Alabama and Racism

[RVACane]

I thought this was a message board for the Canes?

Right. In line with that premise, OP makes a point that local kids should stay home and become Canes, while highlighting the irony of local black kids flocking to one of, if not the most racist state in the union.

As a result, cane fans and people with zero ties to the state of Alabama, who probably couldn't point to it on a map, are incensed because OP believes there are racist in the stands cheering for black athletes they wouldn't want joining them at a family dinner.

I said it before and i'll say it again. If you're not racist or personally from the state of Alabama, then you shouldn't feel provoked to dispute anything the OP said. Why white men take offense to the concept that there may be racists or bigots in the stands at the University of Alabama is beyond me.

White men just heard for the last wo years of this election cycle that were all racist because we don't fall in line with the liberal agenda. It's really that simple. What your saying would be like me calling whatever ethnicity lazy (fill in the ethnic slur) and then telling you (who would be of that ethnicity) not to get offended because you're not lazy. I also love you telling people what to and what not to get offended by. This is a tactic right out of the liberal playbook. Glad you're not making the rules and the country voted and agrees.

I think your hero lost the popular vote by close to 2,500,000 votes. Most of the country voted for his opponent, who I felt no choice but to vote for, but who I also do not like. I hope they fix the system going forward so that millions of votes for one candidate, regardless of party, aren't rendered useless.

My hero? Thank you for proving my point. I don't agree with the opee so I must be a trump supporter. Not supporting the liberal agenda doesn't mean that you're a Trump supporter. It also doesn't mean that I'm a pub.

The popular vote "point" is the dumbest ******* thing I've ever heard. Campaigns would run a little bit differently if the popular vote counted don't ya think? The senate, house, governorships and state legislatures are overwhelmingly republican. Half of house democrats are from 3 states. Thank God for the Electoral college.

The OP went too far. I already said that. Our system is broken.

 

[Canedude08]

I dont get it either.

But, on the other hand, racist *** Bear Bryant did more for school integration in the South than any politician.

Nick Saban owns the state and would end any funny business before it could even get rolling (no pun intended).

Ironically, Bear Bryant wasn't nearly the racist he was portrayed as. He was a poor Southerner that was obsessed with winning football games, period. Bryant probably held the political views that most poor southerners held back then, but compared to the virulent racists, he was down right liberal. Remember, Bryant wanted to integrate the SEC back when he was at Kentucky in the fifties, but the University President explained to him that the SEC would boot the Wildcats out if they integrated. Bryant took the hint and moved on to Texas A&M. People forget that Bryant directed a lot of black athletes that he wanted to his coaching buddies up north, because he couldn't take them.

 

[CaneFan79]

Actual quote from a recent team leader: "I don't give a ****, man. I just wanna win and ball out ($) in the L."

Whoever said that is not a leader.

You don't know the context. He was asked how he felt about Golden's binder and the "motivation" tactics.

Ok, I guess I don't get how that relates to the OP then.

People are expecting too much from 18-22 year olds in terms of how critically they think through things - especially these broader social issues.

Hmmm, didn't we have a discussion on another thread about people of that age as it relates to recruiting? I guess this ties in, as the OP wants no recruits to go to 'Bama because of he perceives racism there (which is fine with me, like them all to stay and Richt figure out who he wants).

 

[RVACane]

No matter your skin color. If you live anywhere on this planet where a persons basic human rights; freedom, justice and equality are denied and you don't speak up and stand up against those that opposed that right; you are just as guilty of being a racist as those that are on the front line publicly denying those people of their right. This includes those apart of that race as well as those outside that race. Being silent makes you just as guilty; looking the other way makes you just as guilty; fleeing your own country and leaving others behind makes you just as guilty; and having a few friends of the victimized race for your conscious therapy but still afraid to speak up and stand up makes you just as guilty. These kinds of people are in existence throughout the Canes fan base as well as others. So clean your own house up before you try to clean others or try to tell someone that their house needs cleaning!

In an unrelated thread, I posted this video of Urban Meyer a few years back:

[video=youtube;xgqQshESm8s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgqQshESm8s[/video]

Racism? To me, this is Urban being a complete racist. Funny, people (namely dim $ucknuts) describe this exchange as Urban standing up for his player, yet he clearly states if it were "his son" they would be "going at it." Guess any promise to Deonte Thomas' family (Thomas was black) about being "a father to him" while he was at UF, stopped at Urban's white blood and that a black player is not worth him fighting Fowler. Also note that Urban creates a strawman racist argument @ :30 second point. Thomas' offense? He had criticized the play of white QB Brantley (part of the large UF player/booster Brantley family), that's it. Urban immediately goes down the "Oh some of my best friends are black" bigot defense by talking about Thomas not being in trouble, good student, etc. HELLO, THAT WAS NEVER IN QUESTION!!! Urban wouldn't have said anything similar about a white players conduct AND WE KNOW IT!!! Total racist comments by Meyer, yet this guy is praised all over CIS.

As far as going anywhere around the world, to fight for human rights, be careful. Bleeding heart liberals (mainly moneyed whites) will try to get you into all manner of bad situations. Take this from one of the presidential debates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYoziyaLFYs

Trust me, there are kids all over the world like that boy in Aleppo, but they are also here in our own country, wounded in senseless violence across the USA.

Please also note that people like Martha Raddatz take on the cause clèbre of the time. Note how the outrage after Boko Harem's atrocities died down after everyone had their 5 minutes of instagram fame? Notice how the LRA and Kony and the Ugandan Civil War gets no media attention? How we forget the Rwandan massacre by the Hutu? Yeah, leftist media outrage of racism is very selective.

Your statement may make a great point, but carrying out what it dictates, that is whole other ballgame.

Hats off to you and your examples. No one talks about people like Mugabe either.

 

[RVACane]

@RVA and CanesFan - Martin Luther King, Jr said, "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy". Politicians deliver the same message regardless of party liberal or conservative via the media and therefore herd the public in the same direction by sending that message over and over. When the people are fed up with the BS the people move without a head they call it "grass roots". One of the first movements that united this country was lead by a quote delivered by Patrick Henry "Give me liberty, or give me death!". If you are serious about change you can't run from the problem, you have to stand and fight. If you lose your life in the process then that's just part of it. The next person in line must step up until change is brought forth!

You realize Patrick Henry didn't give liberty to the 75 slaves or so he owned, right?

I wanna be [MENTION=9161]CaneFan79[/MENTION] when I grow up.

 

[Canedude08]

You know these PWI set a lot of these very heralded and regarded black athletes with white women. They do it for a reason. Btw I don't give a **** who you ****. You are crazy or naive if you don't think the PWI set these players up with white women as a way to try and control them. IMO when a black athlete leaves their neighborhood, I know they are not all poor, and hit it big . . . they are less likely to return to their community and invest to make it better when attached to a white woman.

So here it is:

Black posters who have lived in an urban setting will agree with me.
White posters that value social justice will agree with me.
The uninformed will think Im nuts.
Those that think the poor are poor because they are too lazy to do anything will think Im nuts.

Im white. I teach in an inner city school because I believe for too many kids in the area I work, their teachers are their best hope to move upwards socially.

Because being with a Black woman ensures that you will invest in the community when you hit it rich. I guess Michael Jordan has done more for the hood than anyone else in history. Oh wait, he hasn't. You may teach at an inner city school, but it's obvious you have bought into the BS Boondocks conspiracy theories. Schools like Alabama set guys up with white women because that's what they mostly have, and it is a different experience for a kid from the hood, most of whom never attended school around white people. Some schools provide a mixture of girls to choose from, because guys have different preferences. FSU uses their proximity to FAMU and their women as a recruiting tool. The last time I checked, FAMU's female student body is overwhelmingly black.

There is a reason why the black power structure hates interracial dating and it has NOTHING to do with racism. A black man with options is less likely to put up with a weave wearing, obnoxious woman named Deshondrey. Black men can be ourselves and pull women from all races, we don't have to pretend to be anything else. Black women(and their simp enablers) can't stand that. The black power structure pushed strong, competent men aside and let women call the shots, what you see in the inner city is the end result of that. Few strong fathers, bunch of women getting knocked up by the neighborhood thugs, leading to dumbass kids that are mostly doomed from the moment of birth.

By the way, most people that are poor are poor because they make awful decisions. Yes, there are some big picture economic factors that help keep them that way, but at the street level, these people are mostly doing it to themselves. I've seen it in the Black community, we salute women that get knocked up outside of marriage. We applaud women who consistently have children they can't afford by men that can't afford them either. We call these women "Queens", even though a real queen wouldn't keep making the same mistakes over and over. We are a culture in which behaving in a civilized manner is "Actin' White", and behaving like a recently released convict is "Keeping It Real". We are a culture in which voting for actual opportunity is a reason to be a labeled a "Sellout", while voting for the people that will continue to keep all of us on the plantation is acceptable. It is Bizarro world in the Black community, and I'm happy that I was fortunate enough to be raised by two intelligent people that saw through the bull****.

 

[Moro]

@RVA and CanesFan - Martin Luther King, Jr said, "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy". Politicians deliver the same message regardless of party liberal or conservative via the media and therefore herd the public in the same direction by sending that message over and over. When the people are fed up with the BS the people move without a head they call it "grass roots". One of the first movements that united this country was lead by a quote delivered by Patrick Henry "Give me liberty, or give me death!". If you are serious about change you can't run from the problem, you have to stand and fight. If you lose your life in the process then that's just part of it. The next person in line must step up until change is brought forth!

You realize Patrick Henry didn't give liberty to the 75 slaves or so he owned, right?

Yes. That's why it remains one of the most quoted quotes today by whites all over the world. However, had the 20 Million blacks that remained modern day slaves in 1965 new what it took to get it; we wouldn't be having this discussion today!

 

[cooks002]

Actual quote from a recent team leader: "I don't give a ****, man. I just wanna win and ball out ($) in the L."

Whoever said that is not a leader.

You don't know the context. He was asked how he felt about Golden's binder and the "motivation" tactics.

Ok, I guess I don't get how that relates to the OP then.

People are expecting too much from 18-22 year olds in terms of how critically they think through things - especially these broader social issues.

Good point. This type of critical thought is instilled in the home. The institution in question here has a terrible history and quite frankly still is battling with racial and class issues on its campus. But yet the football program is generating untold riches on the backs of AA players? Who is getting that money? As a parent and as a man of color I feel it is imperative that the young men know that our situation won't improve until we demand for ourselves, and in this case that means using the leverage of our marketable talents to enact change. I guarantee if black players stop going to SEC schools, things will change. Of course not everyone is built for this some just want to go for self, but somebody has to be bout that life.

 

[MedleyCane]

Yikes at this thread.
It needs to be nuked yesterday.
Mods?

 

[RVACane]

As a white boy growing up on NW 189th Street in Carol City in the 1970s, I had friends who were African-American, ******, and Ecuadorian and understoood that America was a melting pot. I loved Miami. It was paradise. As an adult in a Trump America I see how far we have to go. I know the Republican loving Cubans will bash me and that is understandable, but Alabama bothers me the most. I see these tie-wearing, white shirt donning, racist from the worst state in the union cheering on their "boys" and claiming superiority above the rest of America. 99% of the fans wouldn't be caught dead at a party with the players from their Crimson Tide team, yet they cheer them on like they are at a **** fight. Maybe I am being over-dramatic, but it is kinda strange that the most racist state in America relishes the fact that their 'boys' rule the world of college football. I hope the kids from the 305/954/561 can see past this hypocrisy and return the U to the glory of the past.

I thought this was a message board for the Canes?

Right. In line with that premise, OP makes a point that local kids should stay home and become Canes, while highlighting the irony of local black kids flocking to one of, if not the most racist state in the union.

As a result, cane fans and people with zero ties to the state of Alabama, who probably couldn't point to it on a map, are incensed because OP believes there are racist in the stands cheering for black athletes they wouldn't want joining them at a family dinner.

I said it before and i'll say it again. If you're not racist or personally from the state of Alabama, then you shouldn't feel provoked to dispute anything the OP said. Why white men take offense to the concept that there may be racists or bigots in the stands at the University of Alabama is beyond me.

White men just heard for the last wo years of this election cycle that were all racist because we don't fall in line with the liberal agenda. It's really that simple. What your saying would be like me calling whatever ethnicity lazy (fill in the ethnic slur) and then telling you (who would be of that ethnicity) not to get offended because you're not lazy. I also love you telling people what to and what not to get offended by. This is a tactic right out of the liberal playbook. Glad you're not making the rules and the country voted and agrees.

Americans love applying labels to describe people and their beliefs, when in fact most peoples beliefs are a combination of what would be considered liberal, conservative and independents. Secondly, while you are correct the country voted and choose another President, you are wrong to imply or believe it was a majority. The loser in the election actually won the majority of the popular vote, but came up short where it mattered, Electoral College. When any oppressed person/group speaks up there is always rebuttal by those unaffected and of advantage. Put aside your disdain for people of color and allow your mind to be unbiased and answer this question of racism: Had AA, in conjunction with Jews, white peoples and Politicos with foresight not spoke up against racist policies and laws, would things have changed if we had remained silent and fearful? Tell me why you deserve the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, but not people of color?

[MENTION=7468]Gator Hatar[/MENTION] - While there are people who have genuine concerns, a bunch of these guys are just angry white men who feel that they had to bite the bullet and be quiet or be called racist over the last 8 years and now they've been emancipated. As a result, I've witnessed various things personally including swastikas being painted on my daughter's elementary school. I'm very disturbed by this and as a ****** person it really touches a nerve some just can't understand.

 

[Moro]

Yikes at this thread.
It needs to be nuked yesterday.
Mods?

HeeHee! When real solutions come to the front it's not long before comforters call for silence!!! LMAO!!!

 

[RVACane]

As a white boy growing up on NW 189th Street in Carol City in the 1970s, I had friends who were African-American, ******, and Ecuadorian and understoood that America was a melting pot. I loved Miami. It was paradise. As an adult in a Trump America I see how far we have to go. I know the Republican loving Cubans will bash me and that is understandable, but Alabama bothers me the most. I see these tie-wearing, white shirt donning, racist from the worst state in the union cheering on their "boys" and claiming superiority above the rest of America. 99% of the fans wouldn't be caught dead at a party with the players from their Crimson Tide team, yet they cheer them on like they are at a **** fight. Maybe I am being over-dramatic, but it is kinda strange that the most racist state in America relishes the fact that their 'boys' rule the world of college football. I hope the kids from the 305/954/561 can see past this hypocrisy and return the U to the glory of the past.

I thought this was a message board for the Canes?

Right. In line with that premise, OP makes a point that local kids should stay home and become Canes, while highlighting the irony of local black kids flocking to one of, if not the most racist state in the union.

As a result, cane fans and people with zero ties to the state of Alabama, who probably couldn't point to it on a map, are incensed because OP believes there are racist in the stands cheering for black athletes they wouldn't want joining them at a family dinner.

I said it before and i'll say it again. If you're not racist or personally from the state of Alabama, then you shouldn't feel provoked to dispute anything the OP said. Why white men take offense to the concept that there may be racists or bigots in the stands at the University of Alabama is beyond me.

White men just heard for the last wo years of this election cycle that were all racist because we don't fall in line with the liberal agenda. It's really that simple. What your saying would be like me calling whatever ethnicity lazy (fill in the ethnic slur) and then telling you (who would be of that ethnicity) not to get offended because you're not lazy. I also love you telling people what to and what not to get offended by. This is a tactic right out of the liberal playbook. Glad you're not making the rules and the country voted and agrees.

I love conversations like this!

We are treading on West Endzone territory. Ill take a chance and ask anyways!

Liberal agenda- Do you care if a man ****s a man? Do you care if a woman licks another woman's pusseur? Do you think the government should prevent them from marrying?

Women have the choice to abort or not . . . Should the government say No because it is a life? I really do wrestle with this issue on a theoretical level. When does life begin?

Ill stop with those 2 questions.

Did [MENTION=7216]Sabetta[/MENTION] ever answer these questions?

 

[Ibis Wingz]

There is more racism in Alabama than SFL. Anyone that says otherwise is bull****ting.

Sauce?

 

[CaneFan79]

@RVA and CanesFan - Martin Luther King, Jr said, "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy". Politicians deliver the same message regardless of party liberal or conservative via the media and therefore herd the public in the same direction by sending that message over and over. When the people are fed up with the BS the people move without a head they call it "grass roots". One of the first movements that united this country was lead by a quote delivered by Patrick Henry "Give me liberty, or give me death!". If you are serious about change you can't run from the problem, you have to stand and fight. If you lose your life in the process then that's just part of it. The next person in line must step up until change is brought forth!

You realize Patrick Henry didn't give liberty to the 75 slaves or so he owned, right?

Yes. That's why it remains one of the most quoted quotes today by whites all over the world. However, had the 20 Million blacks that remained modern day slaves in 1965 new what it took to get it; we wouldn't be having this discussion today!

So by that rationale, the people who were decended from those millions bound when they came to the US (indentured servitude) have grievances that remain unaddressed also, correct?

 

[Moro]

@RVA and CanesFan - Martin Luther King, Jr said, "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy". Politicians deliver the same message regardless of party liberal or conservative via the media and therefore herd the public in the same direction by sending that message over and over. When the people are fed up with the BS the people move without a head they call it "grass roots". One of the first movements that united this country was lead by a quote delivered by Patrick Henry "Give me liberty, or give me death!". If you are serious about change you can't run from the problem, you have to stand and fight. If you lose your life in the process then that's just part of it. The next person in line must step up until change is brought forth!

You realize Patrick Henry didn't give liberty to the 75 slaves or so he owned, right?

Yes. That's why it remains one of the most quoted quotes today by whites all over the world. However, had the 20 Million blacks that remained modern day slaves in 1965 new what it took to get it; we wouldn't be having this discussion today!

So by that rationale, the people who were decended from those millions bound when they came to the US (indentured servitude) have grievances that remain unaddressed also, correct?

Let me correct you. The children of slaves were descendants of the worst Holocaust known in human history; They were stolen, kidnapped and stripped of their identity, religion, customs, language and native land and brought to this country to build what you enjoy today as America; so much so that they held senatorial discussions around the fact that they have effectively cutoff and destroyed the link to the slaves true self.

 

[RVACane]

Yikes at this thread.
It needs to be nuked yesterday.
Mods?

HeeHee! When real solutions come to the front it's not long before comforters call for silence!!! LMAO!!!

[MENTION=608]MedleyCane[/MENTION] is right. We've contributed greatly to a social justice thread that's far removed from Canes stuff.

 

[RVACane]

One thing's for certain... [MENTION=14310]Moro[/MENTION] knows more about social justice issues than he does about football.

 

[Moro]

Yikes at this thread.
It needs to be nuked yesterday.
Mods?

HeeHee! When real solutions come to the front it's not long before comforters call for silence!!! LMAO!!!

[MENTION=608]MedleyCane[/MENTION] is right. We've contributed greatly to a social justice thread that's far removed from Canes stuff.

LMAO!!!

 

[CaneFan79]

 

[Moro]

One thing's for certain... [MENTION=14310]Moro[/MENTION] knows more about social justice issues than he does about football.

Don't kid yourself you have learned more about social justice and football than you've learned in your life. Moro brings the good news!!!