Alabama and Racism

[John77]

We're all canes fans, let's keep it at that. Plenty of other places to talk about this stuff, only one to talk about canes.

 

[Billy D Williams]

As a white boy growing up on NW 189th Street in Carol City in the 1970s, I had friends who were African-American, ******, and Ecuadorian and understoood that America was a melting pot. I loved Miami. It was paradise. As an adult in a Trump America I see how far we have to go. I know the Republican loving Cubans will bash me and that is understandable, but Alabama bothers me the most. I see these tie-wearing, white shirt donning, racist from the worst state in the union cheering on their "boys" and claiming superiority above the rest of America. 99% of the fans wouldn't be caught dead at a party with the players from their Crimson Tide team, yet they cheer them on like they are at a **** fight. Maybe I am being over-dramatic, but it is kinda strange that the most racist state in America relishes the fact that their 'boys' rule the world of college football. I hope the kids from the 305/954/561 can see past this hypocrisy and return the U to the glory of the past.

You speak fact and I wholly agree. Racism, Social and workplace oppression is as much a part of America as the stripes on the flag. No place is more dedicated to maintaining as wide a degree of segregation as permitted by law as Alabama. That's not to say The U doesn't have racist or those that embrace racial superiority, but to suggest this post is not of factual basis, is to say Alabama has better beaches that Florida. As an educated AA in touch with educational, social and political atmosphere in that state, I know outside of representing that university on the sports fields, those people despise AA on a level even white outsiders, know and would admit, is extreme. Many of our AA athletes, parents or advisors, either don't know or don't care that their lust for stardom, championships and the NFL is providing the Caretakers and Supporters of the Confederacy the social jubilation and financial gains they would never allow the very same black men toiling on the fields for them. The fact anyone on here would deny people their expression of their own history and experiences is to **** on them and tell them it's raining.

 

[TemplarCane]

I dont get it either.

But, on the other hand, racist *** Bear Bryant did more for school integration in the South than any politician.

Nick Saban owns the state and would end any funny business before it could even get rolling (no pun intended).

Wasn't Alabama the last team in the SEC to end desegregation?

It wasn't until USC thrashed Bama 42-21 in Birmingham in 1970 the Tide chose to end athletic apartheid. Bryant is credited with setting up the game, perhaps knowing he would get whipped. Alabama was coming off at 6-5 season and USC was a preseason title contender. USC was fully integrated, with a black QB and stars like Clarence Davis and Sam Cunningham.

The Showtime documentary Against The Tide is one recollection.

The Integration of College Football Didn't Happen in One Game - The Atlantic

The Alabama USC story is one of my favorites in College football bc it tells you everything about how these athletes are viewed by some in the SEC. Bryant only accepted integration bc he realized it was his best chance to win fb games. Not bc it was the right thing to do.

Bama fans like to tell a revisionist tale of the game these days that says Bryant knew what he was doing by purposely playing USC and that seeing a player like Sam Cunningham up close would be the only way the good ol boys would accept black players. It's a tall tale. Bryant would've loved nothing more than to shut him down and not have to integrate.

After the game, Bryant (allegedly) said something to the effect of : "well, I guess we gotta get a ni**er, too."

I have never read your Bryant quote anywhere else. He wanted to integrate the team for some time but Alabama boosters and administration blocked it, not too mention Governor George Wallace.

 

[Billy D Williams]

I dont get it either.

But, on the other hand, racist *** Bear Bryant did more for school integration in the South than any politician.

Nick Saban owns the state and would end any funny business before it could even get rolling (no pun intended).

Wasn't Alabama the last team in the SEC to end segregation?

It wasn't until USC thrashed Bama 42-21 in Birmingham in 1970 the Tide chose to end athletic apartheid. Bryant is credited with setting up the game, perhaps knowing he would get whipped. Alabama was coming off at 6-5 season and USC was a preseason title contender. USC was fully integrated, with a black QB and stars like Clarence Davis and Sam Cunningham.

The Showtime documentary Against The Tide is one recollection.

The Integration of College Football Didn't Happen in One Game - The Atlantic

I remember watching the game as a kid with many adults because it was a monumental moment in sports history and social interaction. This was 1970 PEOPLE! Sam "Bam" Cunningham scored 4 touchdowns and Bear Brant was quoted as saying, "I got to get me some of those". As time went on and there were not the rules and regulations we have now, Bear would have AA football players essentially hanging out on campus waiting to be the replacement for their current star players. Their actions were to insure that- though they may play and win championships for bama- they would have no chance at graduating with a degree. The other teams followed suit and this policy of only assuring academic eligibility, not graduation, wasn't addressed by the NCAA until the late 80's (?).

 

[supersaiyanshel]

I dont get it either.

But, on the other hand, racist *** Bear Bryant did more for school integration in the South than any politician.

Nick Saban owns the state and would end any funny business before it could even get rolling (no pun intended).

Wasn't Alabama the last team in the SEC to end desegregation?

It wasn't until USC thrashed Bama 42-21 in Birmingham in 1970 the Tide chose to end athletic apartheid. Bryant is credited with setting up the game, perhaps knowing he would get whipped. Alabama was coming off at 6-5 season and USC was a preseason title contender. USC was fully integrated, with a black QB and stars like Clarence Davis and Sam Cunningham.

The Showtime documentary Against The Tide is one recollection.

The Integration of College Football Didn't Happen in One Game - The Atlantic

The Alabama USC story is one of my favorites in College football bc it tells you everything about how these athletes are viewed by some in the SEC. Bryant only accepted integration bc he realized it was his best chance to win fb games. Not bc it was the right thing to do.

Bama fans like to tell a revisionist tale of the game these days that says Bryant knew what he was doing by purposely playing USC and that seeing a player like Sam Cunningham up close would be the only way the good ol boys would accept black players. It's a tall tale. Bryant would've loved nothing more than to shut him down and not have to integrate.

After the game, Bryant (allegedly) said something to the effect of : "well, I guess we gotta get a ni**er, too."

I have never read your Bryant quote anywhere else. He wanted to integrate the team for some time but Alabama boosters and administration blocked it, not too mention Governor George Wallace.

It's a disputed quote. Some say he said it. Others attribute it to boosters or fans.

In the interest of fairness, Bryant already had 1 black player on the team at the time of the game, and later (allegedly) said Cunningham had done more for intergration in 60 mins than mlk did in 20 years (idk bout that).

 

[TemplarCane]

I dont get it either.

But, on the other hand, racist *** Bear Bryant did more for school integration in the South than any politician.

Nick Saban owns the state and would end any funny business before it could even get rolling (no pun intended).

Wasn't Alabama the last team in the SEC to end desegregation?

It wasn't until USC thrashed Bama 42-21 in Birmingham in 1970 the Tide chose to end athletic apartheid. Bryant is credited with setting up the game, perhaps knowing he would get whipped. Alabama was coming off at 6-5 season and USC was a preseason title contender. USC was fully integrated, with a black QB and stars like Clarence Davis and Sam Cunningham.

The Showtime documentary Against The Tide is one recollection.

The Integration of College Football Didn't Happen in One Game - The Atlantic

The Alabama USC story is one of my favorites in College football bc it tells you everything about how these athletes are viewed by some in the SEC. Bryant only accepted integration bc he realized it was his best chance to win fb games. Not bc it was the right thing to do.

Bama fans like to tell a revisionist tale of the game these days that says Bryant knew what he was doing by purposely playing USC and that seeing a player like Sam Cunningham up close would be the only way the good ol boys would accept black players. It's a tall tale. Bryant would've loved nothing more than to shut him down and not have to integrate.

After the game, Bryant (allegedly) said something to the effect of : "well, I guess we gotta get a ni**er, too."

I have never read your Bryant quote anywhere else. He wanted to integrate the team for some time but Alabama boosters and administration blocked it, not too mention Governor George Wallace.

It's a disputed quote. Some say he said it. Others attribute it to boosters or fans.

In the interest of fairness, Bryant already had 1 black player on the team at the time of the game, and later (allegedly) said Cunningham had done more for intergration in 60 mins than mlk did in 20 years (idk bout that).

Fair enough.

I have read similar quotes attributed to pro-segregation Alabama fans, boosters and administrators of the era. I think the MLK reference would need to taken in the limited context of intergrating the Alabama football program.

I doubt Bryant would have joined in a civil rights march but he clearly saw the times were 'a-changin'.

 

[BigDikCane]

I remember the good ole days when Jacory had to shut down his twitter account.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

I dont get it either.

But, on the other hand, racist *** Bear Bryant did more for school integration in the South than any politician.

Nick Saban owns the state and would end any funny business before it could even get rolling (no pun intended).

They were way behind the rest of the country (south included) and among the last to integrate, openly opposed for a long time. That's like being the best of the worst, and by that point they were probably going to suffer competitively.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

As a white boy growing up on NW 189th Street in Carol City in the 1970s, I had friends who were African-American, ******, and Ecuadorian and understoood that America was a melting pot. I loved Miami. It was paradise. As an adult in a Trump America I see how far we have to go. I know the Republican loving Cubans will bash me and that is understandable, but Alabama bothers me the most. I see these tie-wearing, white shirt donning, racist from the worst state in the union cheering on their "boys" and claiming superiority above the rest of America. 99% of the fans wouldn't be caught dead at a party with the players from their Crimson Tide team, yet they cheer them on like they are at a **** fight. Maybe I am being over-dramatic, but it is kinda strange that the most racist state in America relishes the fact that their 'boys' rule the world of college football. I hope the kids from the 305/954/561 can see past this hypocrisy and return the U to the glory of the past.

You speak fact and I wholly agree. Racism, Social and workplace oppression is as much a part of America as the stripes on the flag. No place is more dedicated to maintaining as wide a degree of segregation as permitted by law as Alabama. That's not to say The U doesn't have racist or those that embrace racial superiority, but to suggest this post is not of factual basis, is to say Alabama has better beaches that Florida. As an educated AA in touch with educational, social and political atmosphere in that state, I know outside of representing that university on the sports fields, those people despise AA on a level even white outsiders, know and would admit, is extreme. Many of our AA athletes, parents or advisors, either don't know or don't care that their lust for stardom, championships and the NFL is providing the Caretakers and Supporters of the Confederacy the social jubilation and financial gains they would never allow the very same black men toiling on the fields for them. The fact anyone on here would deny people their expression of their own history and experiences is to **** on them and tell them it's raining.

:q3XKXeX:

dope!

 

[Bunker Mentality]

As a white boy growing up on NW 189th Street in Carol City in the 1970s, I had friends who were African-American, ******, and Ecuadorian and understoood that America was a melting pot. I loved Miami. It was paradise. As an adult in a Trump America I see how far we have to go. I know the Republican loving Cubans will bash me and that is understandable, but Alabama bothers me the most. I see these tie-wearing, white shirt donning, racist from the worst state in the union cheering on their "boys" and claiming superiority above the rest of America. 99% of the fans wouldn't be caught dead at a party with the players from their Crimson Tide team, yet they cheer them on like they are at a **** fight. Maybe I am being over-dramatic, but it is kinda strange that the most racist state in America relishes the fact that their 'boys' rule the world of college football. I hope the kids from the 305/954/561 can see past this hypocrisy and return the U to the glory of the past.

So based on what you've seen on TV, you're able to to discern who these people are and with whom they'd associate. You my fellow poRster are the racist. And, no, I am not one of your, "Republican loving Cubans," so you'll have to profile me accordingly. You sit there on your couch judging others you don't like, or those that simply disagree with you along some lines, decrying them as racists or any other label that justifies your disdain. You are what's wrong with America. *******.

out of curiosity, have you spent any time (lived) in the deep south or rural mid-west?

 

[cooks002]

As a white boy growing up on NW 189th Street in Carol City in the 1970s, I had friends who were African-American, ******, and Ecuadorian and understoood that America was a melting pot. I loved Miami. It was paradise. As an adult in a Trump America I see how far we have to go. I know the Republican loving Cubans will bash me and that is understandable, but Alabama bothers me the most. I see these tie-wearing, white shirt donning, racist from the worst state in the union cheering on their "boys" and claiming superiority above the rest of America. 99% of the fans wouldn't be caught dead at a party with the players from their Crimson Tide team, yet they cheer them on like they are at a **** fight. Maybe I am being over-dramatic, but it is kinda strange that the most racist state in America relishes the fact that their 'boys' rule the world of college football. I hope the kids from the 305/954/561 can see past this hypocrisy and return the U to the glory of the past.

Actual quote from a recent team leader: "I don't give a ****, man. I just wanna win and ball out ($) in the L."

Whoever said that is not a leader.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

As a white boy growing up on NW 189th Street in Carol City in the 1970s, I had friends who were African-American, ******, and Ecuadorian and understoood that America was a melting pot. I loved Miami. It was paradise. As an adult in a Trump America I see how far we have to go. I know the Republican loving Cubans will bash me and that is understandable, but Alabama bothers me the most. I see these tie-wearing, white shirt donning, racist from the worst state in the union cheering on their "boys" and claiming superiority above the rest of America. 99% of the fans wouldn't be caught dead at a party with the players from their Crimson Tide team, yet they cheer them on like they are at a **** fight. Maybe I am being over-dramatic, but it is kinda strange that the most racist state in America relishes the fact that their 'boys' rule the world of college football. I hope the kids from the 305/954/561 can see past this hypocrisy and return the U to the glory of the past.

I'm as independent as they come but what's become clear this election cycle is that Libs can stereotype whoever they want and think nothing of it.

What do you mean they can stereotype whoever they want? Like Bannon?

What does Bannon have to do with it? Isn't a bigot a bigot? Not to libs who try to squash any other opinion other than their own and then spew bullsh!t like the opee's comments. You're as much of a problem as the white supremacists if you justify BS generalizations because someone hurt your snowflake feelings.

I agree the concept of one party (or candidate) being more racist than the other is nonsense. But your use of the term "libs" suggests the "opee's comments" reflect a liberal opinion. Is that a generalization you're making? And are you saying the OP's opinion would not come from a republican?

 

[cooks002]

As a white boy growing up on NW 189th Street in Carol City in the 1970s, I had friends who were African-American, ******, and Ecuadorian and understoood that America was a melting pot. I loved Miami. It was paradise. As an adult in a Trump America I see how far we have to go. I know the Republican loving Cubans will bash me and that is understandable, but Alabama bothers me the most. I see these tie-wearing, white shirt donning, racist from the worst state in the union cheering on their "boys" and claiming superiority above the rest of America. 99% of the fans wouldn't be caught dead at a party with the players from their Crimson Tide team, yet they cheer them on like they are at a **** fight. Maybe I am being over-dramatic, but it is kinda strange that the most racist state in America relishes the fact that their 'boys' rule the world of college football. I hope the kids from the 305/954/561 can see past this hypocrisy and return the U to the glory of the past.

You speak fact and I wholly agree. Racism, Social and workplace oppression is as much a part of America as the stripes on the flag. No place is more dedicated to maintaining as wide a degree of segregation as permitted by law as Alabama. That's not to say The U doesn't have racist or those that embrace racial superiority, but to suggest this post is not of factual basis, is to say Alabama has better beaches that Florida. As an educated AA in touch with educational, social and political atmosphere in that state, I know outside of representing that university on the sports fields, those people despise AA on a level even white outsiders, know and would admit, is extreme. Many of our AA athletes, parents or advisors, either don't know or don't care that their lust for stardom, championships and the NFL is providing the Caretakers and Supporters of the Confederacy the social jubilation and financial gains they would never allow the very same black men toiling on the fields for them. The fact anyone on here would deny people their expression of their own history and experiences is to **** on them and tell them it's raining.

As someone who lives in Tuscaloosa and works at The University of Alabama I can attest to some of the things said in the OP. The funny thing from what I hear is that football players are granted access to these elitist parties where a normal person of color would be excluded or possibly threatened in some way. This really has nothing to do with the product on the field as obviously they are light years better than Miami at this point, however I don't really get how parents send their kids to these schools.

 

[WestGaCane]

The word. RACIST is being tossed around so much these days that it kinda holds no water any more.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

As a white boy growing up on NW 189th Street in Carol City in the 1970s, I had friends who were African-American, ******, and Ecuadorian and understoood that America was a melting pot. I loved Miami. It was paradise. As an adult in a Trump America I see how far we have to go. I know the Republican loving Cubans will bash me and that is understandable, but Alabama bothers me the most. I see these tie-wearing, white shirt donning, racist from the worst state in the union cheering on their "boys" and claiming superiority above the rest of America. 99% of the fans wouldn't be caught dead at a party with the players from their Crimson Tide team, yet they cheer them on like they are at a **** fight. Maybe I am being over-dramatic, but it is kinda strange that the most racist state in America relishes the fact that their 'boys' rule the world of college football. I hope the kids from the 305/954/561 can see past this hypocrisy and return the U to the glory of the past.

I thought this was a message board for the Canes?

Right. In line with that premise, OP makes a point that local kids should stay home and become Canes, while highlighting the irony of local black kids flocking to one of, if not the most racist state in the union.

As a result, cane fans and people with zero ties to the state of Alabama, who probably couldn't point to it on a map, are incensed because OP believes there are racist in the stands cheering for black athletes they wouldn't want joining them at a family dinner.

I said it before and i'll say it again. If you're not racist or personally from the state of Alabama, then you shouldn't feel provoked to dispute anything the OP said. Why white men take offense to the concept that there may be racists or bigots in the stands at the University of Alabama is beyond me.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

The word. RACIST is being tossed around so much these days that it kinda holds no water any more.

in the mainstream, no. Most people don't even understand the concept.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

We're all canes fans, let's keep it at that. Plenty of other places to talk about this stuff, only one to talk about canes.

:q3XKXeX:

see post #95

 

[Moro]

No matter your skin color. If you live anywhere on this planet where a persons basic human rights; freedom, justice and equality are denied and you don't speak up and stand up against those that opposed that right; you are just as guilty of being a racist as those that are on the front line publicly denying those people of their right. This includes those apart of that race as well as those outside that race. Being silent makes you just as guilty; looking the other way makes you just as guilty; fleeing your own country and leaving others behind makes you just as guilty; and having a few friends of the victimized race for your conscious therapy but still afraid to speak up and stand up makes you just as guilty. These kinds of people are in existence throughout the Canes fan base as well as others. So clean your own house up before you try to clean others or try to tell someone that their house needs cleaning!

 

[daytonacane]

Plus, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to get into Alabama (or FSU).

 

[LuCane]

As a white boy growing up on NW 189th Street in Carol City in the 1970s, I had friends who were African-American, ******, and Ecuadorian and understoood that America was a melting pot. I loved Miami. It was paradise. As an adult in a Trump America I see how far we have to go. I know the Republican loving Cubans will bash me and that is understandable, but Alabama bothers me the most. I see these tie-wearing, white shirt donning, racist from the worst state in the union cheering on their "boys" and claiming superiority above the rest of America. 99% of the fans wouldn't be caught dead at a party with the players from their Crimson Tide team, yet they cheer them on like they are at a **** fight. Maybe I am being over-dramatic, but it is kinda strange that the most racist state in America relishes the fact that their 'boys' rule the world of college football. I hope the kids from the 305/954/561 can see past this hypocrisy and return the U to the glory of the past.

Actual quote from a recent team leader: "I don't give a ****, man. I just wanna win and ball out ($) in the L."

Whoever said that is not a leader.

You don't know the context. He was asked how he felt about Golden's binder and the "motivation" tactics.