Al Golden Press Conference 8/28

[crossover22[]_[]]

Weown. Just wow.

Golden has recruited way better talent then randy. No comparison.

 

[rudebuddha]

Bull****. He's had the same trajectory at UM that Randy Shannon has. He's fielded some of the worst defenses in Miami history, and has ONE win at UM against a team with 8 or more wins. So yes, there's plenty of reasons to think he won't win big here.

This is only part of the story. AG has recruited far better than Randy did. Randy signed the 2008 class, quit recruiting, and then watched his dream class, for the most part, do absolutely nothing. AG, instead of losing momentum, seems to be building it. There's a much different vibe around the program now than there was going into Randy's 4th year. If I'm the only one feeling that vibe, so be it.

He's recruited about the same. Golden couldn't even recruit over guys like AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers, Jimmy Gaines, or Shayon Greene, so cool it with the "AG has recruited better" stuff. It's not backed up by fact.

Going into Randy's fourth year, UM was a top 12 team with a positive outlook for the season. We're unranked right now going into Golden's fourth year. I like some things Golden has done this offseason, particularly recruiting, but the "vibe" stuff is revisionist history.

What's revisionist is you, and people like you, speaking about Golden's tenure as if it was an ideal situation.
Shannon left this program in a dumpster, and his ignorance and sheer stupidity almost caused this program to cease to exist.

We were a laughingstock in college football, and an NFL joke when Golden took over. We were also pretty much shut out of the best recruiting area in the country thanks to Shannon's myopia.

The reason Golden has great national respect amongst his peers, even if a few local morons belittle him, is because he has done quite a bit with very little, in the worst imaginable situation for a head coach.

1, the bolded is horrendously wrong because it was Shannon that tried his best to get Nevin out of the program. He even threatened to suspend players and fire coaches if he caught them associating with Shapiro.

Two, my post has nothing to do with whether Golden inherited an "ideal" situation. That's nothing but a red herring by you. I pointed out that Golden has done basically the same thing as Shannon so far, and there's no reason to assume that Golden will "win big" yet. That's it. You guys constantly bring up all this other BS to make excuses for Golden, but none of that explains why we should assume that Golden is going to win big.

Golden has done the exact opposite of Shannon.
Shannon alienated ever high school coach, except it seems a few whom he knew from his hood.
Golden has successfully rebuilt those bridges Shannon burned.

Shannon's idea of training and diet led us to being laughed at by NFL guys like Alonzo Highsmith.
Golden's S & C program and emphasis on good diet versus Shannon's KFC training table, has NFL personnel looking at Miami as a scouting destination again, instead of a vacation spot.

The reason Golden will win very big here is pretty evident when you look at the players.
Look at our 2nd, 3rd and 4th year players.
They have all gotten better each year.
We don't have any bad apples, ala Ray Ray, anymore. Our best players seem to be our hardest workers, and that speaks to, not just individual, but team character.
When everyone on your 2 deep is talented, has worked as hard as possible for self and team improvement, has studied to thoroughly grasp the play book, and most importantly are all pulling on the same oar, then you have a very dangerous team.

The haters always say, "Well, win big and then we will see."
Last year we beat a ranked Gator team, now the revisionists, like yourself, say they sucked.
At the time we beat them they were a top 20 team.

Seems like you guys are only looking for the negatives, while the positives are all around.


Here's a positive you all forget.

Golden is locked into Miami for the long haul. Hate all you want, but he isn't going anywhere for the next 5 years.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

In year four, everything Randy built fell apart. It was a house made of straw.
In year four, Golden has the program advancing with future classes getting even stronger.

Yes, the records are pretty much the same. However, doesn't that say something that Golden's record is slightly better under investigation and losing basically the only talent left behind to either the NFL early or off field problems?

 

[weownfsu]

This is only part of the story. AG has recruited far better than Randy did. Randy signed the 2008 class, quit recruiting, and then watched his dream class, for the most part, do absolutely nothing. AG, instead of losing momentum, seems to be building it. There's a much different vibe around the program now than there was going into Randy's 4th year. If I'm the only one feeling that vibe, so be it.

He's recruited about the same. Golden couldn't even recruit over guys like AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers, Jimmy Gaines, or Shayon Greene, so cool it with the "AG has recruited better" stuff. It's not backed up by fact.

Going into Randy's fourth year, UM was a top 12 team with a positive outlook for the season. We're unranked right now going into Golden's fourth year. I like some things Golden has done this offseason, particularly recruiting, but the "vibe" stuff is revisionist history.

What's revisionist is you, and people like you, speaking about Golden's tenure as if it was an ideal situation.
Shannon left this program in a dumpster, and his ignorance and sheer stupidity almost caused this program to cease to exist.

We were a laughingstock in college football, and an NFL joke when Golden took over. We were also pretty much shut out of the best recruiting area in the country thanks to Shannon's myopia.

The reason Golden has great national respect amongst his peers, even if a few local morons belittle him, is because he has done quite a bit with very little, in the worst imaginable situation for a head coach.

1, the bolded is horrendously wrong because it was Shannon that tried his best to get Nevin out of the program. He even threatened to suspend players and fire coaches if he caught them associating with Shapiro.

Two, my post has nothing to do with whether Golden inherited an "ideal" situation. That's nothing but a red herring by you. I pointed out that Golden has done basically the same thing as Shannon so far, and there's no reason to assume that Golden will "win big" yet. That's it. You guys constantly bring up all this other BS to make excuses for Golden, but none of that explains why we should assume that Golden is going to win big.

Golden has done the exact opposite of Shannon.
Shannon alienated ever high school coach, except it seems a few whom he knew from his hood.
Golden has successfully rebuilt those bridges Shannon burned.

Shannon's idea of training and diet led us to being laughed at by NFL guys like Alonzo Highsmith.
Golden's S & C program and emphasis on good diet versus Shannon's KFC training table, has NFL personnel looking at Miami as a scouting destination again, instead of a vacation spot.

The reason Golden will win very big here is pretty evident when you look at the players.
Look at our 2nd, 3rd and 4th year players.
They have all gotten better each year.
We don't have any bad apples, ala Ray Ray, anymore. Our best players seem to be our hardest workers, and that speaks to, not just individual, but team character.
When everyone on your 2 deep is talented, has worked as hard as possible for self and team improvement, has studied to thoroughly grasp the play book, and most importantly are all pulling on the same oar, then you have a very dangerous team.

The haters always say, "Well, win big and then we will see."
Last year we beat a ranked Gator team, now the revisionists, like yourself, say they sucked.
At the time we beat them they were a top 20 team.

Seems like you guys are only looking for the negatives, while the positives are all around.


Here's a positive you all forget.

Golden is locked into Miami for the long haul. Hate all you want, but he isn't going anywhere for the next 5 years.

Revisionists? UF did suck. They were a 4-8 team that lost to an FCS team who did not even complete a pass in the game. I don't think you know what the word "revisionist" means. Beating a 4-8 UF team is not "winning big." And it doesn't mean anything when you blow multiple chances to win your side of the ACC, AGAIN.

That whole word salad is nice, but it doesn't explain why I'm supposed to think a guy who has fielded the worst D's in UM history, regularly gets beat down against good teams, and cannot beat teams with 8 or more wins is going to win big here.

 

[supacane]

This season will say it all. After 4 years everyone on the team should know what is expected. If we still look lost on D and all the same dumb ****. Golden is never succeeding here. We have guys who have been here 4 full here's some 4 and a half who got in early. Duke ' s class are JRs, guys from the following class who came in early are basically Jr's as well, if he can't bust some heads with these guys, just give up telling us to wait. We want to see marked improvement.

 

[weownfsu]

Weown. Just wow.

Golden has recruited way better talent then randy. No comparison.

Our 2010 team had very similar talent to our 2014 team, and probably more proven defensive talent.

 

[rsa coral gables]

I detest Shannon as a coach but at least Randy never left us hanging right before signing day while he was out trying to find another job

context is everything. UM knew about the investigation before it hired Golden and it chose not to tell Golden about it when it interviewed and hired Golden. They royally screwed him without any lube, hence why they extended his contract through 2019 or so (if not later). so when his alma mater came flirting, he probably felt ZERO loyalty to his employer and went awol while he hoped he would get an offer that apparently never came.

 

[bomb]

I detest Shannon as a coach but at least Randy never left us hanging right before signing day while he was out trying to find another job

context is everything. UM knew about the investigation before it hired Golden and it chose not to tell Golden about it when it interviewed and hired Golden. They royally screwed him without any lube, hence why they extended his contract through 2019 or so (if not later). so when his alma mater came flirting, he probably felt ZERO loyalty to his employer and went awol while he hoped he would get an offer that apparently never came.

A guys home school is always going to be a threat. That's reality. As it should be. I'm sure we all think that if a UM alum was coaching somewhere else in D1, all we'd have to do is ask and he'd come. We'd demand loyalty. But everyone here is self-entitled. You can't have it both ways. Instead of being butthurt, we should all be glad we survived it, and keep building this thing up.

 

[weownfsu]

bomb, please don't post content copied and pasted directly from other pay sites. Thanks!

 

[KevinCaneFace]

I detest Shannon as a coach but at least Randy never left us hanging right before signing day while he was out trying to find another job

context is everything. UM knew about the investigation before it hired Golden and it chose not to tell Golden about it when it interviewed and hired Golden. They royally screwed him without any lube, hence why they extended his contract through 2019 or so (if not later). so when his alma mater came flirting, he probably felt ZERO loyalty to his employer and went awol while he hoped he would get an offer that apparently never came.

Plus, most Miami fans are a little butthurt over the Penn State deal. If your Alma mater wants to talk to you, you listen. Most coaches would have lied and said they aren't interested. Golden stayed quiet. Everything you said plus the fact that going back home probably had a much nicer check attached to it, Cane fans should get over it. We would listened to a job offer with potentially another million or two as well.

 

[bomb]

bomb, please don't post content copied and pasted directly from other pay sites. Thanks!

I've no idea what you're referring to. I wrote every word of that on my Commodore 64. Please stop trying to restrict what your fellow Canes fans have access to and stop picking on our staff and team for no reasons. We have a whole cow college to the North for that. Thanks!

 

[thebutcher]

Guy will become a legend here if he can get his **** together and win the man is very likable and is a **** of a CEO for our program

there's no reason to think he won't win big here as he has improved the win total every year and last year especially we would of won 1-2 more if DUke and Dorsett hadn't gone down . **** even the much maligned D got better last year . Not near good enough but better . if we can have a top 40 D we can be a top 10 team as the RB , WR and TE positions are loaded and Kaaya is a star in the making .

Bull****. He's had the same trajectory at UM that Randy Shannon has. He's fielded some of the worst defenses in Miami history, and has ONE win at UM against a team with 8 or more wins. So yes, there's plenty of reasons to think he won't win big here.

This is only part of the story. AG has recruited far better than Randy did. Randy signed the 2008 class, quit recruiting, and then watched his dream class, for the most part, do absolutely nothing. AG, instead of losing momentum, seems to be building it. There's a much different vibe around the program now than there was going into Randy's 4th year. If I'm the only one feeling that vibe, so be it.

Probably 1 of 3 things you've posted in the last 5 years I've agreed with. I can't think of any others but I feel like 2 is a safe bet

 

[Angry Ibis]

Weown. Just wow.

Golden has recruited way better talent then randy. No comparison.

Our 2010 team had very similar talent to our 2014 team, and probably more proven defensive talent.

Does he lose points for the players that missed games due to recruiting violations?

Golden has recruited better IMO while also dealing with a more difficult situation: 4 years further into irrelevance, suspended players, local race card, NCAA

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

In year four, everything Randy built fell apart. It was a house made of straw.
In year four, Golden has the program advancing with future classes getting even stronger.

Yes, the records are pretty much the same. However, doesn't that say something that Golden's record is slightly better under investigation and losing basically the only talent left behind to either the NFL early or off field problems?

No it doesn't....you're not even factoring in Golden being the beneficiary of a really easy schedule last year.

Bottom line, we've had 3 bad coaching staffs in a row. To say something like "Golden has the program advancing" is a baseless statement at this point.

This is year 4. His players. His scheme. His everything. If we don't win the Coastal and show dramatic improvement on defense he should be Fired. Not put on the hot seat, not the recipient of extra scrutiny, not a change in the staff around him.

Fired. He's underachieved during his time here and wet the bed against any semblance of competition he's encountered to this point.

1-11 against opponents with 7 or more wins during his first 3 years here. That's a drop the mic and walk away kinda stat.

 

[sebastian91]

He's recruited about the same. Golden couldn't even recruit over guys like AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers, Jimmy Gaines, or Shayon Greene, so cool it with the "AG has recruited better" stuff. It's not backed up by fact.

Going into Randy's fourth year, UM was a top 12 team with a positive outlook for the season. We're unranked right now going into Golden's fourth year. I like some things Golden has done this offseason, particularly recruiting, but the "vibe" stuff is revisionist history.

I don't care what it's backed up by. AG has recruited better athletes than Randy did. He hasn't been perfect (DT), but I feel far better about the program and the direction it's heading now than I did going into Randy's 4th year. Lulz at looking at preseason ranking to determine the vibe...smh.

Yeah, I agree, the national perception on where our program is headed and the expectations on how good our team would be going into the 2010 season have no bearing on the "vibe." Instead we should just consult you for the "vibe." Of course you don't care what it's backed up by, you have your opinions that aren't based on anything and you'll stick to them regardless of how wrong you are.

There's room on other bandwagons. Find one and hop on.

 

[weownfsu]

He's recruited about the same. Golden couldn't even recruit over guys like AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers, Jimmy Gaines, or Shayon Greene, so cool it with the "AG has recruited better" stuff. It's not backed up by fact.

Going into Randy's fourth year, UM was a top 12 team with a positive outlook for the season. We're unranked right now going into Golden's fourth year. I like some things Golden has done this offseason, particularly recruiting, but the "vibe" stuff is revisionist history.

I don't care what it's backed up by. AG has recruited better athletes than Randy did. He hasn't been perfect (DT), but I feel far better about the program and the direction it's heading now than I did going into Randy's 4th year. Lulz at looking at preseason ranking to determine the vibe...smh.

Yeah, I agree, the national perception on where our program is headed and the expectations on how good our team would be going into the 2010 season have no bearing on the "vibe." Instead we should just consult you for the "vibe." Of course you don't care what it's backed up by, you have your opinions that aren't based on anything and you'll stick to them regardless of how wrong you are.

There's room on other bandwagons. Find one and hop on.

Where do I report for CaneCard de-activation?

 

[rudebuddha]

He's recruited about the same. Golden couldn't even recruit over guys like AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers, Jimmy Gaines, or Shayon Greene, so cool it with the "AG has recruited better" stuff. It's not backed up by fact.

Going into Randy's fourth year, UM was a top 12 team with a positive outlook for the season. We're unranked right now going into Golden's fourth year. I like some things Golden has done this offseason, particularly recruiting, but the "vibe" stuff is revisionist history.

What's revisionist is you, and people like you, speaking about Golden's tenure as if it was an ideal situation.
Shannon left this program in a dumpster, and his ignorance and sheer stupidity almost caused this program to cease to exist.

We were a laughingstock in college football, and an NFL joke when Golden took over. We were also pretty much shut out of the best recruiting area in the country thanks to Shannon's myopia.

The reason Golden has great national respect amongst his peers, even if a few local morons belittle him, is because he has done quite a bit with very little, in the worst imaginable situation for a head coach.

1, the bolded is horrendously wrong because it was Shannon that tried his best to get Nevin out of the program. He even threatened to suspend players and fire coaches if he caught them associating with Shapiro.

Two, my post has nothing to do with whether Golden inherited an "ideal" situation. That's nothing but a red herring by you. I pointed out that Golden has done basically the same thing as Shannon so far, and there's no reason to assume that Golden will "win big" yet. That's it. You guys constantly bring up all this other BS to make excuses for Golden, but none of that explains why we should assume that Golden is going to win big.

Golden has done the exact opposite of Shannon.
Shannon alienated ever high school coach, except it seems a few whom he knew from his hood.
Golden has successfully rebuilt those bridges Shannon burned.

Shannon's idea of training and diet led us to being laughed at by NFL guys like Alonzo Highsmith.
Golden's S & C program and emphasis on good diet versus Shannon's KFC training table, has NFL personnel looking at Miami as a scouting destination again, instead of a vacation spot.

The reason Golden will win very big here is pretty evident when you look at the players.
Look at our 2nd, 3rd and 4th year players.
They have all gotten better each year.
We don't have any bad apples, ala Ray Ray, anymore. Our best players seem to be our hardest workers, and that speaks to, not just individual, but team character.
When everyone on your 2 deep is talented, has worked as hard as possible for self and team improvement, has studied to thoroughly grasp the play book, and most importantly are all pulling on the same oar, then you have a very dangerous team.

The haters always say, "Well, win big and then we will see."
Last year we beat a ranked Gator team, now the revisionists, like yourself, say they sucked.
At the time we beat them they were a top 20 team.

Seems like you guys are only looking for the negatives, while the positives are all around.


Here's a positive you all forget.

Golden is locked into Miami for the long haul. Hate all you want, but he isn't going anywhere for the next 5 years.

Revisionists? UF did suck. They were a 4-8 team that lost to an FCS team who did not even complete a pass in the game. I don't think you know what the word "revisionist" means. Beating a 4-8 UF team is not "winning big." And it doesn't mean anything when you blow multiple chances to win your side of the ACC, AGAIN.

That whole word salad is nice, but it doesn't explain why I'm supposed to think a guy who has fielded the worst D's in UM history, regularly gets beat down against good teams, and cannot beat teams with 8 or more wins is going to win big here.

Florida wasn't 4-8 when we beat them.
I may be wrong about this, but I think they were ranked 12th.

Talking about defenses. I can't deny our defenses have been bad the past 2 years.
You can't deny that. We've played players that had no business playing, due to lack of experience, lack of talent or both.

It's pretty obvious to even the most negative doubter that our defensive players this year are significantly different and better than the past 2 years combined.

Concerning defenses, I think we and all of college football, better get used to giving up yards on defense. The spread offense is still a scheme that most of college football cannot defeat completely.

This era of college football is not like the 80's or the 90's. It's an offensive era, and defenses have not adapted.

That said, what we've presented the past couple years on defense was a disgrace, but understandable.
We've played 10 schollies down, which is more than 10%, the past couple years in the hope that self imposed scholly reductions would lessen the butt reaming we knew was coming.
We also weren't able to recruit the 1st couple of years under Golden. Yes, we signed some studs who were born Canes, but the majority of Golden's classes were guys who said yes.
NCAA issues that severely hindered recruiting were obvious last year, When our franchise player goes down last year, and his replacement was a converted safety. 7-0 with Duke and ranked in the top 10 last year. 2-4 without him.
Hard to have the depth you need to truly compete when you play minus 12% of the scholarship players as your opponents.

You guys act like we've been a .500 team for 3 years.
You seem to neglect the fact that we've gone 6-6, 7-5 and 9-4.

That's a progression not a regression.

Expect a continued progression this year.

 

[sebastian91]

Let me put something into perspective. Al Golden has more commitments for the class of 2016 than Randy had for the upcoming class, 2 months away. That is all you need to know about direction.

Randy had one official visit set up....2 months before signing day...to go along with all of those commits. But, yeah,, AG is recruiting the same as Randy did.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

He's recruited about the same. Golden couldn't even recruit over guys like AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers, Jimmy Gaines, or Shayon Greene, so cool it with the "AG has recruited better" stuff. It's not backed up by fact.

Going into Randy's fourth year, UM was a top 12 team with a positive outlook for the season. We're unranked right now going into Golden's fourth year. I like some things Golden has done this offseason, particularly recruiting, but the "vibe" stuff is revisionist history.

I don't care what it's backed up by. AG has recruited better athletes than Randy did. He hasn't been perfect (DT), but I feel far better about the program and the direction it's heading now than I did going into Randy's 4th year. Lulz at looking at preseason ranking to determine the vibe...smh.

Yeah, I agree, the national perception on where our program is headed and the expectations on how good our team would be going into the 2010 season have no bearing on the "vibe." Instead we should just consult you for the "vibe." Of course you don't care what it's backed up by, you have your opinions that aren't based on anything and you'll stick to them regardless of how wrong you are.

There's room on other bandwagons. Find one and hop on.

Where do I report for CaneCard de-activation?

Report to 560 WQAM. Ask for Don or Joe.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Bull****. He's had the same trajectory at UM that Randy Shannon has. He's fielded some of the worst defenses in Miami history, and has ONE win at UM against a team with 8 or more wins. So yes, there's plenty of reasons to think he won't win big here.

This is only part of the story. AG has recruited far better than Randy did. Randy signed the 2008 class, quit recruiting, and then watched his dream class, for the most part, do absolutely nothing. AG, instead of losing momentum, seems to be building it. There's a much different vibe around the program now than there was going into Randy's 4th year. If I'm the only one feeling that vibe, so be it.

He's recruited about the same. Golden couldn't even recruit over guys like AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers, Jimmy Gaines, or Shayon Greene, so cool it with the "AG has recruited better" stuff. It's not backed up by fact.

Going into Randy's fourth year, UM was a top 12 team with a positive outlook for the season. We're unranked right now going into Golden's fourth year. I like some things Golden has done this offseason, particularly recruiting, but the "vibe" stuff is revisionist history.

What's revisionist is you, and people like you, speaking about Golden's tenure as if it was an ideal situation.
Shannon left this program in a dumpster, and his ignorance and sheer stupidity almost caused this program to cease to exist.

We were a laughingstock in college football, and an NFL joke when Golden took over. We were also pretty much shut out of the best recruiting area in the country thanks to Shannon's myopia.

The reason Golden has great national respect amongst his peers, even if a few local morons belittle him, is because he has done quite a bit with very little, in the worst imaginable situation for a head coach.

Shannon was garbage as a head coach and while I concede Golden is a better recruiter and relationship builder, it hasn't translated to **** on the field, which is all that matters at the end of the day.

The majority of this porst speaks to "vibe," "feel," and just about anything else other than on-field results.

Say whatever you want about the way Randy left this team: There is no excuse, even with the personnel Golden has been dealt, to field defenses this poorly and underachieve against so many mediocre teams.

It's also pretty funny how we were a "laughingstock in college football" when Golden took over, yet FSU fans were laughing their asses off in celebration after Golden didn't get PSU job.

Take into account the way the season ended, the fact more and more fans are cognizant of the **** defenses we have field, all combined with the PSU fiasco and we're still a laughingstock. The only way this will change is producing on the field.

4 losses last year. Their combined record? 44-10. That's not mediocrity, my friend. And if you wanna bring up opponents from years past, that just goes to show the positive direction this program is going.

Are we beating absolutely every team we should beat? No. But we are not losing to mediocre opponents anymore.