Aside from the 566 yards and 5 TDs..,

[nope44]

His only real bad pass was a TD. He pretty much couldnt do anything wrong expect decide to throw to our stone handed TEs

He threw into double and triple coverage half a dozen times. This thread is an overreaction and there's going to be an equal, but opposite overreaction when the inevitable occurs (the bad side) with those throws.

He had a fantastic game and I'm not sure how anyone would argue that, but what concerns some people is what certain things mean going forward. I'm just happy I saw a couple glimpses of him hanging in the pocket. I thought those glimpses were MORE positive than the numbers he put up. It means more than whether he actually connects on those homeruns or not.

I'm real concerned when he makes those mistakes against FSU. There is no once-in-a-lifetime comeback if we make those mistakes against them. They will capitalize and we'll be in too big of a hole.

 

[5n7]

I just have a SMH and stare in absolute awe at the statements being made here by people who think Morris was anything less than absolutely brilliant. He singlehandedly...yes...singlehandedly (with major assists from Phil Dorsett and his OL) won the game for us.

and LMFAO @ D Moni trolling the isht outta ppl with obvious sarcasm. Like, how do people not see it?

Very pleased to be able to have seen that epicness in person yesterday.

 

[Canesfrom]

He's growing up before our eyes gents. Watch the post-game interview. Very impressed with his answers/demeanor after the game.

As for his game, gosh, i think our receivers (TE and Hurns with a drop) let him down more than anything. He played gutless and huge when we needed him. The ability to come back late in the 4th quarter is a skill few Qbs have. The ones that do? They are big time. As D$ said last week, this guy will be drafted pretty high when all is said and done. That arm strength is special

See you in Chicago!

 

[Ethnicsands]

It has been said that the difference between an amateur and a professional is that an amateur practices until they get it right, while a professional practices until they can't get it wrong.

 

[DMoney]

I really don't even know what "riding with DMoney on this" means. I'm not entirely sure what D is trying to get across with the sarcasm. He threw for a lot of yards and had a fantastic game today? Yes, absolutely. Who would say otherwise? Will he struggle some going forward if he plays against other defenses the way he played against NC state today? Yes, he will. So, when he has a very bad game and throws for a **** amount of yards and multiple INTs, does that automatically make a bad QB? I don't think so, and that's my entire point here.

The sarcasm was a response to the people who called Morris garbage after his huge performance last week, only to witness an even more historic performance yesterday. I agree with you and Ethnic that he got away with some mistakes and that there will be an inevitable regression to the mean, which people will overreact to. However, his mistakes yesterday are:

1) Correctable for an obviously improving quarterback in his first year as a starter
2) Destined to happen when you throw it 50+ times. If you look at some of Dorsey's big games, you can find similar throws that he got away with. The NC State secondary is nothing if not opportunistic, so it's not like it was McNeese State out there.

The reason for the OP is that we need to step back and appreciate that this quarterback just threw for the most yards in the history of the program and the conference in a must-win, close ball game. A week after putting up 425 yards against another ACC opponent. Game-saving drives in both. Getting into the minutia of it is what this board is for, but those numbers speak for themselves, loudly.

I don't think you'd disagree that the things he has shown (mental toughness, the arm talent) are significant and unteachable. His accuracy should get more consistent as his technique gets more consistent, and his mental game is improving before our eyes. I thought his ability to step up into the pocket and scan the field (two legit areas for criticism earlier in the year) was on full display against NC State.

 

[CaneLB]

Morris is the best quarterback we've had in a few years. He's not perfect but the kid doesn't throw dumb picks, and I loved that 2 minute drive against Ga Tech to take the game into overtime.

Luckily for him when he throws it right to a defender when we're on the goal line it goes through the defender's hands and ends up in Rashawn Scott's

That's not really luck. Morris throws the ball so hard that defenders aren't used to it and they struggle to read the ball and catch it. He gives us a huge advantage assuming our receivers catch the ball, which they do (aside from the woeful TEs).

 

[Ethnicsands]

Pretty much my view too.

Numbers aside, he missed a ton of throws, over-threw guys, threw at guys where his target zone was tiny and his odds low, and threw into tight coverage too many times. That's the case irrespective of the yards he put up.

Saying he had a lot of yards as if that is a response to the criticism is the type of anti-intellectual stupidity that characterizes the Presidential election. Jobs are better than they were in 2009 so hey, it's working.

Morris has a ton of potential. One of the things I like is that he manages to avoid dumb interceptions and has enough oomph on it that it doesn't just float out there. But he really needs to learn to make better decisions. He throws balls in places where it's just a bad choice. He throws into coverage where he's fortunate it's not an interception. For us, and for him in the NFL, he needs to learn probabilities, not just possibilities.

Aside from the highest yardage game in the history of the conference and the program, he was off target.

/I agree

Im riding with Dmoney on this. You guys are just too used to seeing garbage QB play that you dont know what it looks like to have a decent guy running the offense. If we are going to factor in Morris' miscues you need to also consider the drops by the TE's and WR's. There were a lot of yards left on the field today but most of that was not due to Morris. On this team, with this defense I dont mind a QB who is going to take some chances throwing the ball into coverage because we need to be aggressive on offense to win.

1. DCrigga agreed wit me, numbnuts.

2. The idea that you can't criticize after a win or after a lot of yards is an idea rooted in neanderthal stupidity. i suppose you can't compliment after a loss or a worse yardage game then? The reality is we're discussing pros and cons. Morris made some nice tosses. No one here is disputing that. He took some risks, and made some dumb tosses, too, and missed some he shouldn't have missed. If the purpose of this exchange is to do something other than collectively ********** onto a cookie, then we have to be honest about his positives and areas for improvement.

1. DMoney clearly did not agree with your entire post. For clarification, read his last post.

2. You know me better than to lump me into the group of "slurpers." I just feel like there are 100000 things to criticize after this game Before you even get to Morris. His game yesterday reminded me of an Eli Manning type of game where he will probably make some dumb throws but in the end pulls out the W because of his willingness to take chances. I really can't be too mad at that.

Lmao. Me and DMoni see I-to-I on this. You're just lost.

 

[Midget-Sex-With-Tano]

Didnt read thread. Morris cant hit anything within 20 yards accurately. He throws to general areas now. His performance seems to go down after he makes a mistake. We can be a really good team if he just settles down and doesnt rifle balls to people two yards away. Also the defense needs to step up, we cant rely on outscoring people over and over. Morris is being saved by his arm strength, otherwise he's just another Jacarris.

 

[Chuckles]

Struggling to put this into proper perspective, as it was said earlier this game almost gave me a stroke. Our previous' QB performance had conditioned me to believe we would never pull out the win, yet Morris did. Miscues aside, and although not every long toss was perfectly leading, I don't recall wide open receivers waiting long for the ball to arrive. And, I have learned that Morris will not look to the sideline with that "not my fault" expression.

So in celebration, I had a beer instead of the green scotch and thought about what would Lou say if he was evaluating ND. I have concluded he would say this was one of the fighting Irish's greatest victories and proof that they are undoubtedly on track to win the MNC if not this year then next. That's my story and I'm sticking with it!

 

[Insanecane]

Sorry I'm with money

Poor and so was our rushing game. less than 100 yards in unacceptable flat out. Defense still is weak and Fisch is not good with play call selection. Very frustrating!

Just so you know I'm being sarcastic.

Its like people forget all his great throws he has throughout the game. Yes, he misses some throws but he creates a lot of big plays with his arm. Glad to be riding shotgun with you D$

Last Miami Qb that makes that last throw?

Kenny Kelley.

 

[fastcane]

Still made a collection if some of the best throws a Canes QB has made in years, maybe ever.

I don't ever remember seeing a Miami QB make a pass like the last big one with their feet not planted. I doubt Dorsey could even throw it that far. Ha, More than half the pro QB's couldn't do that.

 

[fastcane]

Sorry I'm with money

Poor and so was our rushing game. less than 100 yards in unacceptable flat out. Defense still is weak and Fisch is not good with play call selection. Very frustrating!

Just so you know I'm being sarcastic.

Its like people forget all his great throws he has throughout the game. Yes, he misses some throws but he creates a lot of big plays with his arm. Glad to be riding shotgun with you D$

Last Miami Qb that makes that last throw?

Kenny Kelley.

I never saw KK complete a pass like that, not saying he didn't, just never saw it in a game.

 

[wushah]

One of the worst threads I've had the misfortune to read in a long time. There are so many dumb statements I don't even know where to start, so I'm not going to bother. That said, I'm pretty sure this is the backwash of being completely irrelevant to CFB for almost a decade. We're so thoroughly used to being miserable that we look to criticize and complain about every little thing. Once we get back to being a consistent winner, it should get 5% more reasonable 'round these parts.

Overall, yet another game that's a microcosm of the whole season to date and to be. We still can't get all 3 phases to play well at the same time, and that's why every game has been a five-alarm fire, but you can see talent starting to evolve and improve. That's something we haven't had for years. Forcing 6 turnovers doesn't happen by accident. Two WRs going over 150 yards and a QB engineering a second straight tying or game-winning drive doesn't happen by accident.

Still need two top-notch recruiting classes to fill holes and depth, coaching still has lots of room to improve, but I'm sold on the direction we're going in. Everyone should be heartened by how we've fought and scraped with a bunch of young'ns and we're right on track for 7 or 8 wins. Beat ND and who knows.

Feels good to have hope again.

I'm here. Thx for the post.

Since last year when Jacory started, I've been saying Morris should have been the guy and that he needed more reps. We can all see he is getting better AND more confident. That's a nice combo. I love the fact that Fisch and Golden aren't restricting him either. We're taking chances, stretching the field, and doing things on offense that most of us have been pleading for since 2002. Every QB needs to get better and he's no different, but if some of you don't see the potential with this guy then you're just not paying attention.

Finally, I agree that we need 2 more years before we're ready.

 

[HammahSwagga]

Man some of you "cane" fans are ******* cry babies.Our team won a game,celebrate,enjoy it! We're not the 80's canes anymore.Go on other teams board & see if they ***** and moan after winning a big conference game.

GREAT EFFORT BY THE CANES,GREAT DEEP BALLS BY MORRIS TODAY,GREAT JOB BY RECEIVERS GETTING OPEN AND MAKING BIG PLAYS.GREAT JOB BY THE DEFENSE FORCING TURNOVERS.GREAT WIN!

 

[dookie blaylock]

I really don't even know what "riding with DMoney on this" means. I'm not entirely sure what D is trying to get across with the sarcasm. He threw for a lot of yards and had a fantastic game today? Yes, absolutely. Who would say otherwise? Will he struggle some going forward if he plays against other defenses the way he played against NC state today? Yes, he will. So, when he has a very bad game and throws for a **** amount of yards and multiple INTs, does that automatically make a bad QB? I don't think so, and that's my entire point here.

The sarcasm was a response to the people who called Morris garbage after his huge performance last week, only to witness an even more historic performance yesterday. I agree with you and Ethnic that he got away with some mistakes and that there will be an inevitable regression to the mean, which people will overreact to. However, his mistakes yesterday are:

1) Correctable for an obviously improving quarterback in his first year as a starter
2) Destined to happen when you throw it 50+ times. If you look at some of Dorsey's big games, you can find similar throws that he got away with. The NC State secondary is nothing if not opportunistic, so it's not like it was McNeese State out there.

The reason for the OP is that we need to step back and appreciate that this quarterback just threw for the most yards in the history of the program and the conference in a must-win, close ball game. A week after putting up 425 yards against another ACC opponent. Game-saving drives in both. Getting into the minutia of it is what this board is for, but those numbers speak for themselves, loudly.

I don't think you'd disagree that the things he has shown (mental toughness, the arm talent) are significant and unteachable. His accuracy should get more consistent as his technique gets more consistent, and his mental game is improving before our eyes. I thought his ability to step up into the pocket and scan the field (two legit areas for criticism earlier in the year) was on full display against NC State.

I was a big critic after last week and I can't do anything but tip my cap to him this week. Exceptional performance and poise in crunch time. However, consistency is still a work in progress and bouncing back from bad plays, whether or not they're his fault. After the endzone INT, it's like a switch was flipped and everything shut down for 2 quarters. To his credit he did a great job bouncing back and showed a lot of moxie on the game-winner, but the feast-or-famine performances (by the offense as a whole, not just him) need to be fixed. All of that being said, he pulled it all together when it mattered and delivered us an amazing win this week. I am happily eating crow.

 

[Mico Jones]

I really don't even know what "riding with DMoney on this" means. I'm not entirely sure what D is trying to get across with the sarcasm. He threw for a lot of yards and had a fantastic game today? Yes, absolutely. Who would say otherwise? Will he struggle some going forward if he plays against other defenses the way he played against NC state today? Yes, he will. So, when he has a very bad game and throws for a **** amount of yards and multiple INTs, does that automatically make a bad QB? I don't think so, and that's my entire point here.

The sarcasm was a response to the people who called Morris garbage after his huge performance last week, only to witness an even more historic performance yesterday. I agree with you and Ethnic that he got away with some mistakes and that there will be an inevitable regression to the mean, which people will overreact to. However, his mistakes yesterday are:

1) Correctable for an obviously improving quarterback in his first year as a starter
2) Destined to happen when you throw it 50+ times. If you look at some of Dorsey's big games, you can find similar throws that he got away with. The NC State secondary is nothing if not opportunistic, so it's not like it was McNeese State out there.

The reason for the OP is that we need to step back and appreciate that this quarterback just threw for the most yards in the history of the program and the conference in a must-win, close ball game. A week after putting up 425 yards against another ACC opponent. Game-saving drives in both. Getting into the minutia of it is what this board is for, but those numbers speak for themselves, loudly.

I don't think you'd disagree that the things he has shown (mental toughness, the arm talent) are significant and unteachable. His accuracy should get more consistent as his technique gets more consistent, and his mental game is improving before our eyes. I thought his ability to step up into the pocket and scan the field (two legit areas for criticism earlier in the year) was on full display against NC State.

Surprised to see such an amateurish Grassy style post from a veteran poster.

I don't remember anyone calling him garbage after last week. After Bethune a bunch of posters did.

Many including myself said he's average even after last week. Average is far from garbage. This weeks performance was well above average. We'll see if he consistently does this from now on.

To another comment you made Dorsey did throw one or two he got away with but not as many as Morris. I never saw Dorsey miss people high,wide and late on routine plays.

The tip touchdown to Scott is a perfect example. It was a pick. He got lucky on that one. He threw two to the Tight Ends in the end zone that were unnecessarily high and it cost us with an interception and filed goal force that we missed.

Also give credit to the fact that we have an OC who's strength is setting up big plays in the passing game, what is proving to be a deep, talented & speedy WR corp, and a good offensive line who's strength is pass pro. Those things compliment Morris's strength which is his cannon arm.

I am curious to see how he will perform against a team that takes away the chunk plays and forces him to beat them with his mind, consistency, accuracy & patience.

 

[DMoney]

Surprised to see such an amateurish Grassy style post from a veteran poster.

I don't remember anyone calling him garbage after last week. After Bethune a bunch of posters did.

Many including myself said he's average even after last week. Average is far from garbage. This weeks performance was well above average. We'll see if he consistently does this from now on.

Must've missed the posts in this thread about how how Morris is "god awful." http://canesinsight.com/showthread.php?30267-Stephen-Morris-s-last-drive/page2&highlight=canesbball There were other similar comments on the board after GT and after Bethune and KSU.

Looks like you think he's average. I think he will play in the NFL. Let's see who is right.

 

[Larry]

He had a very very good game.

9 plays were essentially 71% of his output, of which, 3 plays for 152 yards and 2 TDs came on dead plays where he was playing pitch and catch against a defense that stopped. Plus, I won't go into the red zone struggles, those were obvious.

I won't hate, though...566 and 5 TDs are 566 and 5 TDs. I never said he doesn't throw a pretty deep ball. Jeff Blake like deep ball. Just pretty.

 

[DutchieFlair]

Morris wasn't bad

 

[Staybon]

we put up 44 and should have put up at least 60. we left so many points out there. this offense gives us a chance to win any game - and its still far from clicking on all cylinders.