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[zone3cane]

lol this is a hilarious issue.... the fact is that a poor pathetic defense effects an offense more then a poor offense effects a defense.

I remember when I said that a few weeks ago and the Dorito supporters were trying to play me like i was crazy..... those same Dorito supporters are the ones who have since thrown him under the bus and are now just protecting Golden at all cost.

The **** has already been proven.....

the Ravens won the 1st ****n SuperBowl on defense **** near alone.

LSU has been a top 10 team for years w/ just having an elite defense carrying an average offense.

Michigan State's defense is the reason why they are in position to win the Big 10 average offense.

There is also proof that no matter how explosive ur offense is, you cant win anything if ur defense is weak.... Texas aTm is the perfect example.

With that said Miami's offense has been at the minimum above average this season and last season if the defense was just average we wouldve won the Coastal this year w/ only 1 loss to FSU.

If Miami had an elite defense w/ the offense we had this year.... the Miami/FSU game wouldve been a toss up game.

GTFOH w/ the bull****, this defense and coaching is 100% to blame for this teams problems.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Zone are ***ing retarded?
In the examples you cited, their defenses WERE THE STRENGTH OF THEIR TEAM AND CARRIED THE TEAM/
Are you saying that the DEFENSE was the strength of this team and should have carried the offense you MONGOLOID?

 

[zone3cane]

Zone are ***ing retarded?
In the examples you cited, their defenses WERE THE STRENGTH OF THEIR TEAM AND CARRIED THE TEAM/
Are you saying that the DEFENSE was the strength of this team and should have carried the offense you MONGOLOID?

Lol maybe u need to check to see if ur the one retarded if that's what u got out of my post.... i know ur not that dumb so i'll just take ur response as u realizing how stupid u have been coming off this thread.

the point is like i said Miami's offense was good enough the problem was this pathetic defense and then i gave yo dumb *** reasons why no matter how explosive an offense is (Texas aTm) you aint winning **** if ur defense is pathetic....

Before that i gave you examples of no matter how average or even below average an offense is, a team can still dominate if their defense is elite.... and Miami's offense has been better then average the last 2 seasons.

Try to do the Math as slowly as possible....

Matter of Fact, Just Let It Go.... You Have Failed In This Thread.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Zone are ***ing retarded?
In the examples you cited, their defenses WERE THE STRENGTH OF THEIR TEAM AND CARRIED THE TEAM/
Are you saying that the DEFENSE was the strength of this team and should have carried the offense you MONGOLOID?

Lol maybe u need to check to see if ur the one retarded if that's what u got out of my post.... i know ur not that dumb so i'll just take ur response as u realizing how stupid u have been coming off this thread.

the point is like i said Miami's offense was good enough the problem was this pathetic defense and then i gave yo dumb *** reasons why no matter how explosive an offense is (Texas aTm) you aint winning **** if ur defense is pathetic....

Before that i gave you examples of no matter how average or even below average an offense is, a team can still dominate if their defense is elite.... and Miami's offense has been better then average the last 2 seasons.

Try to do the Math as slowly as possible....

Matter of Fact, Just Let It Go.... You Have Failed In This Thread.

zone, do you really think this defense was capable of ever being "ELITE"?
I didn't think so either..
So why on earth would you cite examples of ELITE defenses carrying their teeams with an average or below average offense?
which wasn't even the case here since this offense was supposed to "ELITE" considering the talent and experience they had.

 

[L A M P]

They also would have been able to score more points if they had more opportunities.

The defense caused 27 Turnovers. That was top 10 nationally

Seems like a lot of opportunities to me.

 

[DaU83]

They also would have been able to score more points if they had more opportunities.

The defense caused 27 Turnovers. That was top 10 nationally

Seems like a lot of opportunities to me.

19 of those were in 5 games .. that means we averaged a bit over 1 per game for the other 7.. that's basically 1 more opportunity .. per game, not really a lot.

 

[sebastian91]

Zone are ***ing retarded?
In the examples you cited, their defenses WERE THE STRENGTH OF THEIR TEAM AND CARRIED THE TEAM/
Are you saying that the DEFENSE was the strength of this team and should have carried the offense you MONGOLOID?

Lol maybe u need to check to see if ur the one retarded if that's what u got out of my post.... i know ur not that dumb so i'll just take ur response as u realizing how stupid u have been coming off this thread.

the point is like i said Miami's offense was good enough the problem was this pathetic defense and then i gave yo dumb *** reasons why no matter how explosive an offense is (Texas aTm) you aint winning **** if ur defense is pathetic....

Before that i gave you examples of no matter how average or even below average an offense is, a team can still dominate if their defense is elite.... and Miami's offense has been better then average the last 2 seasons.

Try to do the Math as slowly as possible....

Matter of Fact, Just Let It Go.... You Have Failed In This Thread.

Everyone knows that an elite defense can carry a team...duh. We don't have an elite defense. We don't even have an average defense. None of that changes the fact that the offense underperformed for their talent and experience. 33% on 3rd down conversions in the last 4 ACC games. Has that sunk in yet?

 

[Mico Jones]

They also would have been able to score more points if they had more opportunities.

The defense caused 27 Turnovers. That was top 10 nationally

Seems like a lot of opportunities to me.

They also would have been able to score more points if they had more opportunities.

The defense caused 27 Turnovers. That was top 10 nationally

Seems like a lot of opportunities to me.

And they did that's why they were the 25th scoring offense in college football.

The majority of those turnovers were in the first 4 to 6 games.

Cut the Bullsh*t already.

You fools continuing to deflect blame off of the defense and Corch No D' Ofrio are getting more ridiculous by the hour. You are nothing but apologists.

The fact is that we had an ACC championship caliber offense that could have won 11 games with the current schedule if not for another of the worst defenses in University of Miami history.

The offense was productive and explosive DESPITE a very inconsistent QB that has trouble making read progressions, the loss of its best WR for 6 games and its best RB for 4, and a first year coordinator implementing his own style.

If the defense performed only marginally better in the 50s in total defense instead of the 70 pluses this team would have been in the ACC ship.

So I will shut you the fu*k up once in for all.

Miami was 38th out of 120 plus NCAA teams in punts per offensive score. Meaning Miami did a pretty good job of being productive with its posessions.

Furthermore, Miami is ranked 14th in Team offensive efficiency. "OFFENSE: Offensive efficiency in terms of Expected Points Added per game by offense, adjusted for strength of opposing defenses faced."

http://espn.go.com/college-football...e-football-metric-total-offense-total-defense

Whereas, the defense was 94th in Opponents First downs per game & 106th in Opponents 3rd down conversion.

So enough with the hypocrisy of criticizing the offense for having some 3 and outs yet being highly productive when our defense was one of the absolute worst in allowing our opponents to convert their 3rd downs and keeping our offense off of the field.

 

[sebastian91]

33% on 3rd downs over the last 4 ACC games. Apparently that hasn't sunk in yet. And, yep, the defense sucked, too.

 

[JackOAT]

33% on 3rd downs over the last 4 ACC games. Apparently that hasn't sunk in yet. And, yep, the defense sucked, too.

without its top playmakers....what's the defense's excuse?


funny that you only took into account the games where Duke and Dorsett were missing. kind of an important fact to overlook

 

[sebastian91]

33% on 3rd downs over the last 4 ACC games. Apparently that hasn't sunk in yet. And, yep, the defense sucked, too.

without its top playmakers....what's the defense's excuse?


funny that you only took into account the games where Duke and Dorsett were missing. kind of an important fact to overlook

The offense wasn't much better in the first 4 ACC games either. 44% on 3rd downs (better), 4 turnovers each against GT and UNC . And, the defense sucked, too, although they did bail out the offense against UNC and Wake. The defense's excuse is that they suck, which everyone knew already.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

33% on 3rd downs over the last 4 ACC games. Apparently that hasn't sunk in yet. And, yep, the defense sucked, too.

without its top playmakers....what's the defense's excuse?


funny that you only took into account the games where Duke and Dorsett were missing. kind of an important fact to overlook

We have NO PLAYMAKERS on Defense.
Even with DUke and Dorsett out, the offense still has better overall talent on offense then the defense does.
So save the No playmakers excuse cause if you gonna use it for the offense well you gonna have to use it for the defense as well..
Thanks for playing.

 

[zone3cane]

LOL Cane Almighty is embarrassing.... he will throw all the players under the bus just so he can have an excuse as to why he continues to except mediocrity from Lord Golden.

The defense is the reason why this team is mediocre, and 100% of the reason is b/c of the coaching staff and Al Golden's delusional philosophies as a HC.... the talent on the defense wouldnt be good enough to be elite, but it's good enough to be good.

 

[Chuckles]

LOL Cane Almighty is embarrassing.... he will throw all the players under the bus just so he can have an excuse as to why he continues to except mediocrity from Lord Golden.

The defense is the reason why this team is mediocre, and 100% of the reason is b/c of the coaching staff and Al Golden's delusional philosophies as a HC.... the talent on the defense wouldnt be good enough to be elite, but it's good enough to be good.

You've said enough, now go away boy you bother me.

 

[sebastian91]

he continues to except mediocrity

LOL

 

[zone3cane]

he continues to except mediocrity

LOL

hahaha i typed "except" instead of "accept" hahahaaaa....

still doesnt change the fact that excuse making Golden and Dorito slurpers like you are the main reason why it will take another 10 years before Miami is an elite program again. smh pathetic

 

[sebastian91]

he continues to except mediocrity

LOL

hahaha i typed "except" instead of "accept" hahahaaaa....

still doesnt change the fact that excuse making Golden and Dorito slurpers like you are the main reason why it will take another 10 years before Miami is an elite program again. smh pathetic

Let me get this straight...IF it takes another 10 years before Miami is elite again (as if you have some sort of freaking crystal ball), it'll be the fault of people porsting on a message board? And that's a fact?

smh pathetic

 

[JackOAT]

33% on 3rd downs over the last 4 ACC games. Apparently that hasn't sunk in yet. And, yep, the defense sucked, too.

without its top playmakers....what's the defense's excuse?


funny that you only took into account the games where Duke and Dorsett were missing. kind of an important fact to overlook

We have NO PLAYMAKERS on Defense.
Even with DUke and Dorsett out, the offense still has better overall talent on offense then the defense does.
So save the No playmakers excuse cause if you gonna use it for the offense well you gonna have to use it for the defense as well..
Thanks for playing.

1) You need to improve your critical thinking and reading comprehension

2) My premise is that the offense lost really important players on which it relied on heavily hence the drop in performance. The D on the other hand was pretty much at full strength all year. (minus the last couple of games where we lost a few players at our deepest position on defense)

3) No playmakers? Tracy, Denzel, LGunter, Rayshawn, ABurns and Tyriq would like a word with you.

4) With regard to the 2-Deep for Pitt the Offense has = 1 5*, 6 4*, 13 3*, 1 2*(according to Rivals). The Defense on the other hand has = 1 5*, 9 4*, 10 3*, and 2 2*(According to Rivals). Mind you 3 of the 6 4* on offense are Malcolm Lewis, Eduardo Clements and Beau Sandland

The idea that the offense has better overall talent only stems from the fact that they look WAY better on the field, because the COACHING places them in situations where they will succeed. It has nothing to do with the fact that they actually possess more players that have more capabilities. At least, that's what you can gather from recruiting rankings. In reality you have nothing to prove that the O has more talent than the D. You're just making that assumption because they look FAR better and my premise is that that has a lot more to do with what the coaches are asking of them than what they're actually capable of doing.

12 of the 22 starters on the 2 Deep are Shannon guys. 8 of them are on the offensive side of the ball only 4 are on D. That means most of the guys on D are Golden's guys. The Offense is looking pretty good with a bunch of holdovers from a failed coaching staff, while the defensive side of the ball is historically bad filled with almost entirely Golden's recruits. That's alarming.

What's more alarming is that you keep blaming all of the defense's failures on just a handful of guys; some that have played well, others that were highly recruited and others that aren't "Miami caliber", yet after year 3 the staff hasn't been able to find guys to supplant the handful of you guys you keep throwing under the bus. Even their highly touted guys like Kirby and Bush are having trouble holding off these "god-awful Shannon players" on D, so what makes you or I think that the talent they're bringing is going fare any better?

Yet, somehow you find this as an indictment on the previous staff and a free pass for the current one and it doesn't make any sense. Some of the arguments in this thread are laughable and it's painfully obvious you guys are trying way too hard to defend the coaching staff. I don't know if its because you like Golden's hair, or his quotes, or his tie, but his D's performance has been way below its capabilities, historically bad, embarrassing for a "defensive coach" and grounds for dismissal of the entire staff AT ANY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY. Why not here?

 

[zone3cane]

he continues to except mediocrity

LOL

hahaha i typed "except" instead of "accept" hahahaaaa....

still doesnt change the fact that excuse making Golden and Dorito slurpers like you are the main reason why it will take another 10 years before Miami is an elite program again. smh pathetic

Let me get this straight...IF it takes another 10 years before Miami is elite again (as if you have some sort of freaking crystal ball), it'll be the fault of people porsting on a message board? And that's a fact?

smh pathetic

no it's the fault of weak Miami fans like you in general who allow an incompetent Head Coach to continue to get one pass after the other only b/c ur attracted to em and he says all the right things.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

33% on 3rd downs over the last 4 ACC games. Apparently that hasn't sunk in yet. And, yep, the defense sucked, too.

without its top playmakers....what's the defense's excuse?


funny that you only took into account the games where Duke and Dorsett were missing. kind of an important fact to overlook

We have NO PLAYMAKERS on Defense.
Even with DUke and Dorsett out, the offense still has better overall talent on offense then the defense does.
So save the No playmakers excuse cause if you gonna use it for the offense well you gonna have to use it for the defense as well..
Thanks for playing.

1) You need to improve your critical thinking and reading comprehension

2) My premise is that the offense lost really important players on which it relied on heavily hence the drop in performance. The D on the other hand was pretty much at full strength all year. (minus the last couple of games where we lost a few players at our deepest position on defense)

3) No playmakers? Tracy, Denzel, LGunter, Rayshawn, ABurns and Tyriq would like a word with you.

4) With regard to the 2-Deep for Pitt the Offense has = 1 5*, 6 4*, 13 3*, 1 2*(according to Rivals). The Defense on the other hand has = 1 5*, 9 4*, 10 3*, and 2 2*(According to Rivals). Mind you 3 of the 6 4* on offense are Malcolm Lewis, Eduardo Clements and Beau Sandland

The idea that the offense has better overall talent only stems from the fact that they look WAY better on the field, because the COACHING places them in situations where they will succeed. It has nothing to do with the fact that they actually possess more players that have more capabilities. At least, that's what you can gather from recruiting rankings. In reality you have nothing to prove that the O has more talent than the D. You're just making that assumption because they look FAR better and my premise is that that has a lot more to do with what the coaches are asking of them than what they're actually capable of doing.

12 of the 22 starters on the 2 Deep are Shannon guys. 8 of them are on the offensive side of the ball only 4 are on D. That means most of the guys on D are Golden's guys. The Offense is looking pretty good with a bunch of holdovers from a failed coaching staff, while the defensive side of the ball is historically bad filled with almost entirely Golden's recruits. That's alarming.

What's more alarming is that you keep blaming all of the defense's failures on just a handful of guys; some that have played well, others that were highly recruited and others that aren't "Miami caliber", yet after year 3 the staff hasn't been able to find guys to supplant the handful of you guys you keep throwing under the bus. Even their highly touted guys like Kirby and Bush are having trouble holding off these "god-awful Shannon players" on D, so what makes you or I think that the talent they're bringing is going fare any better?

Yet, somehow you find this as an indictment on the previous staff and a free pass for the current one and it doesn't make any sense. Some of the arguments in this thread are laughable and it's painfully obvious you guys are trying way too hard to defend the coaching staff. I don't know if its because you like Golden's hair, or his quotes, or his tie, but his D's performance has been way below its capabilities, historically bad, embarrassing for a "defensive coach" and grounds for dismissal of the entire staff AT ANY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY. Why not here?

Is this real life?

The offense HAS MORE TALENT.. WAY MORE TALENT..
This isn't debatable. It has nothing to do with coaches.