is much less talented than them. We have one great player on the whole team and he's out. A few real good players, and maybe some young possibilities, it is what it is.

We have at least 8 future NFL players in our 2-deep. And, only 1 is a True Frosh. If you'd like to make some kind of wager on that, let me know.

Lu, you ALWAYS pull out that ridiculous statement. Who are these so called NFL players? Second, every major college team has a 5-10 "nfl"? Is forston considered and NFL player because he is on a practice squad and get a few reps when players go down? There a few elite players on this team. Duke and coley are potential 1st round picks. You love Erick Flowers but I haven't seen him do anything yet that has me believing he is elite. The are three players on defense that have elite potential, AQM and deon bush. Perryman is a good player and probably will make a good NFL LB but he isn't elite. Tracey Howard is close but he is a pure cover corner, not very stout vs the run.

Notice that all of those players are either freshman or sophomores and 2 didn't play today?

But the lack of elite players is problem number 1. The bigger issue is we have HUGE holes ate certain positions and no depth. We claim we are more talented than every team but renfrow couldn't sniff field at UVA and he is ducking starting! Gaines, Cornelius, highsmith, Rodgers, Shayon, porter, Robinson are all not even at JAG level. They might, might start at lower tier div 1 teams.

That's what we are playing with. So you can talk your scheme bull**** up a tree...man, zone, disguising, stemming, blitzing, bla bla. You are limited in what you can do with the ****ty players we have. Plain and simple. End of story

Yes, an NFL player is a guy who get a look by the NFL. Practice squad or otherwise, those are NFL guys. 1 year or 8, those are NFL guys. If the NFL is looking at crafting their talent, those are NFL prospects. You know how I know the difference between Forston and the type of guys Duke fielded today? Those guys won't even get a look.

Off the top of my head, here's the list of guys in our 2-deep:

Offense

Duke
Coley
Waters
Morris
[Maybe Hurns but I'll leave him off]
Ereck Flowers
Brandon Linder
Feliciano

Defense:

Pierre
AQM (though I didn't even count him as part of the 2-deep)
Mccord
[I'm leaving him off, but Porter may very well get a look)
Perryman
Howard
Bush
Artie Burns (the one true Frosh I counted as part of the 2-deep)

I'm sorry for you that you don't see Erek Flowers as a special player. While he makes mistakes, he's a future 1st day pick, if not 1st rounder.
Freshmen or sophomores, it doesn't change my statement. I watched nearly every snap of the Maryland game today. They had True Freshmen making plays. They had 2nd stringers making plays. They were injury-ridden and disrupted VTech's offense in ways that we didn't at *any point* during last week's game.

Here's the thing --> you changed the argument from NFL players to "elite" players. What a ridiculous approach. That's the typical message board straw man argument. No one said all of these guys are elite or even fully developed. They're good enough to be better than they look, though. When in the **** did we need so many elite players to slow down Duke? When did we need elite players to do to VTech what every other team did to them prior and after our game?

Your last sentence is the best. Apparently we are more limited in what we can do than teams who would BEG us to switch rosters.

 

[fastcane]

You wouldn't draft Denzel Perryman? Idiot

No, last year he was better than this year, he was rated #43 or so. I would not draft him.

 

[LuCane]

Have some of you guys ever thought that maybe our players aren't as bad as they look? (due to the scheme and what we're asking them to do)

No. Many people don't want to accept that. They want to believe so badly that mostly all of our players are terrible. Better yet, they want to believe that they're not even as good as Memphis or Troy.

 

[QuadCityCane]

They are both bad, it doesnt have to be one or the other. I want elite defense not average. Another coordinator doesnt make these guys a top 20 defense, we need both a new DC and better players.

 

[LuCane]

They are both bad, it doesnt have to be one or the other. I want elite defense not average. Another coordinator doesnt make these guys a top 20 defense, we need both a new DC and better players.

Are we talented enough to be better than some of the teams who have played VTech and Duke better than we did? Yes or no. It's really that simple.

This "but, we don't have elite players" is just another thing altogether.

 

[QuadCityCane]

They are both bad, it doesnt have to be one or the other. I want elite defense not average. Another coordinator doesnt make these guys a top 20 defense, we need both a new DC and better players.

Are we talented enough to be better than some of the teams who have played VTech and Duke better than we did? Yes or no. It's really that simple.

This "but, we don't have elite players" is just another thing altogether.

Highsmith has more missed tackles than actual tackles, Green for all is heart is limited physically, our line gets pushed 3 yards off the ball, the linebackers cant cover or tackle, safetys take bad angles, Gaines runs like he is in quicksand, a third string DT from Virginia is a starter for us.

So yes if a new DC comes in with a different scheme and plays different players on the team, more to the strengths of some of the current starters we will be better.
But if a new DC comes in and still plays 51, 59, 31, 30, and 78 significant minutes then I dont see it being a whole lot better. Maybe 450 yards given up instead of 550.

Better DC and scheme, better players, thats what I want for Christmas.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Have some of you guys ever thought that maybe our players aren't as bad as they look? (due to the scheme and what we're asking them to do)

I've reluctantly come to this conclusion. Maybe in a perfect world when Golden gets all his recruits and is playing Jrs./Srs. at every position we could have a competent D. Problem is we don't have that luxury. You can't get your **** pushed in for 3-4 consecutive years and maintain any kind of positive momentum within the program.

The players look like the biggest collection of nonathletic people I've ever witnessed in my life. They are playing slow. Reacting, instead of dictating. It's up to the coaches to put the kids in the best position to succeed. It's obvious our 2 gap D line technique isn't cutting it the last couple weeks. I don't know when a good time to transition would be, but it's obvious now is not the time.

 

[LuCane]

They are both bad, it doesnt have to be one or the other. I want elite defense not average. Another coordinator doesnt make these guys a top 20 defense, we need both a new DC and better players.

Are we talented enough to be better than some of the teams who have played VTech and Duke better than we did? Yes or no. It's really that simple.

This "but, we don't have elite players" is just another thing altogether.

Highsmith has more missed tackles than actual tackles, Green for all is heart is limited physically, our line gets pushed 3 yards off the ball, the linebackers cant cover or tackle, safetys take bad angles, Gaines runs like he is in quicksand, a third string DT from Virginia is a starter for us.

So yes if a new DC comes in with a different scheme and plays different players on the team, more to the strengths of some of the current starters we will be better.
But if a new DC comes in and still plays 51, 59, 31, 30, and 78 significant minutes then I dont see it being a whole lot better. Maybe 450 yards given up instead of 550.

Better DC and scheme, better players, thats what I want for Christmas.

It was a simple question.

 

[fastcane]

I said on Defense. AQM freshman as I said. Burns Freshman. Bush has not played good as of late, maybe he is still injured. Maybe he will be better next year. Perryman, late round at best next year. Howard late round at best maybe in two years, I personally would not draft him at all unless he got better. Porter not showing me much, late round at best this year. Pierre, getting better but. ''''If I had to draft right now not one would be on my list and I will stick by that comment''''. Flowers is very good, but got beat bad today by as everyone says inferior players. One elite player on this team this year and he is out. I'll stick by that. Yes we have a few players that probably will be great, like Coley and some of those freshmen. People are expecting too much out of average players. Again, swap the 2000,01 or 02 defensive players and plug them into this system. Think we lose any of our games? Except possibly FS. I say no!

This guy gets it!

If you want to blame them for poor recruiting on the Defense and part of the offense I can see. I have to give them a break for that too, with the NCAA on their backs for the past 3 years. But blaming the for not being good game day coaches seems kind of funny. I wouldn't draft one of those kids on defense, not one. Maybe some of the freshman will be a little better and the new class looks good but there just isn't much talent on this defense. They can't tackle or cover unless it's someone who is much less talented than them. We have one great player on the whole team and he's out. A few real good players, and maybe some young possibilities, it is what it is.

We have at least 8 future NFL players in our 2-deep. And, only 1 is a True Frosh. If you'd like to make some kind of wager on that, let me know.

Lu, you ALWAYS pull out that ridiculous statement. Who are these so called NFL players? Second, every major college team has a 5-10 "nfl"? Is forston considered and NFL player because he is on a practice squad and get a few reps when players go down? There a few elite players on this team. Duke and coley are potential 1st round picks. You love Erick Flowers but I haven't seen him do anything yet that has me believing he is elite. The are three players on defense that have elite potential, AQM and deon bush. Perryman is a good player and probably will make a good NFL LB but he isn't elite. Tracey Howard is close but he is a pure cover corner, not very stout vs the run.

Notice that all of those players are either freshman or sophomores and 2 didn't play today?

But the lack of elite players is problem number 1. The bigger issue is we have HUGE holes ate certain positions and no depth. We claim we are more talented than every team but renfrow couldn't sniff field at UVA and he is ducking starting! Gaines, Cornelius, highsmith, Rodgers, Shayon, porter, Robinson are all not even at JAG level. They might, might start at lower tier div 1 teams.

That's what we are playing with. So you can talk your scheme bull**** up a tree...man, zone, disguising, stemming, blitzing, bla bla. You are limited in what you can do with the ****ty players we have. Plain and simple. End of story

Yes, an NFL player is a guy who get a look by the NFL. Practice squad or otherwise, those are NFL guys. 1 year or 8, those are NFL guys. If the NFL is looking at crafting their talent, those are NFL prospects. You know how I know the difference between Forston and the type of guys Duke fielded today? Those guys won't even get a look.

Off the top of my head, here's the list of guys in our 2-deep:

Offense

Duke
Coley
Waters
Morris
[Maybe Hurns but I'll leave him off]
Ereck Flowers
Brandon Linder
Feliciano

Defense:

Pierre
AQM (though I didn't even count him as part of the 2-deep)
Mccord
[I'm leaving him off, but Porter may very well get a look)
Perryman
Howard
Bush
Artie Burns (the one true Frosh I counted as part of the 2-deep)

I'm sorry for you that you don't see Erek Flowers as a special player. While he makes mistakes, he's a future 1st day pick, if not 1st rounder.
Freshmen or sophomores, it doesn't change my statement. I watched nearly every snap of the Maryland game today. They had True Freshmen making plays. They had 2nd stringers making plays. They were injury-ridden and disrupted VTech's offense in ways that we didn't at *any point* during last week's game.

Here's the thing --> you changed the argument from NFL players to "elite" players. What a ridiculous approach. That's the typical message board straw man argument. No one said all of these guys are elite or even fully developed. They're good enough to be better than they look, though. When in the **** did we need so many elite players to slow down Duke? When did we need elite players to do to VTech what every other team did to them prior and after our game?

Your last sentence is the best. Apparently we are more limited in what we can do than teams who would BEG us to switch rosters.