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NC_Canes_11 said:
I get what you mean. I even agree with you. To be clear, I never said we weren’t a football school.

But honestly it’s not that ridiculous to say we’ve *become* a basketball school. At least to people who are high school to college age. They’ve seen more basketball success than football and it’s not even close. Gotta get out of the good old days and remember the primary audience has never seen a relevant Miami football team.
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They haven't seen anything that would call us either a football school or a basketball school. You can't look at SOME success and turn it into were a basketball power... Yes we won the acc twice now and that's great. How was the acc accumulatively those two years? Let's win something meaningful and then feel free to say that. Call it the good ole days or whatever you wish. But those good old days ARE THE ONLY REASON 99.9% OF YALL are here and the only reason we're discussed period nationally. Basketball doesn't make us the U. Basketball is simply a quicker turn around due to the size of the squad and the importance of one player to a teams success. Opposed to a team sport like football where multiple players and the group collectively take on far more relevance. Again I love seeing us win. But don't discredit what we did throughout the good ole days as you call them to make us a national brand. We literally built this school... That's not simply from a relevance perspective. That's point blank period. Without the football program and our contributions throughout the years the basketball program probably has to fold again... To argue that shows a lack of the bigger picture. Literally and figuratively speaking we are a football school.
 

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Brooklyndee said:
They haven't seen anything that would call us either a football school or a basketball school. You can't look at SOME success and turn it into were a basketball power... Yes we won the acc twice now and that's great. How was the acc accumulatively those two years? Let's win something meaningful and then feel free to say that. Call it the good ole days or whatever you wish. But those good old days ARE THE ONLY REASON 99.9% OF YALL are here and the only reason we're discussed period nationally. Basketball doesn't make us the U. Basketball is simply a quicker turn around due to the size of the squad and the importance of one player to a teams success. Opposed to a team sport like football where multiple players and the group collectively take on far more relevance. Again I love seeing us win. But don't discredit what we did throughout the good ole days as you call them to make us a national brand. We literally built this school... That's not simply from a relevance perspective. That's point blank period. Without the football program and our contributions throughout the years the basketball program probably has to fold again... To argue that shows a lack of the bigger picture. Literally and figuratively speaking we are a football school.
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You just ignored everything I said and kept on with the narrative, which is true, but doesn’t have anything to do with how kids view things. You can yell at kids to get off your lawn bc that lawn was dominate and built the house you live in 40 years ago, but the kids only care about the new pool in the backyard.

Again your viewpoint is right, and I agree with it, but it’s not the reality 25 and under see, or have seen. What have you done for me lately.

The school should be pushing basketball like it did football back in the day.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
You just ignored everything I said and kept on with the narrative, which is true, but doesn’t have anything to do with how kids view things. You can yell at kids to get off your lawn bc that lawn was dominate and built the house you live in 40 years ago, but the kids only care about the new pool in the backyard.

Again your viewpoint is right, and I agree with it, but it’s not the reality 25 and under see, or have seen. What have you done for me lately.

The school should be pushing basketball like it did football back in the day.
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Hence why this generation is lost. Immediate gratification is all that accounts for. Sports as a whole should be pushed and I think it is. I'm not the biggest fan of larranga & his style of play. But I get it's a different game now. It's gaurd dominated. But unless you have dominant guards that shoot a very high percentage than how are you ever gonna consistently win without any bigs... I think omier is the key to this team. I get wong was the player of the year in the acc but not too impressed by him consistently. When he's hot the kid can hit anything. But he's very streaky and his ball handling is suspect at best. Anyways. Go canes
 
Brooklyndee said:
Hence why this generation is lost. Immediate gratification is all that accounts for. Sports as a whole should be pushed and I think it is. I'm not the biggest fan of larranga & his style of play. But I get it's a different game now. It's gaurd dominated. But unless you have dominant guards that shoot a very high percentage than how are you ever gonna consistently win without any bigs... I think omier is the key to this team. I get wong was the player of the year in the acc but not too impressed by him consistently. When he's hot the kid can hit anything. But he's very streaky and his ball handling is suspect at best. Anyways. Go canes
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You aren’t saying anything I haven’t said already. Both about the younger generation and basketball. I was one of them people saying L should be fired a couple years ago. My entire gripe with L was his inability to recruit and develop big men. The one thing the schools in the ACC do with ease. Outside of 2013, he never did it. But yes the game changed and he coached his way around it. The school and everybody associated with it are better for it. Capitalize on that. And just be glad we get to watch this team this late into March.
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
You aren’t saying anything I haven’t said already. Both about the younger generation and basketball. I was one of them people saying L should be fired a couple years ago. My entire gripe with L was his inability to recruit and develop big men. The one thing the schools in the ACC do with ease. Outside of 2013, he never did it. But yes the game changed and he coached his way around it. The school and everybody associated with it are better for it. Capitalize on that. And just be glad we get to watch this team this late into March.
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My nephew (B lil brother is one of the top bigs in the country in 25) & I can't even with a clear conscience tell him pay more attention when larranaga calls. I just don't understand it.
 
Brooklyndee said:
My nephew (B lil brother is one of the top bigs in the country in 25) & I can't even with a clear conscience tell him pay more attention when larranaga calls. I just don't understand it.
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Maybe he’s the missing piece to a Final Four run. And maybe L just hasn’t recruited anybody elite enough to make him look like a developer of bigs. Huell was massively overrated. I can’t think of anybody else with the pedigree to really be a dude that’s been recruited here.
 
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We'retheBoss said:
Some of you are weird and need to do a better job defining your terms. There's a difference between "our best sport currently is basketball" and "we're a basketball school"
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"We're a basketball school" is a well deserved dig at the football program IMHO. More specifically, a reminder of how the school ****ed away a gold standard sports program via neglect born of an odd self loathing due to the programs national image.

I'm an old Canes fan and have seen all the football and baseball natty titles (none better than the first football title - but blown away by all of them). However, I've yet to travel to a football game since that 2005 debacle in Atlanta vs LSU as I saw the writing on the wall after watching a team that played like it didn't want to be there. It took 22 years, for the administration finally wake up and dedicate itself to getting behind the football program again. Breath taking stupidity that it took that long.

In the meantime I've been thrilled to evolve into a bigger fan of the basketball team than of the football team since Coach L arrived. I couldn't believe our luck in getting him and our luck in finally being free of Frank Haith. I saw what he did at George Mason and I knew of what he would be able to accomplish here.

We'll always be a football school, but what do people expect when the administration doesn't give a rats *** for so long? If anything, Coach L is giving the younger folks a taste of how exciting the Canes being a national contender can be. I hope the influence of basketball success helps motivate the football operation to get a move on. Success is fleeting. Gotta appreciate what you have and nurture it for the long haul (and that goes for basketball and baseball as well).
 
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We are a basketball school now because our basketball team is advancing in the tournament once again and our football team sucked ballz this year?
Let me speak pleaze. 5 National titles. Congratulations to BOTH of our basketball teams for advancing. We love you and support you.

Now, This football team better get **** figured out right the **** now. That's all.
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
Maybe he’s the missing piece to a Final Four run. And maybe L just hasn’t recruited anybody elite enough to make him look like a developer of bigs. Huell was massively overrated. I can’t think of anybody else with the pedigree to really be a dude that’s been recruited here.
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Because of my nephew I've started to pay attention to our basketball program and #1 I won't put that on huell and #2 I won't credit larranaga for that. He literally only recruits size for the purpose of being rim runners. Nothing goes through them and honestly they are afterthoughts in this system. What legit bigs will come play in a system that shows them no value? I sure the **** wouldn't if it was me. Not when you got most programs in the country after you and most will feature you. Most will develop you. It's not a coincidence that no one with size has been developed here since leanord left. Everyone that comes here with size people simply say they're a bust...
 
Brooklyndee said:
Because of my nephew I've started to pay attention to our basketball program and #1 I won't put that on huell and #2 I won't credit larranaga for that. He literally only recruits size for the purpose of being rim runners. Nothing goes through them and honestly they are afterthoughts in this system. What legit bigs will come play in a system that shows them no value? I sure the **** wouldn't if it was me. Not when you got most programs in the country after you and most will feature you. Most will develop you. It's not a coincidence that no one with size has been developed here since leanord left. Everyone that comes here with size people simply say they're a bust...
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We ran a ton of 5 out through Sam last year.
 
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Brooklyndee said:
Because of my nephew I've started to pay attention to our basketball program and #1 I won't put that on huell and #2 I won't credit larranaga for that. He literally only recruits size for the purpose of being rim runners. Nothing goes through them and honestly they are afterthoughts in this system. What legit bigs will come play in a system that shows them no value? I sure the **** wouldn't if it was me. Not when you got most programs in the country after you and most will feature you. Most will develop you. It's not a coincidence that no one with size has been developed here since leanord left. Everyone that comes here with size people simply say they're a bust...
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The game has changed Bro. Unless you're a big that can stretch the floor, then you're a dinosaur. H e l l, Purdue & Indiana had true bigs, and they had early exits from the tourney.

And I don't recall Hamilton developing any bigs, just eyeballin' it, but Ham's teams have always featured forwards that can handle the ball.
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
We ran a ton of 5 out through Sam last year.
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Technically speaking yes. But he didn't have the skillet of a big nor is he. I mean someone who's actually a big and being played as a legit 5. Not just occupying a spot out of necessity. Tee is a legit 5 with a 4s skillet. Can shoot from anywhere on the court & has a dominant 1s vision. He really can be special. To waste him on a team where he's nothing but a complimentary piece would be an abomination. Even with omier you can see how he had to change his game up since he got here. Clearly it's worked for him. He's dominant in what he does. But it's also why we're suspect in the paint consistently. No one defense the rim. Even as athletic as he is if he has to pop out over & over and there's no weak side help we're just gonna be exposed or run into foul trouble quickly.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
You just ignored everything I said and kept on with the narrative, which is true, but doesn’t have anything to do with how kids view things. You can yell at kids to get off your lawn bc that lawn was dominate and built the house you live in 40 years ago, but the kids only care about the new pool in the backyard.

Again your viewpoint is right, and I agree with it, but it’s not the reality 25 and under see, or have seen. What have you done for me lately.

The school should be pushing basketball like it did football back in the day.
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The attention span, and the lack of interest in anything that has to do with history is alarming in today’s youth. However, if I’m the University of Miami, I completely take advantage of this.

You can’t even show a young person a video that’s over 15 seconds long cause they’ll ask you “how long is this video”.

Make the narrative that the University of Miami is open for business, but only for athletic excellence, as well as academic achievement. Jump on the bandwagon and take full advantage of all the media exposure that’s about to occur or is occurring at this moment. Something that wasn’t fully taken advantage of by the coaching staff or the administration when we were ranked in the top five after we beat Notre Dame.

I don’t know about the TV numbers but the baseball classic at Marlins Park was sold out almost every game. Take advantage of the fact that you have an excellent baseball team with a great history. And local fanbase that loves baseball. Let them know that down the block there is a baseball team that is bad ***. And if you need to add seats cause you get flooded with calls for tickets then put them on a waiting list and build it up.

If we were to travel back in time back to 1988, you couldn’t imagine that Miami would have both basketball teams in the Sweet 16.
But you know what you also couldn’t imagine? You couldn’t imagine there would be a time when baseball and football would not compete for national championships for over 2 decades.

Many here really don’t comprehend the level of dominance that the baseball team had because of the football team.

You have to treat each individual sport as a business. And sometimes the lowest selling product becomes your best selling product and vice versa. But you have to open the door for opportunity.
 
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